Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[Dark Faze]

Lmao @ D-Will not being explosive. Dude was in the friggin dunk contest. He has a 35 inch max vert as a legit 6'8 guy and he bench pressed 19 times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZrlN8qMbc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRTxKdu7I88

Williams was an absolute terror. Quicker first step than Bennett, faster, more explosive. The only thing Bennett might have over him is better overall strength.

I loved that kid. Loved him as a prospect. Bennett just isn't D-Will though.

[GhostsOfGil]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Bradley Beal?

[tontoz]

Bennett is clearly a 4. Does anyone really think he is a 3 after looking at the pictures of him posted on here? It isnt like he has to put on weight to play the 4 like a lot of guys. Sure his length is a concern but his build isn't. He takes it to the basket strong. He isn't drifting on the perimeter afraid to take it inside.

And let's not try to compare this draft to other drafts. This is a weak draft and so that is a weak argument. In a strong draft Bennett would not be considered as a top 5 pick. That argument is no different than saying we need to draft someone with star potential at 3.

[Dat2U]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Bradley Beal?

How exactly is Beal a tweener? He's a pure 2 and has adequate length for a SG.

[Mizerooskie]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Harris and Faried.

[GhostsOfGil]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Bradley Beal?

How exactly is Beal a tweener? He's a pure 2 and has adequate length for a SG.

There were concerns about his height and length before the official measurements came out. Like I said before, I think its silly to form opinions about Bennett regarding his size. You may be correct and he may indeed be undersized, but right now, we just dont know.

[Dat2U]

Recently drafted guys in the lottery stuck b/w the 3 & 4 positions

Derrick Williams
Michael Beasley
Marcus Morris
Jan Vesely
Al-Farouq Aminu
Earl Clark
Jeff Green
Thaddeus Young
Julian Wright

The only guy on this list that wasn't a complete disappointment for the team that drafted him was Thaddeus Young.

[Dat2U]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Harris and Faried.

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Isn't Harris a 3? I thought he was always viewed as a SF prospect.

[Dark Faze]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Harris and Faried.

Harris is a strong SF. Strong SF's like Bron and Melo aren't tweeners. They are just very good, versatile players that can play minutes at the 4, but they are primarily SF's.

Tweeners are the reverse. They are primarily 4's that play some minutes at the 3 (usually because they aren't doing their jobs as big men).

Faried is a tweener though and he's the best example we've had for over a decade.Thing about Faried though is he fully embraced and has only ever played as a PF. He doesn't try to be a perimeter guy at all.

[Mizerooskie]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Harris and Faried.

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Isn't Harris a 3? I thought he was always viewed as a SF prospect.

There were significant concerns about whether Faried had the strength and length to play the 4.

There were also significant concerns as to whether Harris had the athleticism to play the 3.

[Mizerooskie]

So who's the last highly drafted tweener that was a success?

Any recent top 10 picks?

Harris and Faried.

Harris is a strong SF. Strong SF's like Bron and Melo aren't tweeners. They are just very good, versatile players that can play minutes at the 4, but they are primarily SF's.

Tweeners are the reverse. They are primarily 4's that play some minutes at the 3 (usually because they aren't doing their jobs as big men).

Faried is a tweener though and he's the best example we've had for over a decade.Thing about Faried though is he fully embraced and has only ever played as a PF. He doesn't try to be a perimeter guy at all.

Don't re-write history to fit your narrative. Tweeners are guys whose size and athleticism casts doubts as to whether they're an ideal fit for any one position. Harris and Faried both fall into that category.

[Dat2U]

Harris and Faried.

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Isn't Harris a 3? I thought he was always viewed as a SF prospect.

There were significant concerns about whether Faried had the strength and length to play the 4.

There were also significant concerns as to whether Harris had the athleticism to play the 3.

The measurements clearly showed Faried had the ideal size to play PF. He wasn't undersized by any means. Anyone with an internet connection would have known that had they done the research.

I never heard any athleticism questions related to Harris up until your post. I think his skill was questioned but most seemed to think he was going to be a SF.

[Mizerooskie]

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Back to this for a second: We don't have standing reach numbers on Bennett, but two years ago, as a kid that had just turned 18, Bennett measured at 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan. Faried measured 6'7.5" wiht a 7'0" wingspan at the draft combine, at age 21.

Why are you so quick to assume Bennett is a tweener, while calling Faried's length 'ideal'?

Frankly, this whole discussion of Bennett as a tweene is nonsensical without updated measurements.

[Mizerooskie]

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Isn't Harris a 3? I thought he was always viewed as a SF prospect.

There were significant concerns about whether Faried had the strength and length to play the 4.

There were also significant concerns as to whether Harris had the athleticism to play the 3.

The measurements clearly showed Faried had the ideal size to play PF. He wasn't undersized by any means. Anyone with an internet connection would have known that had they done the research.

I never heard any athleticism questions related to Harris up until your post. I think his skill was questioned but most seemed to think he was going to be a SF.

More re-writing of history to suit the narrative.

