George Karl

milellie111 · Post #1 » by **milellie111** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:54 pm

The Nuggets decided to axe Coach of the Year George Karl because he wanted an extension. The Wizards should be on the phone right now with Karl trying to get him in here ASAP. This team needs a legit coach. Randy Whittman will lead this team nowhere, he is simply still a stop gap. Along with the #3 pick, a legit winning coach could do wonders for this team.

fishercob · Post #2 » by **fishercob** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 6:05 pm

The NBA coaching carousel is insane.

Post #3 » by **nate33** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 6:07 pm

George Karl never wins in the playoffs. Either he's overrated as a coach and doesn't know how to counter when teams have a few games to figure him out. Or maybe his teams just aren't that good and he overachieves every regular season thanks to his brilliance but succumb in the playoffs when faced with superior talent. I'm not sure which.

dobrojim · Post #4 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 6:45 pm

he almost never wins in the playoffs.

there was the one year he coached SEA to the Finals.

milellie111 · Post #5 » by **milellie111** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:05 pm

He's coached in the Western conferenc where he always come up agains the spurs or lakers or thunder in the playoffs. He would most likely dominate in the East.

dobrojim · Post #6 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:23 pm

not convinced of that in the absence of knowing who his players were

which EC team could he have coached THIS year and gotten past
MIA (good definition of dominate)?

Post #7 » by **miller31time** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:53 pm

If there's a knock against him, it's that he can't make the proper adjustments necessary to win a series in the playoffs. I don't know if this is true or if his losses were purely due to running into the wrong teams and/or coaching teams that highly overachieved.

But what I do know is that he can coach in the regular season, gets his teams to play their asses off for him and can take groups that have no business being good and lead them to 50+ wins.

For the period we're coming up on here in Washington, he would appear to be the perfect coach. It's not like we're going to make any noise in the playoffs for another 2-3 years so we might as well get a coach who can mold us into a regular season powerhouse.

Illuminaire · Post #8 » by **Illuminaire** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:55 pm

Carl seems like a good second-tier coach. I'm with Nate, I've never been sure whether he can't make intelligent adjustments in the playoffs, or if he's just never had the horses for it to matter.

You can do a lot worse than George Carl.

dobrojim · Post #9 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:05 pm

miller31time wrote:If there's a knock against him, it's that he can't make the proper adjustments necessary to win a series in the playoffs. I don't know if this is true or if his losses were purely due to running into the wrong teams and/or coaching teams that highly overachieved.

But what I do know is that he can coach in the regular season, gets his teams to play their asses off for him and can take groups that have no business being good and lead them to 50+ wins.

For the period we're coming up on here in Washington, he would appear to be the perfect coach. It's not like we're going to make any noise in the playoffs for another 2-3 years so we might as well get a coach who can mold us into a regular season powerhouse.

I don't disagree with any of it except him being a perfect coach for us for a near term window.
If we're only looking at the immediate/near term, I think we're fine with Randy. I reserve
the right to re-evaluate that 1 year from now.

FreeBalling · Post #10 » by **FreeBalling** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:42 pm

I think our players are buying into Randy's coaching philosophy. Randy has the respect of the players. Just look at the ball movement and commitment to playing defense. I like what Randy has done with limited options. I'd be ok with Carl as a Tier-II coach for the Bullets.

I'm hoping for Porter @ #3 and Randy teaching him TEAM BALL PLAY.

Just win baby!

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #11 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:59 pm

milellie111 wrote:The Nuggets decided to axe Coach of the Year George Karl because he wanted an extension. The Wizards should be on the phone right now with Karl trying to get him in here ASAP. This team needs a legit coach. Randy Whittman will lead this team nowhere, he is simply still a stop gap. Along with the #3 pick, a legit winning coach could do wonders for this team.

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George Karl gets to the playoffs with talented rosters. He exits in round one nine times out of ten. This season Denver really collapsed against GS. Years back as the top seed they lost to Baron Davis and the eighth seed. For all his success, Karl was 21-39 in the playoffs. I think he's overrated because he consistently does poorly in the playoffs.

He's a HOF coach but I think a guy who is like Lionel Hollins, good but no miracle worker.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #12 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 9:02 pm

nate33 wrote:George Karl never wins in the playoffs. Either he's overrated as a coach and doesn't know how to counter when teams have a few games to figure him out. Or maybe his teams just aren't that good and he overachieves every regular season thanks to his brilliance but succumb in the playoffs when faced with superior talent. I'm not sure which.

