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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#681 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jun 5, 2013 9:38 pm

AFM wrote:That's not fair. Booker with a jumper? Bennett has a great handle. Trying to remember the last time Bennett (assume you mean Booker) took a guy off the dribble.


But do we want/need a dribbling power forward? That's why I'm having trouble getting all that excited about the Bennett coast-to-coast videos since that's not what we'd be bringing him in to do. And that goes back to Dat's point IMO - is Bennett the kind of guy that says "my team doesn't need me to be a ball handler, so I'm going to focus on other things (like defense)" or is he going to be like Blatche and say "hey, I can go behind my back so that's what I'm going to do every time no matter what"?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#682 » by doclinkin » Wed Jun 5, 2013 9:50 pm

Could be his body is responding well to a Div 1 weight training. Recent pics suggest some of the doughty midsection is trimming some. Where he was first seen was more like this:

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Uniform sag, maybe, but looked to me like he was conserving energy on one end, only 'alive' when he had a chance to get the ball. Normally it's a good sign if a dude can be burly but also athletic, means they'll be even tougher when they trim some (James Harden). But with asthma I get more concerned.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#683 » by gambitx777 » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:08 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Osby's on the short side, I don't know I want another power forward that short. Falls into the mold of Trevor Booker. I think he's a tougher defender than he is a great rebounder.

If I could choose an under- the- radar player slated to go in the second round to push for backup PF it would be Jackie Carmichael. He's real mature, good post game, good post defender, good rebounder, nice shot---came off as a man playing with young guys in college and looks NBA strong now. He's the type of player the Spurs draft and look ultra- smart for doing so.

Well I think Booker and Osby are different types of players. I like Jakie too but I don't think he is more of a mature player than Osby, I think they are both good and would love to have both on my team.!!!
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#684 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Jun 5, 2013 11:57 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Question on bigs in the draft: If you had to rank Withey, Dieng, Plumlee, or Muscala for the Wizards - what's your order, and note if there's a significant difference between the 4 of them.


Dieng, Muscala, Plumlee, Withey

I want to rank Muscala first, but I'm not sure about his body in the NBA. His rebounds are excellent and he has range.

I am certain Dieng will be a serviceable rebounder and defender. He's a champion coming out of the NCAAs and has strong character and work ethic. I am more intrigued with the baller, Muscala, but l would take Dieng.



I'm thinking Dieng, Withey, Muscala, Plumlee.

I'm also interested in Colton Iverson. He looks to me like he could be good to bring in to play behind Okafor. Good size, a banger, good rebounder with some offensive skills.

How much of a drop off is there from that group to Iverson? I'm thinking he could be a good pick at 38.

Also off subject, but this is encouraging about Seraphin...
http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... ional-team
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#685 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:14 am

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Post#686 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:15 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Question on bigs in the draft: If you had to rank Withey, Dieng, Plumlee, or Muscala for the Wizards - what's your order, and note if there's a significant difference between the 4 of them.


Dieng, Muscala, Plumlee, Withey

I want to rank Muscala first, but I'm not sure about his body in the NBA. His rebounds are excellent and he has range.

I am certain Dieng will be a serviceable rebounder and defender. He's a champion coming out of the NCAAs and has strong character and work ethic. I am more intrigued with the baller, Muscala, but l would take Dieng.



I'm thinking Dieng, Withey, Muscala, Plumlee.

I'm also interested in Colton Iverson. He looks to me like he could be good to bring in to play behind Okafor. Good size, a banger, good rebounder with some offensive skills.

How much of a drop off is there from that group to Iverson? I'm thinking he could be a good pick at 38.

Also off subject, but this is encouraging about Seraphin...
http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... ional-team


You don't say.

I guess a lot hasn't changed since yesterday.

PS. Thanks for the new information on Kevin S

The 6-9 center has been in town for about a week to take part in individual workout with coach Randy Wittman and his staff.

Wittman also wants to see Seraphin be a better rebounder. He has never averaged more than 4.9 per game.

"I know he expects a lot from me," Seraphin said the day after the Wizards ended the regular season on a six-game losing streak. "He thinks I can be really great. He already tells me that so that's why he is like that with me

Hmm.. Sounds like a player that wants to be involved in player development.

More focused players and surprises surprise, they make better decisions. I would imagine this would help more then him playing on the French team. Good decision Kevin. This gives me more hope regarding him.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#687 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:29 am

Christian Watford Pre-Draft Interview - 6/5/13
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Elijah Johnson Pre-Draft Interview - 6/5/13
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Peyton Siva Pre-Draft Interview - 6/5/13
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Romero Osby - 6/4/13 :wink: Already had 5 workouts.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Jamelle Hagins - 6/4/13
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#688 » by payitforward » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:32 am

pcbothwel wrote:I'd love to do a trade built around the #3 and Nene to DET for #8 and monroe (other considerations added of course). ...

