Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

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Exactly! If Ersan was an All-star in waiting he'd at least be a starter on a crappy team. His stats are padded by going against the opposition's scrubs. He's not even able to break the starting line and we're giving up the #3 pick for him??? EG, take a chance and use the pick. Take someone who has a chance to be special, and is probably already starter quality.

I think you are confusing Ersan with someone else. He started most of his games the last 3 years and played last year with a Jennings/Ellis backcourt who took a combined 33 shots per game.

We had two first rounders in 2011 and wound up with 2 bums. But at the time many people here were reluctant to trade them because of their perceived value. You have to consider who is making the picks when judging their value.

I am not saying this deal is a no-brainer (especially since we don't know the other players/picks involved) but to completely dismiss it is ridiculous. There are no Tier 1 players in this draft.

Ah, you're right. He started 54 games last year (although he only started 41 and 34 the previous years). While I agree EG generally sucks at later picks, he doesn't seem to blow the easy ones. EG will blow the #15, but probably won't mess up on #3. Ersan can score, but doesn't seem great on rebounds, steals or blocks. I just think we're far better off taking the risk that the #3 will be a bust, but might be something special, vice trading for Ersan. Getting a core player on a rookie deal seems like a better option.

[tontoz]

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Exactly! If Ersan was an All-star in waiting he'd at least be a starter on a crappy team. His stats are padded by going against the opposition's scrubs. He's not even able to break the starting line and we're giving up the #3 pick for him??? EG, take a chance and use the pick. Take someone who has a chance to be special, and is probably already starter quality.

I think you are confusing Ersan with someone else. He started most of his games the last 3 years and played last year with a Jennings/Ellis backcourt who took a combined 33 shots per game.

We had two first rounders in 2011 and wound up with 2 bums. But at the time many people here were reluctant to trade them because of their perceived value. You have to consider who is making the picks when judging their value.

I am not saying this deal is a no-brainer (especially since we don't know the other players/picks involved) but to completely dismiss it is ridiculous. There are no Tier 1 players in this draft.

Ah, you're right. He started 54 games last year (although he only started 41 and 34 the previous years). While I agree EG generally sucks at later picks, he doesn't seem to blow the easy ones. EG will blow the #15, but probably won't mess up on #3. Ersan can score, but doesn't seem great on rebounds, steals or blocks. I just think we're far better off taking the risk that the #3 will be a bust, but might be something special, vice trading for Ersan. Getting a core player on a rookie deal seems like a better option.

You are wrong there. Ersan is a strong rebounder, especially condering he played the 3 a lot. he would immediately become the 2nd best rebounder on this team.

And the previous season when he started 41 games was the lockout shortened season. He played 60 of the 66 games.

[Deeptu McPullup]

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This is Kyler from Poopsworld, so it's not a great source, but not awful either.

Do they fancy Bennie McLemons?

Spoiler:

No

[nate33]

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This is Kyler from Poopsworld, so it's not a great source, but not awful either.

Do they fancy Bennie McLemons?

Spoiler:

No

In his mock draft, he has Porter going #1, Dipo going #2, Len going #3, and Noel going #4. That's about the craziest mock I've seen.

If the Cavs to take Porter, I'm not seeing Noel slipping all the way to #4. Orlando will take him at #2 or we will take him at #3. I'd be perfectly happy with Noel. He'll take a while to develop, but he could be a legit game changer rather than merely a surefire capable starter like Porter.

If Seraphin ever figures out how to handle double teams, Noel and Seraphin could form a formidable frontcourt 2 or 3 years from now. They complement each other perfectly. Noel handles the help defense and the defensive rebounding. Seraphin covers the primary post option. Offensively, Seraphin would be the primary post threat and the pick and pop guy with Noel just crashing the glass on the weak side.

[nuposse04]

Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

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Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

There's no way they add those two. They see Henson and Sanders starting, and are looking for a wing to complement them. That would negate the purpose of the trade.

