Who offered the Jazz a trade in the lottery?

[erudite23]

I haven't seen where Perkins contract has a team buyout, I only see that he is owed about $18.5M for the next two seasons.

Also, his $8.3M salary from this last season would be added on to the Jazz' salary of this last year, meaning that they would go into the tax about $5M, as the new season doesn't begin until July 1st. This increases the cost even more in an effort to get a somewhat higher pick in a draft that is not spectacular and without targeting anyone that you have the comfort level that they will be an All Star one day, and with questions as to how good of a starter they will be.

I'm up for moving up in the draft if it makes sense, but I am not sure this does.

You're incorrect regarding the tax situation. Tax is calculated based on the roster at the time of the last regular season game.

End result is the same, we take on Perkins as part of a draft trade and he adds over $8M to the Jazz' team salary of last year (not this next year), which will put them about $5M into the tax, in addition to having to pay Perkin's salary the next two years. The only way to reduce the tax is to give OKC players in exchange, but the Jazz don't have too much that they would be able or willing to part with.

Lol. Where would you get an idea like that? If it were possible to do that, teams would play the whole season and THEN try to get under the luxury tax after the season ended. It would be an idiotic rule that would allow teams to circumvent the tax rules every year.

No, StockShorts is right, a team's tax situation is calculated based upon their roster and salary commitments at the end of the year.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Haha, I think that you are both probably right and I am wrong. However, I don't think that the Jazz can take on Perkins, and I might be confusing tax with cap space, which does not reset for next year until July.

[kebutah]

I think the Jazz may trade CAP space next year for draft choices next year not this year. I don;t think they will trade for somebody with multiple years remaining on their contract for just one pick. According to Shamsports Perkins has 2 years left- not one and a team option.

[Winglish]

The Jazz are about the most flexible team in the league right now. They can absorb $26 million in salary in exchange for draft picks or other considerations if they want to.

Two things the Jazz cannot do:

1. Sign and trade a free agent prior to July. Talking to free agents is tampering. We will not see a sign and trade happen before or on draft night.

2. Trade their first round draft pick in consecutive years. Meaning, if the Jazz trade both #14 and #21 in some type of deal this year, they would not be eligible to deal their pick next year. Every team is going to be careful with this rule because they ALL want leverage next year.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Ok, after some research over lunch, I now have a better understanding of cap space and trading cap space in conjunction with the draft. Since the Jazz will potentially be so below the cap come July 10th, it does open up a lot of possibilities for trading the players that another team (such as Dallas) selects with their pick(s), but is not consummated until mid-July.

It does make Erudite's Perkins trade possible, but still not feasible in my mind.

It also opens up the possibility of the Jazz taking Dallas' 13th pick (taking on either Carter or even Marion). However, do the Jazz want to help Dallas get CP3 and/or D12? I would say better an aging Dallas than a young and upcoming Houston, but best option is for Atlanta go get either or both of them.

One also has to ask themselves how many 1st round rookies the Jazz would be willing to take on at once with an otherwise pretty young team, although those contracts would be helpful come the time for extension of Favors and Hayward.

Well, understanding trading cap space just opened my eyes quite a bit.

[kebutah]

You cannot trade two future consecutive picks unless a pick is returned in one of the years. You can always draft somebody with the intent of completing a trade for something else.

[SoCalJazzFan]

You cannot trade two future consecutive picks unless a pick is returned in one of the years. You can always draft somebody with the intent of completing a trade for something else.

If you are referring to Dallas being unable to trade this years pick as they have already traded their 2014 pick, it seems that they could draft whomever they draft, and then trade that player to a team who has cap space to absorb him, and potentially get that under the cap team to take on Vince Carter or Marion as part of the deal. That under the cap team come July 10th could work out a verbal deal with Dallas to pick a certain player for them.

[StocktonShorts]

Two things the Jazz cannot do:

2. Trade their first round draft pick in consecutive years. Meaning, if the Jazz trade both #14 and #21 in some type of deal this year, they would not be eligible to deal their pick next year. Every team is going to be careful with this rule because they ALL want leverage next year.

I think technically the rule says you must have a first round draft pick in one of the two upcoming years. So let's say the Jazz traded #14 and #21 this year. They could still, AFTER this year's draft, trade their 2014 first round pick, because at that point they would still have their 2015 first round pick.

Edit: see http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

[Inigo Montoya]

i think you meant he's 84% FT this year. last year he was at 64% FT.

i don't think he'll be an absolute non factor from distance with a broken shot. i just think shooting will not be one of the stronger aspects of his game. i think the most he'll be is average when it comes to shooting.

No, I meant last year. When the season is over, it becomes last year and not this year.

And you completely ignored my main point. He was a very effective shooter from range (both 3 and long 2s) on catch and shoot opportunities. Where he struggles is off the dribble, which makes sense given that he has a set shot. And he's 19. You're going to see some rough edges, but the fact that he's improved so much over the course of the last year is a very good sign. He'll never be Steve Nash, obviously, but if he can hit those shots enough to keep defenses honest, it will allow his other talents to shine, and he's got a lot of really great things going for him. I see a guy who could be a Tony Parker/Rajon Rondo hybrid.

no, i think i answered your point directly. i see his numbers this last season as the high mark of the shooting percentages we will see from him during his career. if anyone is ignoring things, it's you, since you don't see fit to include his stats from the previous year, which were 11.8% 3pt and 64% FT with the phantoms, and 31% 3pt and 75% FT with medien. so i don't see him being able to reliably hit long jumpers to allow his talents to shine on offense, and view him as a bad fit for the skills of the jazz's core roster.

while he did shoot well in catch and shoot situations, his sample size is rather small, and his release is slow and not fundamentally sound. his shooting form also suggests he may find it hard to extend his range to the NBA three range. parker\rondo hybrid is an insanely high and unrealistic ceiling for him imho, and is a reach of a comp.

[BringtheD]

Two things the Jazz cannot do:

2. Trade their first round draft pick in consecutive years. Meaning, if the Jazz trade both #14 and #21 in some type of deal this year, they would not be eligible to deal their pick next year. Every team is going to be careful with this rule because they ALL want leverage next year.

I think technically the rule says you must have a first round draft pick in one of the two upcoming years. So let's say the Jazz traded #14 and #21 this year. They could still, AFTER this year's draft, trade their 2014 first round pick, because at that point they would still have their 2015 first round pick.

Edit: see http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

The rule says that teams are prohibited from trading away first round picks in consecutive years. I think this means that if the Jazz traded away both their picks before the draft then they would be prohibited from trading their first round pick next year which would be 2014. I believe that if the Jazz used their draft picks but traded them after they were drafted, then they could also trade their first round pick next year.