2013 NBA Draft--- 2nd Round Draft Options.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I really want Withey. I'd love to trade both picks to move up in a range to get him. I think he's going to be the best rim protector in this draft from day 1, with Dieng close behind and Noel eclipsing both in time.

I like Muscala. I think he's going to come into the league and be Jason Smith though--being a guy who is below average on D and on the glass but knocks down the elbow jumper everytime you execute the pick and pop nicely. That's not a bad thing to have at all, it's better than anyone we have off the bench, but I think having a 7 foot rim protector in Withey is a lot more valuable.

Ideally I'd like to move Seraphin, Singleton and a TPE for a three team swap with the Rockets in order to get Thomas Robinson. Say a swap with San Antonio, who would get more use out of coaching up Singleton and Seraphin than any pick they get at #28. A frontcourt rotation of Nene,Okafor, T-Rob, and Withey is going to be the most physical in the league.

Say no to Jeff Withey. I understand that no one would be drafting Withey for offense, but it's still worth mentioning that he's a black hole offensively, especially at the pro level. But here's my problem for him on defense... yes, he's long and can block shots. But he's a twig, and it shows.

Last year he was matched up with Kimmie English from the Pistons (a relatively weak and thin guy who arguably lacks the size to play SG in the NBA and scores most of his points on the perimeter) because of a strange guard-heavy Mizzou roster. They played 2 games against each other that year.

Withey Game 1: 0 points (0-1), 4 rebounds, 1 block
Withey Game 2: 2 points (1-1), 1 rebound

Again, his calling card is his defense, not his offense, but come ON. He's being defended by a 6'4" 190 pound perimeter player. He couldn't manage to even get up more than 1 shot in either of those games, or get more than 1 offensive rebound in that first game? Wow.

I won't judge him for the numbers English put up on him on the other side of the ball, because no NBA center would be able to keep up with an NBA SG (and I'm not sure, but kU might have let TRob guard Kimmie and Withey stay down low on D, can't remember).

Withey has progressed some since last year, to be fair, and it's only 2 games, but wow, they left a lasting impression on me. That is absolutely pitiful.

There were a few times where the shorter Romero Osby looked like the stronger of the two when they matched up this past seaosn.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Here's a writeup on Southerland and Thomas after their workout for the Wizards...

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/6/ ... ds-workout

[queridiculo]

Anybody really think we're actually going to use those picks? Sold off to the highest bidder.

[doclinkin]

Draft and stash Livio Jean-Charles. Take Isaiah Canaan. I'd be happy with either move.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Canaan is going first round, IMO.

If he's there in round 2 he's a steal.

[doclinkin]

With #54 I'd take Elias Harris as a draft and stash. He's a grinder, hard worker who will have a job waiting for him in Europe, with his German passport and international ball experience. He will improve and gain a significant role on EuroCup contenders, adding range etc. while drilling fundamentals and playing smart. No doubt in my mind he'll have a successful Euro career, and may be a useful instant-veteran to add at some point if the logjam of underproducing frontcourt players is thinned.

[hands11]

Original thread has quickly become the Anthony Bennett thread, so I just created this one for separate discussion concerning the later round prospects of this draft class. Hope this won't be an issue.


Every draft there are certain players who when drafted by another team leaves me feeling a little bit deflated, these are my top three with Thomas as my darkhorse 2nd rounder.


1. Jackie Carmichael---Illinois State--- I really like Jackie Carmichael, believe he is the type of player the Wizards were trying to land when they began the rebuild in toughening up in the interior when they drafted both Kevin Seraphin and Trevor Booker. Has inside game, is a physically strong player, can hit the open shot, rebounds, and defends the paint. But what stood out to me as much as anything was his maturity. Just comes off as NBA ready. Believe he could replace Trevor Booker very easily. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jac ... rview-4224

2. [b]Mike Muscala[/b]----Bucknell---I don't think Muscala has the same impact at center in the NBA as he did in college as many people seem to but I do think his value skyrockets as a PF for the Wizards. He'd provide length, paint presence and rebounding---two things Vesely does not. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mik ... rview-4226

Not sure what hasn't been said but these are two of my targets.

Muscala from a while ago but as a S4 center hybrid.
Carmichael for at least the last mouth. A real PF type with power and athleticism and center skills.

Carmichael would be an awesome pick up. He is exactly what we need if Kevin isn't going to play like he already can. Currently in the Wizards range when they pick and currently their pick on draftx Not that that means anything. Still haven't seen him on their schedule for work out with sucks.

Erik Murphy - S$
Colton Iverson - Just a big body reserve Center. Good for center depth.

Romero Osby - I like this guy. Seems like a great fit.
Forward - 6'8 - 232 lbs
Oklahoma - Sr. - 23 years old
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Should be a Muscala interview posted by Monday since they are working him out today.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

[hands11]

Dat, I didn't see any weakness from Withey on the defensive end. Do you have any clips? I ask out of genuine honesty because he seemed to stand his ground really well and seemed to be a Hibbert like force at the college level.

