Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[Liverbird]

Draft one of Porter or Noel @3

If both are gone, consider trading down with PHX @5 or MIN @9 for one of Len, Zeller, McCollum, Bennett

PHX Trade: Why for PHX? Guarantee one of the premiere SGs

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix: (WAS): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Mclemore
5 - Washington (PHX): Bennett, Len, Zeller.

Phx trades #5 + incentive for #3

If Mclemore falls to 5, trade down again with MIN @9 + Derek Williams discussed in other threads.

MIN Trade:

1 - Cleveland: Porter
2 - Orlando: Noel
3 - Phoenix (via Wizards): Oladipo
4 - Charlotte: Bennett
5 - Minnesota (via PHX/Wizards): Mclemore
6 - New Orleans: Len
7 - Sacramento: Burke
8 - Detroit: Muhammed
9 - Washington (via Minnesota): Zeller? McCollum?

Is McCollum + Williams better than Porter/Noel?

The question though is what would Phoenix give us that would make this worth it?

Something around #30 and our 2nd round picks?

[sfam]

Something around #30 and our 2nd round picks?

Wait, so you're saying the Wizards should trade the #3, #38 and #54 for the #5 and #30? That really doesn't seem like very much to me. I'd rather stay pat at #3 and then try to move up slightly with the #38 and #54.

[Liverbird]

Something around #30 and our 2nd round picks?

Wait, so you're saying the Wizards should trade the #3, #38 and #54 for the #5 and #30? That really doesn't seem like very much to me. I'd rather stay pat at #3 and then try to move up slightly with the #38 and #54.

We don't have to include anything just make it #5 & #30 for #3. Just saying there are options on our side. Then trade 30, 38, and 54 to move up in the first.

[truwizfan4evr]

Something around #30 and our 2nd round picks?

Wait, so you're saying the Wizards should trade the #3, #38 and #54 for the #5 and #30? That really doesn't seem like very much to me. I'd rather stay pat at #3 and then try to move up slightly with the #38 and #54.

We don't have to include anything just make it #5 & #30 for #3. Just saying there are options on our side. Then trade 30, 38, and 54 to move up in the first.

Bad deal!

[gambitx777]

The morris twins #5 for Jan and chris, #3
So, then we take BPA, Bennet or Len, Adams or Oladipo. Noel if he possibly falls that far. Use our seconds to address wing positions. we take 2 of James Ennis, Peyton Siva, Pierre Jackson, Nate Walters, Ricky Ledo, Deshaun Thomas, Lorenzo Brown, Isaiah Canaan or Ray McCallum. Any of those guys would help our wing and guard depth.

[mhd]

Porter & Noel go #1 and #2, I'd probably do #3, Vesely, and Seraphin for Ilyasova and #15. Hmmm.... not even sure about that.

No need to give them Seraphin. It works with just Vesely and Singleton as salary ballast.

If the deal ends up Vesely, Singleton, #3 for Ilyasova, #15. I will say the deal might work out depending on who the #15 pick is.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ers ... /Bests/128
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bile=false

Ilyasova might be up to three years older than his listed 26 years of age.

His ability to stretch the floor would work very well with Wall's slashing ability. His offense with decent rebounding at his contract amount make him a bargain. He's a stretch four Wall would like.

The deal would be better for Milwaukee. It still could also be good if Washington found a quality, future starter at 15, which is very possible.

Ryan Anderson is only 25. NO would love to add another top pick. Ves+Singleton+Booker+#3 for Anderson+Rivers is a far better deal than the Illyasova deal. There are no age concerns with Anderson. I'd rather not trade the 3rd pick, but if EG is going to do his stupid trades again, I'd rather have Ryan Anderson than Ersan Illyasova.

[truwizfan4evr]

The morris twins #5 for Jan and chris, #3
So, then we take BPA, Bennet or Len, Adams or Oladipo. Noel if he possibly falls that far. Use our seconds to address wing positions. we take 2 of James Ennis, Peyton Siva, Pierre Jackson, Nate Walters, Ricky Ledo, Deshaun Thomas, Lorenzo Brown, Isaiah Canaan or Ray McCallum. Any of those guys would help our wing and guard depth.

Hell no to Morris twins there scrubs.

[truwizfan4evr]

No need to give them Seraphin. It works with just Vesely and Singleton as salary ballast.

If the deal ends up Vesely, Singleton, #3 for Ilyasova, #15. I will say the deal might work out depending on who the #15 pick is.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ers ... /Bests/128
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bile=false

Ilyasova might be up to three years older than his listed 26 years of age.

His ability to stretch the floor would work very well with Wall's slashing ability. His offense with decent rebounding at his contract amount make him a bargain. He's a stretch four Wall would like.

The deal would be better for Milwaukee. It still could also be good if Washington found a quality, future starter at 15, which is very possible.

