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Re: This proves harden is way too selfish 

Post#21 » by Slava » Thu Jun 6, 2013 7:36 pm

spolgar wrote:To be fair, the triangle is about spacing. The bulls did it with Luc Longley and Bill Cartwright. You can say both of them are more offensively polished than Dwight... OMG...

Nevermind. No triangle for us.


Jordan was the post up threat and Pippen was no slouch either. Kind of similar to how we ran the triangle in 2008 with Kobe & Gasol.
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Re: This proves harden is way too selfish 

Post#22 » by spolgar » Sat Jun 8, 2013 12:30 pm

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spolgar wrote:To be fair, the triangle is about spacing. The bulls did it with Luc Longley and Bill Cartwright. You can say both of them are more offensively polished than Dwight... OMG...

Nevermind. No triangle for us.


Jordan was the post up threat and Pippen was no slouch either. Kind of similar to how we ran the triangle in 2008 with Kobe & Gasol.


It depended on the year. When PJ finally began to get Jordan to use the triangle properly, Jordan bemoaned that the offense really only let him shoot jumpers in many of the options.

I think Jordan as a post up threat really came into being coming back from his second retirement where Tim Grover had his work cut out for him to change MJ's body from one being a baseball-ish body back to a basketball body. Jordan subsequently changed his game and adjusted about as well as anyone could have.
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Re: This proves harden is way too selfish 

Post#23 » by moofs » Sat Jun 8, 2013 2:59 pm

madbucky wrote:It's still partially McHale's fault for allowing and enabling Harden to continue to do it. It's the coach's responsibility to hold players accountable for not following the plays or not playing defense, and McHale has not done that

I am not exactly an expert in the art of war but I don't know how much McHale actually has power to do that. It is an open fact that Harden is the best player on the team right now and will be a franchise player moving forward for the next several years. As such McHale has very little leverage with which to bench him or with which to call plays to shift the focus away from him as that would just disgruntle Harden and make it so that he was not a fan of either the team the coach or both. Either of those would result likely in McHale being fired.

Basically I am trying to say I don't see any way in which McHale could possibly hold Harden accountable for breaking plays and trying to hero ball. His Best option is likely to continue trying to work to convince Harden to not do that and to try and train him when he screws up.

On the bright side, it was just Harden's first year as a go-to player.
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Re: This proves harden is way too selfish 

Post#24 » by spolgar » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:20 pm

moofs wrote:
madbucky wrote:It's still partially McHale's fault for allowing and enabling Harden to continue to do it. It's the coach's responsibility to hold players accountable for not following the plays or not playing defense, and McHale has not done that

I am not exactly an expert in the art of war but I don't know how much McHale actually has power to do that. It is an open fact that Harden is the best player on the team right now and will be a franchise player moving forward for the next several years. As such McHale has very little leverage with which to bench him or with which to call plays to shift the focus away from him as that would just disgruntle Harden and make it so that he was not a fan of either the team the coach or both. Either of those would result likely in McHale being fired.

Basically I am trying to say I don't see any way in which McHale could possibly hold Harden accountable for breaking plays and trying to hero ball. His Best option is likely to continue trying to work to convince Harden to not do that and to try and train him when he screws up.

On the bright side, it was just Harden's first year as a go-to player.


At the end of the day, to orchestrate something that involves many pieces moving together in the final seconds of regulations take massive amounts of practice and on court chemistry. We didn't have those qualities yet. Very, very few teams get good enough to do it.

Besides, regardless of the players involved, the best player generally initiates the offense in the final seconds of a tight game. That's been the way its been done 9 out of 10 times in crunch time for as long as I can remember. It's not selfish, it's not wanting glory. To take and make the final play is the best players responsibility. If the opportunity failed to materialize, it is understandable that the player would like to do it over again.
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Re: This proves harden is way too selfish 

Post#25 » by 2Harden2Handle » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:46 am

I was so frustrated watching Harden's ego get the best of him in late game opportunities, he would blatantly shoo away screens that McHale called for then hero-ball. With that being said, I think Harden was even better than Kobe this year (and that's saying alot because Kobe played very well offensively), and if anyone here was one of the best offensive forces in the NBA I bet he would probably have an ego too.

He's 23, he has alot of smarter ball ahead of him, and already I think he's the best SG in the league.
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