Burke V Kemba

[dVs33]

This is for the college ball fans i guess.
How does Burke compare to kemba coming out of college?
Ive done a little research on burke, but ive only seen a handful of kemba's NBA games and none of his college stuff, so i cant fairly compare them.

So?? are they comparable?? which one is better??

[ImHeisenberg]

[The_Irony]

I'll leave the stats and game style to someone else but Burkes heart seems to be the biggest intangible of them all. It's always those players with chips on their shoulders who turn out to have great careers. Kemba never struck me as hungry.

[ComboGuardCity]

I'll leave the stats and game style to someone else but Burkes heart seems to be the biggest intangible of them all. It's always those players with chips on their shoulders who turn out to have great careers. Kemba never struck me as hungry.

Are you kidding me? Kemba has a ridiculous motor. He was that UCONN team. Walker has elite speed. Burke does not. Kemba was by far the better college player.

[ChipButty]

^ I dunno man. I would never question Kemba's heart. He willed his team to a championship. I think they are comparable, but I'd give Burke the edge as an overall prospect.

[The_Irony]

I'll leave the stats and game style to someone else but Burkes heart seems to be the biggest intangible of them all. It's always those players with chips on their shoulders who turn out to have great careers. Kemba never struck me as hungry.

Are you kidding me? Kemba has a ridiculous motor. He was that UCONN team. Walker has elite speed. Burke does not. Kemba was by far the better college player.

Am I kidding you? Nah. Burke will have the better career based off his willingness to grow and improve while being a GREAT leader and pace setter.

Kembas good sure, but I want burke in that foxhole with me.


FYI if Detroit drafted Kemba wed all be killing ourselves.

[ImHeisenberg]

FYI if Detroit drafted Kemba wed all be killing ourselves.

I think more people would be happy, as Brandon Knight would probably be posting even worse numbers down in Charlotte.

Walker had a way better 2012/13 season than Knight. Then again, Knight might be significantly better in two years, when he's Kemba's age? Either way, going with what we know, Kemba's the better player right now.

[kurtis48239]

Yes I also give3 burke the edge.

[HotelVitale]

Kemba is a shoot-first guy who uses great speed and quickness to get to open spots on the court. Great in transition, seems like he got pretty good at P n' R this year, based on the videos I just watched. Burke doesn't play as fast but reads plays really well, creates space well, and makes great decisions. He's a much worse finisher but much better shooter than Kemba, and is much better at finding the open guy on pick and roll dives and broken plays. I was really impressed by Burke's vision this year--he's not Rondo or Kidd, but he still surprises you with his passes (unlike the super-predictable, pass-only-to-the-guy-right-next-to-me MCW).

And you're right, Heisenberg, we'd be more optimistic about the future with Kemba on board. He was pretty darn good on offense last year despite being surrounded by total duds. He averaged 18/7 and had a PER of 19, to go with a full 2 steals per game. Those are excellent numbers for a second year PG. He's tiny on defense and is like 30 months older than Knight but he's shown he can play in this league for a full season...BK hasn't shown he can consistently play for a full week.

EDIT: Just another thought: people who talk about wanting Brandon Jennings but think Kemba is a scrub, y'all need to get league pass or something. Here's a couple minutes from one of Kemba's better games this year, it's just highlights but shows you what he can do (and versus a good Pacers defense). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTW2EkldJM

[ImHeisenberg]

Thanks for backing me, HV. If Walker was drafted by Detroit, they would unquestionably aiming for a wing or backup big this year.

But, that's simply not reality. Also, I would be shocked if Burke fell all the way to 8 anyways. I feel like the Burke discussion is a non-issue. Odds are, three weeks from now we'll be trying to talk ourselves into why CJ McCollum's shooting in his senior year wasn't a total fluke, and how he won't be completely dominated when defending shooting guards.

[Lionlifer]

Remember when Burke put his team on his back against Kansas and refused to lose? Kemba pretty much did that every game in college his final year.

The run he put together in the Big East tourney then in the NCAA was awesome, kid has crazy motor/heart and would not lose. Sure there are flaws to his game, but I don't see how you can question his motor/heart.

I'd take Kemba right now, in 3 years who knows

[The Penguin]

Kemba >>>> Burke

[Piston Pete]

I think the only way to compare the two are based off what they did in college, as Burke has obviously not played 2 years of NBA ball like Kemba has.

Both are smaller PGs who were the hearts of their teams and national player of the year type guys.

Stats:

Burke in 2012-13 (35.3 minutes per)
18.6 points (46%FG, 38% 3-ball, 80% FT), 6.7 assists, 3.2 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 2.2 TOs (3.05 assist:TO ratio)

Kemba in 2010-11 (37.6 minutes per)
23.5 points (43%FG, 33% 3-ball, 82% FT), 4.5 assists, 5.4 rebounds, 1.9 steals, 2.3 TOs (1.96 assist:TO ratio)

[Redeemed]

Kemba had one of the most legendary runs from the Big East Conference Tournament through the Final Four into the Title game. Dude was crazy hungry and the energy he brought to the court was almost electric. He dazzled defenders off the dribble. He drilled heartbreaking jumpers from deep. He got to the basket via impossible angles and spaces. He was also dominate on the boards at key moments of games.

The kid's passion carried UCONN to victory. He won virtually every match up against every opposing pg he faced. I had him as my dream selection for the Pistons. Kemba is a winner. Kemba is going to get better.

Burke is a winner, but I didn't see him have the sort of run Kemba had.

[Redeemed]

I'll leave the stats and game style to someone else but Burkes heart seems to be the biggest intangible of them all. It's always those players with chips on their shoulders who turn out to have great careers. Kemba never struck me as hungry.

Are you kidding me? Kemba has a ridiculous motor. He was that UCONN team. Walker has elite speed. Burke does not. Kemba was by far the better college player.

Am I kidding you? Nah. Burke will have the better career based off his willingness to grow and improve while being a GREAT leader and pace setter.

Kembas good sure, but I want burke in that foxhole with me.


FYI if Detroit drafted Kemba wed all be killing ourselves.

If you're basing career success on willingness to grow and improve I would think you would be impressed with Kemba. Kemba went from solid contributer (nothing special) to college superstar, that's a huge leap. He had a serviceable first year sharing pg duties with Augustine and went on to running the show well in his second year.

Kemba would have worked well in Detroit.

[MrBigShot]

Well...I was personally rooting for us to take Kemba on draft day. He's become more efficient this year, and he's a great leader with a lot of heart. He was definitely a better prospect than Burke at the same time, but Burke is more of a traditional PG, even though he is capable of scoring.

I'd hate to admit, but I think we will regret passing on Kemba.

[Clarity]

i'd probably take Kemba, way better creator of his own offense.

I saw someone mention Kemba lacking the heart Burke does. lol Classic Michigan fandom there.

[The Penguin]

I saw someone mention Kemba lacking the heart Burke does. lol Classic Michigan fandom there.

Over half this boards love for Burke is classic Michigan fandom.

Personally MCW is a much more interesting prospect as I don't see how Burke & Knight could play together defensively.

[The_Irony]

i'd probably take Kemba, way better creator of his own offense.

I saw someone mention Kemba lacking the heart Burke does. lol Classic Michigan fandom there.

[Clarity]

Over half this boards love for Burke is classic Michigan fandom.

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Its understandable though, I totally get it.