Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[fishercob]

He does great work.

But, holy god Jon Givony is annoying.

That droning monotone and the lisp, and the holding the microphone way too close to his face -- you'd think he'd have learned that by now. And would it kill you to actually prepare some questions rather than to try to make it up as you go along?

[truwizfan4evr]

On Draft night does wizards trade one of there forwards? If we draft porter we will have a logjam at the forward position maybe we can trade Jan and Singleton? Most likely they be involved in the deal if we trade are second rounder's.

[LyricalRico]

On Draft night does wizards trade one of there forwards? If we draft porter we will have a logjam at the forward position maybe we can trade Jan and Singleton? Most likely they be involved in the deal if we trade are second rounder's.

I'd deal Jan+Singleton+2nds for the best guard we can find. And that's no matter who we draft.

[hands11]

Well here's the thing, is Cousins inefficient because of bad point guard play? Who's to say he won';t improve and get himself in control with Wall as his point guard?

Probably not. He takes a ton of shots. He averages almost 17 attempts per game for his career as a C...think about that for a moment.

If he only takes good shots and rarely iso's then of course he can be efficient, but if he does that then he's not really the Demarcus Cousins you were expecting. Ideally you want him to be able to dominant in isolation at a high percentage but he's simply been incapable of that. Having John wouldn't help him at all there.

If he stops all of his bad habbits and shoots maybe 12 shots a game as he should then he can have a great percentage, but his stats would probably only be something like 14, 10 and 2 with average to bad defense.

Every aspect of his averages are based off of high volume bad shooting. The high free throw attempts are there because he misses shots, gets boards and gets fouled during the finish, or he's taking so many bad outside shots that guys fall for the fake and foul him on the drive. Rebounds, free throw attempts, essentially everything you want from DMC goes down considerably if he actually plays efficiently.

Not sure I would agree here.

I think a less shooting more efficient shooting Cousins that spend more effort on D would be very valuable. And I think Wall, Beal, Nene, Okafor and Randy can help him become that player. Pts may come down but I expect rebounds to be high. 15 pts and 12-14 rebounds would be awesome with all around good D.

He has to be getting tired of losing. So he will be open to adjusting.

So let the market price on Cousins come down. Establish a winning team here. Then the two coming together will be more ideal.

All he needs to do here is be a younger strong more athletic version of Okafor. That would be perfect.

[hands11]

Yep.

And for all we know Nene finally gets right and our starting frontcourt plays 75+ games each with good numbers.

We have to see how things play out.

New quotes out from Wall reemphasizing the want of a stretch 4.

It's kind of starting to bug me. I don't know if he's a huge fan of Bennett or if he simply has no idea about who's available in this draft and is simply asking for what most penetrate and kick guys would want or what, but I think it sends a mixed message about what he's advocating for. He says he wants vets, but knows our front court is set. He wants a stretch 4, does he want Nene gone? Does he care that much about a stretch 4 coming off the bench?

I just wish he'd go into more detail, specifically if he likes Bennett or not over Porter.

Funny. I wish he would shut up and act like a captain that has his teammates backs.

He has said enough.

That said, I doubt he is asking for Nene to get moved. A S4 off the bench would be fine. They don't need one all the time but its nice to be able to put one in when you do.

[hands11]

I haven't read anything saying Wall wants us to draft a specfic player. I wouldn't worry about what Wall wants at this stage, although he's right about wanting a stretch 4 and a 3rd guard.

The only 4 who has legitimately shown stretch 4 ability is Bennett, so he may as well have simply said it.

I'm starting to think he might be the pick. That in combination with Ernies comments about how he may have chosen the guy at 3 that may have been available at 8, Bennett falls right in line with his and Walls comments.

Thats not true.

But if thats what you want to read into it and it makes you happy till draft day, but all means.

[hands11]

Good post deeptu. While I've been vocal in wanting to see Nene moved because of health reasons, the 2nd best option to me would be to bring Nene off the bench as the 3rd big capable of playing either position. At this stage of his career, Nene can make a living feasting off of backup quality talent, much like he did earlier this past season before seeing his numbers take a hit once he became a starter again. I think it's essential that we acquire a starting PF for the reasons you stated along with the fact I don't think Nene is an 82 game, 30+ minute player anymore.