They are building around Monroe. Why *ever* would they want to do such a trade?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#689 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:44 am

pancakes3 wrote:I don't want to call these "red flags" but for me, these 3 questions about Bennett put Porter ahead. (note, preferring Porter is not the same as hating on Bennett.)

1 - How does a 5-star McDonalds all-American end up at "only" UNLV?
2 - Why is he a year older than he should be?
3 - Do you see him as a long-term solution at PF or SF?
a) if PF, moreso than Nene who's signed long term?
b) if SF, moreso than what Porter brings to the table with his superior perimeter skills?


1 - He went to H.S. in a Vegas suburb, it was a natural fit. Dave Rice has had some success recruiting for UNLV recently, including getting Khem Birch to transfer from Pitt. Birch is another Canadian who was a top fifteen recruit in 2011. Bennett was the #7 recruit according to Rivals and ESPN and he would have been ranked higher if he hadn't gotten hurt his senior year. He had his choice of schools, but he ended up choosing UNLV because of location IIRC.

2 - He's got a '93 birthday, he was just born in March. He didn't lose a year anywhere. The guys with '94 birthdays like Noel reclassified to come out of H.S. a year early.

3 - PF.

A.) Fortunately Nene is interchangeable at the 4 & 5. You can play Bennett at PF and Nene at C. Nene's minutes also need to be carefully managed from here on out so that you can preserve his body and get the most out of him. Nene is going to eventually have to come off the bench as he ages IMO. Sooner than later, I don't think he's going to be a 30 minutes a night guy. I think you can feature a healthy rotation with Bennett, Nene, and Oak getting most of the PF & C minutes.

Also I wouldn't say Porter necessarily has superior perimeter skills. Both can shoot. Porter is a much better passer and a better defender and better off the ball player. But Bennett is a much better ball handler and slasher and he's much better shooting off the dribble, something Porter has struggled with so far.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#690 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 12:58 am

I think Bennett's offense is pretty obviously transferrable. The face up skills alone will translate and be a potent weapon. And whatever else, he's going to be a devastating pick and roll & pick and pop finisher. That's exactly what you want from a modern forward.

He's going to have to hone his post game, but before he does, he's going to be able to score a lot of points in the lane on sheer quickness and explosiveness.

And he'll come in with the demonstrable ability to spot up and shoot with his feet set with range beyond the three point line.

Offense is the absolute last thing I worry about with Bennett. The dude can score.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#691 » by mhd » Thu Jun 6, 2013 1:47 am

Article about Minny using Derrick Williams to move up:

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... k-williams
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#692 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Jun 6, 2013 2:05 am

mhd wrote:Article about Minny using Derrick Williams to move up:

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... k-williams



It is interesting. The 2 teams are certainly familiar with each other. Williams would be the stretch 4 Wall is clamoring for. If we could do something like Williams, # 9, # 26, for Vesely, Singleton, # 3, # 38, that could be good for us.

We could potentially come away from the draft with Derrick Williams, CJ McCollum, and Jeff Withey ideally. Or maybe Adams and Green worst case.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#693 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jun 6, 2013 2:07 am

mhd wrote:Article about Minny using Derrick Williams to move up:

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... k-williams

Not a fan of Williams....
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#694 » by miller31time » Thu Jun 6, 2013 3:15 am

I don't know why we'd settle for 3 potentially mediocre players when we have Otto Porter (a rock at the SF position) waiting for us.

If, for whatever reason, Porter goes 1 or 2, that would mean Noel or McLemore falls to us. If Noel falls to us, we draft him. If McLemore falls to us, his stock is so high we could get a better piece than Williams and the 9th pick.

My 2 cents, at least.

EDIT: I guess I should also say that it's a definite Ernie move so I wouldn't be surprised. Just upset.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#695 » by P'Oed » Thu Jun 6, 2013 3:17 am

Yeah, because trading with Minnesota always seems to work out really well for us.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#696 » by nuposse04 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 3:47 am

Williams did average 18-7.6 on 45% with 34% from 3 pt land after the all star break. Didn't help he was basically asked to be more then should be expected from him, but we aren't looking for anything more then a 3rd option at the 3rd spot anyways I think.

IF Porter is gone as well as Noel, I don't think moving down while acquiring Williams is necessarily a bad move...it does have risk...so do most players in this draft not named Porter/Oladipo/Noel.

If you can come away in this draft with Williams and Adams/Olynyk...that isn't all too bad.