Withey was has a volleyball background. Ever efficient at blocking without fouling. He still needs to get stronger. Not a guy you draft as a future starter exactly but someone you take because of a know skill you want. He can also rebound pretty well.

He was on of my early targets and then I added Dieng to the list. But I haven't really been focused on either much lately. Hard to see them landing on the Wizards.

Christian Watford, SF, Indiana (No. 84).
http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/index.php/ext ... 1_o9l2nfep

[Ruzious]

Original thread has quickly become the Anthony Bennett thread, so I just created this one for separate discussion concerning the later round prospects of this draft class. Hope this won't be an issue.


Every draft there are certain players who when drafted by another team leaves me feeling a little bit deflated, these are my top three with Thomas as my darkhorse 2nd rounder.


1. Jackie Carmichael---Illinois State--- I really like Jackie Carmichael, believe he is the type of player the Wizards were trying to land when they began the rebuild in toughening up in the interior when they drafted both Kevin Seraphin and Trevor Booker. Has inside game, is a physically strong player, can hit the open shot, rebounds, and defends the paint. But what stood out to me as much as anything was his maturity. Just comes off as NBA ready. Believe he could replace Trevor Booker very easily. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jac ... rview-4224

2. [b]Mike Muscala[/b]----Bucknell---I don't think Muscala has the same impact at center in the NBA as he did in college as many people seem to but I do think his value skyrockets as a PF for the Wizards. He'd provide length, paint presence and rebounding---two things Vesely does not. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mik ... rview-4226

Not sure what hasn't been said but these are two of my targets.

Muscala from a while ago but as a S4 center hybrid.
Carmichael for at least the last mouth. A real PF type with power and athleticism and center skills.

Carmichael would be an awesome pick up. He is exactly what we need if Kevin isn't going to play like he already can. Currently in the Wizards range when they pick and currently their pick on draftx Not that that means anything. Still haven't seen him on their schedule for work out with sucks.

Erik Murphy - S$
Colton Iverson - Just a big body reserve Center. Good for center depth.

Romero Osby - I like this guy. Seems like a great fit.
Forward - 6'8 - 232 lbs
Oklahoma - Sr. - 23 years old
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Should be a Muscala interview posted by Monday since they are working him out today.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Real good value choices in Muscala and Carmichael. I think they'd be a real nice combo - as they get stronger. Of course, we won't get them, but that's another story. What AWIZ said rings true about that deflating feeling after players you like get taken by other teams. I'm prepared to get that feeling a few times during draft night.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

[fishercob]

Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

The guy didn't miss a shot in his entire one-minute workout.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

The guy didn't miss a shot in his entire one-minute workout.

No need to be snarky. I was talking about the wide array of shots that he displayed. I bet Wall couldn't make those in his rookie year lol

[fishercob]

Peyton Siva's jumpshot looked pretty consistent in his workout video
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

The guy didn't miss a shot in his entire one-minute workout.

No need to be snarky. I was talking about the wide array of shots that he displayed. I bet Wall couldn't make those in his rookie year lol

No harm intended, Danny. Just kidding around.

[sfam]

I don't hold Muscala in the same high regard as others do. The time I saw him play, he really did not respond well to physicality. That scares me. What's going to stop players from simply out muscling him at either the 4 or 5? I don't think he's got the strength to hold up and considering he's almost 22, I wonder about his ability to adjust or add strength to his frame.

I have similar issues with Withey. Being a relatively weak 22 yr old playing C doesn't give me alot of optimism about being anything more than being the 4th or 5th big off a team's bench.

My favorite pick would be Isaiah Canaan. I think he's a steal as a 2nd rounder and potentially a very solid backup on the next level. Pierre Jackson is probably my backup choice at this stage.

Muscala seems to me to be a guy that could blow out very early, or might develop enough muscle and skill that he might be able to contribute in 2-3 years. In no way does he seem to be a sure thing though. If we draft him, I hope we put him into the D-League. In terms of selection I think we may be better off finding an impactful combo guard in the 2nd round.

[Dat2U]

With #54 I'd take Elias Harris as a draft and stash. He's a grinder, hard worker who will have a job waiting for him in Europe, with his German passport and international ball experience. He will improve and gain a significant role on EuroCup contenders, adding range etc. while drilling fundamentals and playing smart. No doubt in my mind he'll have a successful Euro career, and may be a useful instant-veteran to add at some point if the logjam of underproducing frontcourt players is thinned.