It's much like the situation at backup PG. Sure, you could go into the season with A.J. Price, but that means lessons weren't learned from last year's 4-28 debacle. Same with Nene, you could add a backup 3pt specialist believing that Okafor & Nene will do the heaving lifting next season, but you'll likely end up depending on that specialist or Ernie's Kids to hold the fort down for large periods of time.

Who's at more risk of injury and what's the impact if the go down?
- Nene and Okafor (Ernie's kids as backup)
- Ariza & Webster (Cartier Martin as backup)
- Beal (Price and Webster as backup, oh and Temple)
- Wall (Price as backup)

I think most would place their money on Nene and Okafor as having the biggest chance of injury(with Nene being in the lead), with Beal following afterwards. If we are drafting to shore up potential injuries, I think Bennett and Zeller make the most sense (and Len if you are OK drafting centers with ankle concerns), followed perhaps by CJM as a backup to Beal and Wall.

Okafor was right as rain last year. I see no reason to worry about him. He played 79 games.

And Nene went from a strike year when he got injured and never had any rest to playing over the the summer to coming back early because the team needed him.

Are there questions that need answered about him? Sure there are. But prior to that he played 3 years in a row only missing 10 games. So anyone that say that Nene is likely to be injured is really just looking at the part information and projecting negative thoughts.

Actually I think it more likely that he felt like total crap enough and he realizes why it happened. And that not speculation. Those are out of his own mouth in his exit interview.

I expect he fully rests up and plays at least 75 games next year.

[hands11]

stuff Dat wrote about Price/temple above

agreed

I'm just saying finding the perfect 3rd G is somewhat of a luxury for us.
But I think we'd both draft Dipo if OP and Noel are gone. Although
now I'm wondering if Zeller shouldn't be the pick (and Wall's stretch 4). But I digress.
Dipo probably can't play the one but he might create real problems for
opponents as a backup 2 and as the 3 in a small ball lineup.

But Wall at 22, you probably want him to play 38 mpg. Just because he's that good.
That only leaves 10 mpg for Price most nights.

Identifying the right 3rd guard is not a luxury, its a necessity.

No other player on the team created more of a offensive and defensive drop off for the team than Beal. Not Wall. Not Nene.

If Beal goes down, they are hosed. They need to know they have something they can bring in behind him.

PF and Center is the biggest need longer term. SG back up is the biggest need short term. To have a great summer, they will need to address both.

That need is what makes McLemore appealing. It also makes VO and CJM interesting.

Problem with the Wizards and this draft is that they need several players from this top and they only have one pick.

[stevemcqueen1]

This could as easily go in the trade thread. How about Seraphin + #3, #38 to OKC for Jeremy Lamb + #12, #29

With the twelfth pick select Olynyk or Adams. At 29 they could fill their two rookie quota by adding Nate Wolters. I think this improves backup talent at PG, SG, and provides a future starter at PF or C.

OKC can draft Oladipo in hopes he brings some of what Harden did with better defense. Seraphin would do great at C for OKC.

No thanks. I think you give up a TON of value in that deal. Seraphin is a better player than Lamb and the difference in value between 3 and 12 is much, much greater than the difference in value of 29 and 38.

I've never liked Lamb personally. He's a NY clone and he's less a factor for OKC than Seraphin is for us. He only got 147 minutes this year despite OKC needing scoring even beyond Kevin Martin's contribution. Plus you shouldn't trade big for small when the players are about even.

[stevemcqueen1]

Not to keep beating a drum here, but I see nothing that says the Bucks are trading Ilyasova. In fact the new coach just called Henson, Sanders and Ilyasova "good fits". Its fun to come up with cool trades, but the overwhelming likelihood is if we want a starting caliber big, we're gonna need to draft him.

There's a lengthy thread on the Bucks board that would suggest otherwise. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but there are schools of that that say (a) they''ll build around Sanders and Henson and move Ilyasova or (b) move Ilyasova and make a run at Josh Smith.