BTW, I had no idea Williams shot 57% from 3 pt land in his 2nd season at college. I can't think of the last big name player who did something THAT efficiently and been mediocre in his first two seasons in the NBA from 3 pt land. I have to think he'll settle in somewhere in-between eventually.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#697 » by pancakes3 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 4:39 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:I don't want to call these "red flags" but for me, these 3 questions about Bennett put Porter ahead. (note, preferring Porter is not the same as hating on Bennett.)

1 - How does a 5-star McDonalds all-American end up at "only" UNLV?
2 - Why is he a year older than he should be?
3 - Do you see him as a long-term solution at PF or SF?
a) if PF, moreso than Nene who's signed long term?
b) if SF, moreso than what Porter brings to the table with his superior perimeter skills?


1 - He went to H.S. in a Vegas suburb, it was a natural fit. Dave Rice has had some success recruiting for UNLV recently, including getting Khem Birch to transfer from Pitt. Birch is another Canadian who was a top fifteen recruit in 2011. Bennett was the #7 recruit according to Rivals and ESPN and he would have been ranked higher if he hadn't gotten hurt his senior year. He had his choice of schools, but he ended up choosing UNLV because of location IIRC.

2 - He's got a '93 birthday, he was just born in March. He didn't lose a year anywhere. The guys with '94 birthdays like Noel reclassified to come out of H.S. a year early.

3 - PF.

A.) Fortunately Nene is interchangeable at the 4 & 5. You can play Bennett at PF and Nene at C. Nene's minutes also need to be carefully managed from here on out so that you can preserve his body and get the most out of him. Nene is going to eventually have to come off the bench as he ages IMO. Sooner than later, I don't think he's going to be a 30 minutes a night guy. I think you can feature a healthy rotation with Bennett, Nene, and Oak getting most of the PF & C minutes.

Also I wouldn't say Porter necessarily has superior perimeter skills. Both can shoot. Porter is a much better passer and a better defender and better off the ball player. But Bennett is a much better ball handler and slasher and he's much better shooting off the dribble, something Porter has struggled with so far.


1 - The proximity argument isn't very convincing. He's Canadian, started HS in WV before bouncing to Findlay which is a boarding school. Was it injury that killed his prospects?

2 - A '93 birthday makes him a sophomore. A March birthday cements it. He's 20. That's OLD for a freshman. For all the flack that Shabazz is getting for being a year older than advertised, he's only 4 months older than Bennett.

3 - I can see him being a mini-melo type player at PF but I have to squint real hard and if I squint too hard I see Derrick Williams. When he comes in for workouts, I'd have to see how he posts guys up.

Oh, and also we're currently carrying 6 guys on our roster that can fill in extended PF mins. Nene, Seraphin, Ves, Singleton, Booker, and Ariza. I know BPA is the general consensus to go especially since we've got such terrible options but what are we going to do with those guys IF we do sign Bennett? Just grin and bear it?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#698 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:19 am

Right not I would take Osby over Jan, Chris and Kevin.
I'm not in love with Siva but hes got potential to be a great floor general, he may never be a great scorer but he has the ability to be a really nice defender and create for others.
An Osby and Siva second round would not be all that bad.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#699 » by Deivy202 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 6:35 am

OK Im just too excited for the draft IDK who too pick at #3.

Noel - basically is like a Josh smith type who is fast and can block and dunk really well and can pass the ball.


Zeller- Is basically the smartest big man and has possibly the best IQ in this draft who has jump shot potentials of that of Chris bosh! which is very good in the NBA

Porter- is basically from the Hoyaz and has the skills of a very good defender and potential that exceeds of that from Prince and can potentially be a very good SF ( which we need)

Anthony Bennett:- Seems like he has the biggest hard and is similar to that of Blake griffin! he just amazes me and can score.


IDK who to pick ....I love them all but if I could.


Noel
Zeller
Bennett (who i might put at #2)
Porter

I also would love to explore that T-wolves trade for Derrick williams and there pick which can get us Len .
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI 

Post#700 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 6, 2013 10:46 am

pancakes3 wrote:Oh, and also we're currently carrying 6 guys on our roster that can fill in extended PF mins. Nene, Seraphin, Ves, Singleton, Booker, and Ariza. I know BPA is the general consensus to go especially since we've got such terrible options but what are we going to do with those guys IF we do sign Bennett? Just grin and bear it?

But of those 6 guys, only 2 are natural PF's (Booker and Vesely) and only one of those two actually belongs on an NBA court. Depth at PF is pretty much the last reason anyone should forgo drafting Bennett. We have better talent at every other position. We have two starting caliber players at SF and C, and one starting caliber player at PG and SG. We have no starting caliber players at PF unless we play Nene out of position.

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