I recall questioning his rotations a bunch this year vs GS. Also, he let Galinari and Koufos in last year's playoffs get Denver in trouble.

Severn Hoos · Post #13 » by **Severn Hoos** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 9:27 pm

JaVale "retires" yet another coach?

He had 4 coaches in 3.5 years here, now will be on his second in Denver. I know it's kind of a cheap shot, but I do wonder if there's any connection there?

Post #14 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 9:34 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:JaVale "retires" yet another coach?

He had 4 coaches in 3.5 years here, now will be on his second in Denver. I know it's kind of a cheap shot, but I do wonder if there's any connection there?

Ouch. I wonder if "I can't believe you idiots are paying this moron $10+ million a year" had anything to do with his departure?

Post #15 » by **montestewart** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 10:02 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
Severn Hoos wrote:JaVale "retires" yet another coach?

He had 4 coaches in 3.5 years here, now will be on his second in Denver. I know it's kind of a cheap shot, but I do wonder if there's any connection there?

Ouch. I wonder if "I can't believe you idiots are paying this moron $10+ million a year" had anything to do with his departure?

I heard there was another cinnamon incident.

Upper Decker · Post #16 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Jun 6, 2013 10:39 pm

I've always thought that the location of Denver adds 7-8 wins each year to the Nuggets. Denver is right on the edge of western United States so when east coast teams go on long west coast road trips it seems like Denver is the first stop or the last stop (logistically it seems most efficient although I have no factual evidence this occurs). If a team plays in their 4th games in 6 nights or 5th games in 8 nights in Denver, they'd be mentally and physically exhausted. Half the time they're more focused on getting home than winning.

Not only that, but since teams are playing compressed schedules on long road trips the Nuggets face a lot of home games where the opponent is on a second game of a back to back in high altitude. That's murder when the Nuggets are 10 deep (granted none of them are stars). There are 22 teams east of Denver so a majority of teams deal with this. Their home record was 38-3 and road record was 19-22. Knock off 7-8 home victories and they're basically the Warriors.

What team would you rather than Steph Curry / Klay Thompson / Andrew Bogut or Lawson / Iggy / Faried? I'd take the Warriors everyday. Karl overachieved with this group and it cost him because expectations were then higher in the playoffs. When opponents don't have to deal with the regular season schedule issues Denver's advantage is negated.

Next year the Nuggets will be out of the playoffs. Josh Kroenke is a tool, and they have no mgmt structure without Ujiri / Karl. Say what you will about Karl's substitutions (which did stink), he's been around a long time and knows how to run a team / organization (just the same way that Buck Showalter's doing with the O's). Kroenke's a cheap owner and will go cheap with his next hire and it'll be like Jeff Bzdelik all over again. Iggy is opting out, Gallo will be out almost all season, no FA's sign in Denver. Smells like an 11th seed if you ask me.

willbcocks · Post #17 » by **willbcocks** » Fri Jun 7, 2013 2:06 am

The Nugs had were 19-11 against the East and 36-14 against the West, so they did better statistically against the West.

Their 38-3 home record vs 19-22 away record might lend credence to your general point about altitude, although they did perform much better on the road the year before last.

closg00 · Post #18 » by **closg00** » Fri Jun 7, 2013 2:12 am

Denver's front office did not pay McGee $10 million per season to eat popcorn on the bench. Karl stubbornly refused to develop McGee

http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_234 ... z2VUXOHgxT

queridiculo · Post #19 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Jun 7, 2013 2:29 am

Refused to develop... This goes back to how do you develop players, do you just give them time hoping they'll figure it out through osmosis, or do you let them earn it, by rewarding them for executing how their coached to play?

I happen to think it's the latter. You have to hold the players accountable, and McGee steadfastly has refused to play winning basketball.

Maybe they should just hire Pam McGee to coach that team.

Post #20 » by **miller31time** » Fri Jun 7, 2013 2:41 am

The treatment of JaVale McGee is one of Karl's pluses from his time in Denver. He utilized McGee perfectly -- as the spark-plug off the bench. It's not a coincidence that, with McGee on the bench most of the season, Denver played great basketball and was one of the best teams in the West.

JaVale's playing time or lack thereof should be an indictment on Denver management, not George Karl.