[pancakes3]

Between Dunleavy and Luc, I don't think Ilyasova played too much SF. I really like Ilyasova. He's shooting 44-45% from 3. He gets rebounds, he sets screens, and 18/8 per36 on 55-557 TS% is the modern 20/10 especially when that guy is playing with Brandon Jennings at point. I don't see any PF in the draft that can match what Ilyasova can provide - Bennett included. If we really are in talks for this trade, I for one am optimistic. If we can dump our garbage players like Ves and Seraphin? All the better.

[Deeptu McPullup]

If the Cavs to take Porter, I'm not seeing Noel slipping all the way to #4. Orlando will take him at #2 or we will take him at #3. I'd be perfectly happy with Noel. He'll take a while to develop, but he could be a legit game changer rather than merely a surefire capable starter like Porter.

My first thought as well.

If Seraphin ever figures out how to handle double teams, Noel and Seraphin could form a formidable frontcourt 2 or 3 years from now. They complement each other perfectly. Noel handles the help defense and the defensive rebounding. Seraphin covers the primary post option. Offensively, Seraphin would be the primary post threat and the pick and pop guy with Noel just crashing the glass on the weak side.

I was thinking this too, though I reverse engineered it accidentally! Given that Wall and Beal will be expensive sooner and Noel later, I was wondering what sort of a player would be an appropriate bargain basement complement at the four or five. Not someone like Marc Gasol, who'd be great but break the bank, but rather a knockoff complement.

I came up with "well, maybe someone like Jason Maxiel with a better offensive game". Then I realized, "hey, that's Kevin Seraphin with a clue!" Each guy could cover the others' deficiencies nicely.

The interesting thing with drafting Noel is it gives Seraphin that one last shot as a rotation big while Noel recovers. Then Okafor conveniently comes off the books to where we could commit to Seraphin if he pans out.

It's not a giant chance, but it's definitely a chance. It was encouraging to that CSN story with Seraphin giving the Wittman quote.

[nuposse04]

Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

There's no way they add those two. They see Henson and Sanders starting, and are looking for a wing to complement them. That would negate the purpose of the trade.

Then the trade talks should Die right then and there. I know the Bucks want the better end but we shouldn't willingly present them our butthole. If they aren't willing to part ways with one of them, move on. I know its a lot to ask EG since he seems to enjoy skull **** the franchise with his lack of common sense. The proposed trade doesn't help the Wiz AT ALL long term. Role playing fringe starters aren't top 3 worthy, even in a relatively shallow draft.

[Deeptu McPullup]

Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

I think we'd have to trade up with the Cavs unless Noel slips to 3. I can't see us trading up one slot with the Magic as there's too much room for "oh yeah? Pick him then!" type gamesmanship. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't recall any one slot up-down draft pick trades.

However, if the Cavs really want Porter and they know nobody is going to slip into 2nd and take him, they might prefer to have him at 3. He'd be cheaper and there'd be just that much less pressure on him in addition to whatever assets we gave up. Maybe it's just something like Alonzo Gee for an expiring and our 2nd rounders.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

All this Ilyasova talk, really just seems to me some wishful thinking floated by Milwaukee. IMO the Minnesota deal is more likely.


Really, I just want to come out of the draft with Otto Porter and Erik Murphy.

Is that too much to ask??!


2 skilled mature well coached high effort intelligent players from good programs. I know both of these guys are already friends with Beal. Porter is perfect building block at SF to team with SG Beal and PG Wall. Murphy is prototypical stretch 4 Wall is asking for.

[DCsOwn]

Interesting if true.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/ ... 0448914432

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Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

I think we'd have to trade up with the Cavs unless Noel slips to 3. I can't see us trading up one slot with the Magic as there's too much room for "oh yeah? Pick him then!" type gamesmanship. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't recall any one slot up-down draft pick trades.

However, if the Cavs really want Porter and they know nobody is going to slip into 2nd and take him, they might prefer to have him at 3. He'd be cheaper and there'd be just that much less pressure on him in addition to whatever assets we gave up. Maybe it's just something like Alonzo Gee for an expiring and our 2nd rounders.

I don't think the Cavs give up peanuts for us to move into the #1 spot. If we just hold at #3 and take the best player for our team, we come out ahead, perhaps enough to have a nice core that we can build around for years. I think we totally lucked out by getting the #3 - its a do-over for Vesley. Lets play it simple and just take the pick. Noel, Porter, Bennett, I'm happy if we get one of the three.