On Harris:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/716555-2011-nba-mock-draft-which-players-will-be-biggest-busts-of-weak-draft-class/entry/88938-2011-nba-mock-draft-is-tobias-harris-draft-stock-falling

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tobias-Harris-5740/ (Note the listed position)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/player/_/id/19564/tobias-harris

Negatives
Not an elite athlete
Lacks ideal size for his position
A bit of a tweener?
Needs to add strength

On Faried:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19371

Negatives
Needs to continue add strength
Lacks ideal size for his position
Still raw on the offensive end of the ball
Suffers from asthma

http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/3005575.phtml (originally in the Charlotte Observer, but no longer archived on their website}

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/48187/no-such-thing-as-a-tweener-anymore

[Dat2U]

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Back to this for a second: We don't have standing reach numbers on Bennett, but two years ago, as a kid that had just turned 18, Bennett measured at 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan. Faried measured 6'7.5" wiht a 7'0" wingspan at the draft combine, at age 21.

Why are you so quick to assume Bennett is a tweener, while calling Faried's length 'ideal'?

Frankly, this whole discussion of Bennett as a tween is nonsensical without updated measurements.

Wingspan means absolutely nothing when discussing bigs. Shelden Williams had a 7'4.5" wingspan, but didn't have the adequate length to be effective in the NBA because his standing reach measured out at 8'8" which is simply unacceptable for a PF or C.

Your right, this discussion on Bennett isn't going to get cleared up until that standing reach measurement leaks out but unless it's in 8'10" range or better, he's not even in consideration as a top 10 pick IMO.

[tontoz]

Faried weighed 225 at the combine. That is hardly ideal for a 4, especially a senior.

[DMVleGeND]

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Isn't Harris a 3? I thought he was always viewed as a SF prospect.

There were significant concerns about whether Faried had the strength and length to play the 4.

There were also significant concerns as to whether Harris had the athleticism to play the 3.

The measurements clearly showed Faried had the ideal size to play PF. He wasn't undersized by any means. Anyone with an internet connection would have known that had they done the research.

I never heard any athleticism questions related to Harris up until your post. I think his skill was questioned but most seemed to think he was going to be a SF.

At 6'8, he's slightly undersized at the power forward position, and lacks the athleticism, explosiveness and foot speed to guard most NBA small forwards

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/tobias-harris

Hindsight is 20/20. There were legit questions as to what position he would play in the NBA going into the draft.

[fishercob]

At last.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn5U7aI2Ng[/youtube]

[Dat2U]

There were significant concerns about whether Faried had the strength and length to play the 4.

There were also significant concerns as to whether Harris had the athleticism to play the 3.

The measurements clearly showed Faried had the ideal size to play PF. He wasn't undersized by any means. Anyone with an internet connection would have known that had they done the research.

I never heard any athleticism questions related to Harris up until your post. I think his skill was questioned but most seemed to think he was going to be a SF.

More re-writing of history to suit the narrative.

On Harris:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/716555-2011-nba-mock-draft-which-players-will-be-biggest-busts-of-weak-draft-class/entry/88938-2011-nba-mock-draft-is-tobias-harris-draft-stock-falling

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Tobias-Harris-5740/ (Note the listed position)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/player/_/id/19564/tobias-harris

Negatives
Not an elite athlete
Lacks ideal size for his position
A bit of a tweener?
Needs to add strength

On Faried:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19371

Negatives
Needs to continue add strength
Lacks ideal size for his position
Still raw on the offensive end of the ball
Suffers from asthma

http://forums.warriorsworld.net/main/msgs/3005575.phtml (originally in the Charlotte Observer, but no longer archived on their website}

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/48187/no-such-thing-as-a-tweener-anymore

I don't have to rewrite squat. Do you need Chad Ford to tell you how to wipe your ass too? I didn't know he was the only source of info on draft prospects. So his word is as good as gold???? Anyone considering Faried undersized at the time simply didn't do the research. The measurements where available long before the 2011 draft. When I watched him play, he looked like the biggest & most active dude on the court. He looked like a big PF to me. I said as much at time. I don't have to rewrite a damn thing. You can look up what I said.

[Mizerooskie]

What makes Faried a tweener? His standing reach is 9'0". He's got ideal length for a PF.

Back to this for a second: We don't have standing reach numbers on Bennett, but two years ago, as a kid that had just turned 18, Bennett measured at 6'7" with a 7'1" wingspan. Faried measured 6'7.5" wiht a 7'0" wingspan at the draft combine, at age 21.

Why are you so quick to assume Bennett is a tweener, while calling Faried's length 'ideal'?

Frankly, this whole discussion of Bennett as a tween is nonsensical without updated measurements.

Wingspan means absolutely nothing when discussing bigs. Shelden Williams had a 7'4.5" wingspan, but didn't have the adequate length to be effective in the NBA because his standing reach measured out at 8'8" which is simply unacceptable for a PF or C.

Your right, this discussion on Bennett isn't going to get cleared up until that standing reach measurement leaks out but unless it's in 8'10" range or better, he's not even in consideration as a top 10 pick IMO.

Of course wingspan means something. How many guys with T-Rex arms are top bigs in the NBA? Joakim Noah has a middling standing reach (8'10.5"), but a very good wingspan (7'1.25"), and he's one of the best defensive bigs in the league.