The Bucks have a fundamentally flawed construction with very little upside. They're planted firmly in NBA purgatory. They don't need to be throwing money at J Smoove either, that won't put them over the hill. If I were them, I'd move Ilyasova for a 2014 pick and let Ellis and Jennings walk and just rebuild while Sanders and Henson are still young.

[stevemcqueen1]

Perkins sucks!

Yeah, he's terrible. He's a net negative on the basketball court.

[stevemcqueen1]

I'd rather do Nene+Seraphin+2nds for Perkins+Lamb+12. Still draft Adams/Olynyk at #12 and try to flip Perkins for someone else with a similar contract but at a position we need (Barea perhaps?) all while keeping the #3.

Sure, me too, but would OKC risk taking on that much more salary for Nene, potentially chronically injured and harder to move than Perkins?

I would much rather have Nene and 2 2nds than Perkins, Lamb, and 12. At least with Nene, there'd be some hope. Perkins is awful. Lamb was way overrated, and the 12th pick is nice, but nice doesn't pay the rent.

Agreed on all counts. When healthy, Nene is an extremely valuable part of the team. I think you can't get rid of Nene and lose our only legit big bodied seven footer without having a credible replacement coming in.

[stevemcqueen1]

This could as easily go in the trade thread. How about Seraphin + #3, #38 to OKC for Jeremy Lamb + #12, #29

With the twelfth pick select Olynyk or Adams. At 29 they could fill their two rookie quota by adding Nate Wolters. I think this improves backup talent at PG, SG, and provides a future starter at PF or C.

OKC can draft Oladipo in hopes he brings some of what Harden did with better defense. Seraphin would do great at C for OKC.

Lamb isn't a player I'd trade for. He's too much like Nick Young - except he's not strong enough to play the 3. If we get a backup 2, I'd like for him to be able to play another position. Lamb would most likely be more valuable to OKC. They want someone who can score off the bench, and unless KevMart is willing to stay for cheap (He says he does, but actions will speak louder than words$$), they have a role ready for him. I think he'll end up disappointing (see Nick Young), but they did draft him high, so they must have expectations.

Houston drafted Lamb. Felt like he was tacked on to the Harden deal because you could kind of talk yourself into him having upside at the time. What a crappy return OKC ended up getting for Harden. Beal + Singleton destroys that offer in value.

[WizarDynasty]

Number one Priority Get a stretch 4 for John Wall.

[stevemcqueen1]

Porter is a much more instinctive scorer than Paul George. One thing that's stood out to me from the playoffs is how many bad shots George takes.

[AFM]

I would take George a hundred times out of a hundred over Porter.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

The Ilyasova trade idea is worth considering. Personally I like Ilyasova, but I'd be more apt to just try to get the stretch 4 in the draft. It's less expensive first of all, and I like Nene at PF if he comes in healthy and in good condition. Then have a guy to bring off the bench, like Muscala who I'd like to deal the 2nd rounders and maybe Singleton for a pick high enough to get him.

After Muscala my backup plan would be Erik Murphy. I think either would be a good fit.

And this is if we draft Porter and not Zeller or Bennett at 3.

[hands11]

On Draft night does wizards trade one of there forwards? If we draft porter we will have a logjam at the forward position maybe we can trade Jan and Singleton? Most likely they be involved in the deal if we trade are second rounder's.

Its amazing we are on Draft Thread VI and someone is just now coming up with this trade idea.

This board has been seriously slacking this year.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

My general plan for the offseason would be to target Porter and Muscala or Murphy in the draft.

I would re-sign Webster, Price, Temple, and possibly Barbosa.

I would hope the drafting of Porter will push Ariza to opt out and use the space to address other needs. If not I would look to trade him to address other needs.

[montestewart]

On Draft night does wizards trade one of there forwards? If we draft porter we will have a logjam at the forward position maybe we can trade Jan and Singleton? Most likely they be involved in the deal if we trade are second rounder's.

Its amazing we are on Draft Thread VI and someone is just now coming up with this trade idea.

This board has been seriously slacking this year.

Really! Why didn't anyone think of trading Vesely and Singleton before?