[Liverbird]

Draft one of Porter or Noel @3

If both are gone, consider trading down with PHX @5 or MIN @9 for one of Len, Zeller, McCollum, Bennett. Not a huge fan of Bennett @3.

PHX trades #5 + incentive for #3. Why for PHX? Guarantee one of the premiere SGs.

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix: (WAS): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Mclemore
5 - Washington (PHX): Bennett, Len, Zeller.

If Mclemore falls to 5, trade down again with MIN @9 + Derek Williams discussed in other threads.

MIN Trade:

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix (via Wizards): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Bennett
5 - Minnesota (via PHX/Wizards): Mclemore
6 - New Orleans: Len
7 - Sacramento: Burke
8 - Detroit: Muhammed
9 - Washington (via Minnesota): Zeller? McCollum?

Is McCollum + Williams better than Porter/Noel?

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Interesting if true.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/ ... 0448914432

If Noel drops down to the 6th pick, as Sam indicates on a follow-on tweet:

https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/343754571144892416

This will test how much the Wizards really like Bennett, or whether that was just smoke. If Noel drops, its almost assured the Cavs take Porter (I guess they could take Len), which would leave us Bennett. If they don't really like Bennett, than the Ersan trade becomes a real possibility.

EDIT: Or the DWill + #9 trade.

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Draft one of Porter or Noel @3

If both are gone, consider trading down with PHX @5 or MIN @9 for one of Len, Zeller, McCollum, Bennett

PHX Trade: Why for PHX? Guarantee one of the premiere SGs

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix: (WAS): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Mclemore
5 - Washington (PHX): Bennett, Len, Zeller.

Phx trades #5 + incentive for #3

If Mclemore falls to 5, trade down again with MIN @9 + Derek Williams discussed in other threads.

MIN Trade:

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix (via Wizards): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Bennett
5 - Minnesota (via PHX/Wizards): Mclemore
6 - New Orleans: Len
7 - Sacramento: Burke
8 - Detroit: Muhammed
9 - Washington (via Minnesota): Zeller? McCollum?

Is McCollum + Williams better than Porter/Noel?

The question though is what would Phoenix give us that would make this worth it?

[stevemcqueen1]

Yeah if Porter really does go number 1 overall then we should move every asset to ensure we get noel. More reason that EG shouldn't give this travesty of an Ersan trade time of day unless Sanders/Henson is included.

I think we'd have to trade up with the Cavs unless Noel slips to 3. I can't see us trading up one slot with the Magic as there's too much room for "oh yeah? Pick him then!" type gamesmanship. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I can't recall any one slot up-down draft pick trades.

However, if the Cavs really want Porter and they know nobody is going to slip into 2nd and take him, they might prefer to have him at 3. He'd be cheaper and there'd be just that much less pressure on him in addition to whatever assets we gave up. Maybe it's just something like Alonzo Gee for an expiring and our 2nd rounders.

The Magic could trade the second pick to someone else though.

It could make sense for them to take Noel then we can work out a trade after the fact with the guy they want us to pick at 3. Perhaps they make their deal for Eric Bledsoe in a three team swap?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Porter & Noel go #1 and #2, I'd probably do #3, Vesely, and Seraphin for Ilyasova and #15. Hmmm.... not even sure about that.

No need to give them Seraphin. It works with just Vesely and Singleton as salary ballast.

If the deal ends up Vesely, Singleton, #3 for Ilyasova, #15. I will say the deal might work out depending on who the #15 pick is.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ers ... /Bests/128
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bile=false

Ilyasova might be up to three years older than his listed 26 years of age.

His ability to stretch the floor would work very well with Wall's slashing ability. His offense with decent rebounding at his contract amount make him a bargain. He's a stretch four Wall would like.

The deal would be better for Milwaukee. It still could also be good if Washington found a quality, future starter at 15, which is very possible.

[Liverbird]

DP

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CCJ, the question is as you stated, who would you take at 15?
Jamaal Franklin? Dieng? Schroeder? I'm not that crazy about any of those players.