Were on the same page. I absolutely love Canaan in the 2nd if we can get him. He was a stud for 3 years until this year where he tried to do too much because the cupboard was bare this year at Murray St but he'll standout as a quality backup PG IMO. I give him a solid 1st round grade. And I like Harris as a stretch 4 in small ball scenarios. He really had a nice bounce back year alongside Olynyk. Harris doesn't have quite the skill of a typical 3 but as a stretch 4 I think he offers versatility and the ability to defend other stretch 4s.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Original thread has quickly become the Anthony Bennett thread, so I just created this one for separate discussion concerning the later round prospects of this draft class. Hope this won't be an issue.


Every draft there are certain players who when drafted by another team leaves me feeling a little bit deflated, these are my top three with Thomas as my darkhorse 2nd rounder.


1. Jackie Carmichael---Illinois State--- I really like Jackie Carmichael, believe he is the type of player the Wizards were trying to land when they began the rebuild in toughening up in the interior when they drafted both Kevin Seraphin and Trevor Booker. Has inside game, is a physically strong player, can hit the open shot, rebounds, and defends the paint. But what stood out to me as much as anything was his maturity. Just comes off as NBA ready. Believe he could replace Trevor Booker very easily. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jac ... rview-4224

2. [b]Mike Muscala[/b]----Bucknell---I don't think Muscala has the same impact at center in the NBA as he did in college as many people seem to but I do think his value skyrockets as a PF for the Wizards. He'd provide length, paint presence and rebounding---two things Vesely does not. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mik ... rview-4226

Not sure what hasn't been said but these are two of my targets.

Muscala from a while ago but as a S4 center hybrid.
Carmichael for at least the last mouth. A real PF type with power and athleticism and center skills.

Carmichael would be an awesome pick up. He is exactly what we need if Kevin isn't going to play like he already can. Currently in the Wizards range when they pick and currently their pick on draftx Not that that means anything. Still haven't seen him on their schedule for work out with sucks.

Erik Murphy - S$
Colton Iverson - Just a big body reserve Center. Good for center depth.

Romero Osby - I like this guy. Seems like a great fit.
Forward - 6'8 - 232 lbs
Oklahoma - Sr. - 23 years old
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Should be a Muscala interview posted by Monday since they are working him out today.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

I like Osby too I just don't know he impacts the Wizards greatly. That's what I got when I watched him. Really don't like the thought of having another undersized PF on the roster if he isn't dynamic.

I hope Muscala interviews well and makes a strong impression with the coaches. I think the Wizards are in desparate need of a big man who can consistently make his free throws.

I didn't get a chance to watch a whole lot of Iverson but I know he's a good rebounder.

[hands11]

Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

[rockymac52]

Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Hmmm. Now that wasnt all that impressive.
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Wow. I don't want to put too much stock into a 2 minute workout video, but man, I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED. Muscala looked very thin and uncomfortable out there, both on offense and defense. And it's not like he was going up against decent competition even.

He isn't the most athletic player, he can get up and down the court okay, he's a half court type of player. Still believe he has value at PF with his size despite his frame.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Original thread has quickly become the Anthony Bennett thread, so I just created this one for separate discussion concerning the later round prospects of this draft class. Hope this won't be an issue.


Every draft there are certain players who when drafted by another team leaves me feeling a little bit deflated, these are my top three with Thomas as my darkhorse 2nd rounder.


1. Jackie Carmichael---Illinois State--- I really like Jackie Carmichael, believe he is the type of player the Wizards were trying to land when they began the rebuild in toughening up in the interior when they drafted both Kevin Seraphin and Trevor Booker. Has inside game, is a physically strong player, can hit the open shot, rebounds, and defends the paint. But what stood out to me as much as anything was his maturity. Just comes off as NBA ready. Believe he could replace Trevor Booker very easily. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jac ... rview-4224

2. [b]Mike Muscala[/b]----Bucknell---I don't think Muscala has the same impact at center in the NBA as he did in college as many people seem to but I do think his value skyrockets as a PF for the Wizards. He'd provide length, paint presence and rebounding---two things Vesely does not. http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Mik ... rview-4226

Not sure what hasn't been said but these are two of my targets.

Muscala from a while ago but as a S4 center hybrid.
Carmichael for at least the last mouth. A real PF type with power and athleticism and center skills.

Carmichael would be an awesome pick up. He is exactly what we need if Kevin isn't going to play like he already can. Currently in the Wizards range when they pick and currently their pick on draftx Not that that means anything. Still haven't seen him on their schedule for work out with sucks.

Erik Murphy - S$
Colton Iverson - Just a big body reserve Center. Good for center depth.

Romero Osby - I like this guy. Seems like a great fit.
Forward - 6'8 - 232 lbs
Oklahoma - Sr. - 23 years old
http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

Should be a Muscala interview posted by Monday since they are working him out today.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... ec17ed0000

When I think stretch 4, I think Nowitzki or Villanueva. I don't see Muscala as a stretch four even, just a PF with good mid range shooting ability. I'd feel a lot better with Muscala taking outside shots than Booker.