Ryan Anderson is only 25. NO would love to add another top pick. Ves+Singleton+Booker+#3 for Anderson+Rivers is a far better deal than the Illyasova deal. There are no age concerns with Anderson. I'd rather not trade the 3rd pick, but if EG is going to do his stupid trades again, I'd rather have Ryan Anderson than Ersan Illyasova.

Perfect deal for wizards

[montestewart]

CCJ, the question is as you stated, who would you take at 15?
Jamaal Franklin? Dieng? Schroeder? I'm not that crazy about any of those players.

Yeah, I'm getting a little worried about the idea that this trade could net the Wizards zero long term pieces, while adding more long term salary. I'd feel better about the risk if they somehow got an additional 1st next year (protected OK, but not projected to be too low) to go with the 15 this year, though I have no idea where the Bucks could come up with that pick or which 3rd team might make that work.

[gambitx777]

Ok so the Morris twins are scrubs but rivers is Ok lol. Rivers will never amount to Jack, at least the Morris twins are developing, they at least deserve to be on the court.

The Morris twins are better than Jan and Chris. and we still get to keep a top 5 pick.

we get the Morris twins who are developing well, Len, Bennett, Adams, or Olynyk or Zeller and we use our second round picks on guard and wing depth. Thats a really nice haul.

[truwizfan4evr]

Ok so the Morris twins are scrubs but rivers is Ok lol. Rivers will never amount to Jack, at least the Morris twins are developing, they at least deserve to be on the court.

The Morris twins are better than Jan and Chris. and we still get to keep a top 5 pick.

we get the Morris twins who are developing well, Len, Bennett, Adams, or Olynyk or Zeller and we use our second round picks on guard and wing depth. Thats a really nice haul.

I said perfect cause of Ryan Anderson in the deal Rivers would be a nice bench player for us at least. Anderson is a very good player he is just 25 years old and we would be a very scary team in east with are core guys.

[AFM]

truewizfan4evr, maybe you haven't been up on Austin's production lately, but he was statistically the worst player in the NBA last year. He's beyond awful. He had a PER of 5.

[mhd]

I wouldn't like my Ryan Anderson deal, BUT

Anderson+Rivers>>Illyasova+15

Anderson JUST turned 25, is a perfect stretch PF, and RIvers (even though he had a PUTRID rookie season) at leat MIGHT fill our combo guard hole.

[truwizfan4evr]

truewizfan4evr, maybe you haven't been up on Austin's production lately, but he was statistically the worst player in the NBA last year. He's beyond awful. He had a PER of 5.

I'm aware on his production we are doing the deal for Anderson not for rivers. If he had to be involved then we have to take him on and maybe his game will improve this year in a new system?.

[mhd]

If EG is hell bent on trading down to get more vets, than what about #3+Ves+Singleton for Thornton+#7? Wiz take Zeller (unless Len falls) and hope he pans out as a PF at 7. Thornton is a perfect combo guard.

[Dark Faze]

Can we keep the Ilyasova talk to the trade thread?

I really hope we just pick Porter.

[gambitx777]

agreed, i Like porter and will be fine taking him at 3

[TGW]

Have we brought in anyone in that #15 range that would indicAte that this rumor has any validity? If we start seeing guys in that range coming in for a workout then we can start taking the rumor seriously.

[The Consiglieri]

How about what I want versus what I expect type post?

What I want:

1. Noel
2. Bennett
3. Porter

Zero reason to trade down unless we can guarantee one of the 3 which is unlikely and unwarranted.

What I expect:

1. Porter if Noel and whatever go 1-2.
2. Bennett if Porter goes 1 and Noel goes 2.
3. Noel if Porter goes 1, I think.
4. Len is the surprise pick with Porter off the board, or Porter and Noel off the board.

The only thing that I'm really not anywhere near confident in is our interest in Noel. I've heard literally nothing about what we think of Noel, other than Ford having us take Noel if we landed #1 (which he'd only do if that was his understanding of our action).

Honestly, my expectation that I'm abou 85% confident in is that we'll draft Porter (about 65% chance if Cleveland doesn't take him), Bennett (about 75% chance if Porter is gone), Noel (about 5-10% chance if he falls to us), or Len (about 15-20% chance if Porter is gone). I really think it's highly, highly unlikely we trade down.

I think it's good for us to suggest what we want, but also good to note what we expect to happen and go on record about how we feel about it.

As such my expectation in likelihood is:
1. Porter
2. Bennett
3. Noel
4. Len

My preference in that scenario is:
1. Noel
2. Bennett
3. Porter
4. Trade down for Len

[truwizfan4evr]

Have we brought in anyone in that #15 range that would indicAte that this rumor has any validity? If we start seeing guys in that range coming in for a workout then we can start taking the rumor seriously.

When porter comes and work out for us and does well i think all of the trade rumors will die down and he would are choice witch I'm fine with.