Miguel Cabrera is better than everyone.

[TyCobb]

For the record, Trout should be hitting third already, but it's not going to happen when you signed Pujols and Hamilton to bloated contracts.

[bigboy1234]

Lettuce b cereal, Mygal iz a .189 career hitter in WS games.

[Zeitgeister]

I'm not discounting any other part of the game at all. Trout being better than Cabrera on the basepaths or in the field has absolutely no bearing on how they compare as hitters which is the point I specifically addressed. It's ironic that you accuse me of downplaying something that has nothing to do with hitting while you downplay RBI's; if you can't hit you get no RBI's. You're also continuing to make your case for Trout by using a number of downplays that ARE directly related to hitting--he started slow, he's a leadoff hitter, if you extrapolate what he's done in 2012-13 because he's not in his prime yet, etc. Cabrera has been doing it for ten years and when it counted last year Cabrera lead his team to the World Series. Trout hit .284 and .257 in August and September last year compared to Cabrera's .357 and .308. That's part of being a great hitter too.

So sorry, I don't think you've made a case that as hitters, they're all that close to each other. If they were, Trout would be hitting third or fourth.

You're right, it doesn't have a bearing on their impact as hitters. But something that all of you Miggy guys seem to want to do, is eliminate those aspects of the game so that things look more in your favor. I'm sorry to tell you but those parts of the game are also very important for position players. Not as important as hitting, but when you have a guy who is a premium defender at an up the middle position versus a corner defender who is below average it's significant.

I've never disagreed that at this moment in time, Cabrera is a better hitter than Trout. He's in his prime, he's 9 years older of course he's a better hitter. Trout finished with a .950 OPS last year and has a .915 OPS so far this year, and that should rise as the year goes on, but we'll see.

It was just brought up, but Trout doesn't determine where he hits in the lineup. He plays with Pujols and Hamilton. He's better than both of them but there's more to it then just putting the best hitter third, there's politics, egos etc.

They are close as hitters. They were quite close as hitters last year. Miggy has been quite a bit better as a hitter this year so far. Still, they are closer as hitters today, then Miggy's best season (so far) is to Bonds in his roids prime.

[TyCobb]

Lettuce b cereal, Mygal iz a .189 career hitter in WS games.

I'm Mays doe.

[Manocad]

I'm not discounting any other part of the game at all. Trout being better than Cabrera on the basepaths or in the field has absolutely no bearing on how they compare as hitters which is the point I specifically addressed. It's ironic that you accuse me of downplaying something that has nothing to do with hitting while you downplay RBI's; if you can't hit you get no RBI's. You're also continuing to make your case for Trout by using a number of downplays that ARE directly related to hitting--he started slow, he's a leadoff hitter, if you extrapolate what he's done in 2012-13 because he's not in his prime yet, etc. Cabrera has been doing it for ten years and when it counted last year Cabrera lead his team to the World Series. Trout hit .284 and .257 in August and September last year compared to Cabrera's .357 and .308. That's part of being a great hitter too.

So sorry, I don't think you've made a case that as hitters, they're all that close to each other. If they were, Trout would be hitting third or fourth.

You're right, it doesn't have a bearing on their impact as hitters. But something that all of you Miggy guys seem to want to do, is eliminate those aspects of the game so that things look more in your favor. I'm sorry to tell you but those parts of the game are also very important for position players. Not as important as hitting, but when you have a guy who is a premium defender at an up the middle position versus a corner defender who is below average it's significant.

I've never disagreed that at this moment in time, Cabrera is a better hitter than Trout. He's in his prime, he's 9 years older of course he's a better hitter. Trout finished with a .950 OPS last year and has a .915 OPS so far this year, and that should rise as the year goes on, but we'll see.

It was just brought up, but Trout doesn't determine where he hits in the lineup. He plays with Pujols and Hamilton. He's better than both of them but there's more to it then just putting the best hitter third, there's politics, egos etc.

They are close as hitters. They were quite close as hitters last year. Miggy has been quite a bit better as a hitter this year so far. Still, they are closer as hitters today, then Miggy's best season (so far) is to Bonds in his roids prime.

I didn't eliminate jacks**t to make my argument more in my favor. I refuted a very specific point, which was that Trout was close to being as good a hitter as Cabrera. It doesn't matter that Trout bats lead off; the fact that he does means you can't say that he could put up the same stats as Cabrera as the third hitter because he hasn't done it. So in that case you're deliberately overlooking the fact that he hasn't done what Cabrera has as a hitter. You admit that Cabrera is a better hitter then say that "they're close." You're the ONLY person saying that. No baseball analyst talking about what a crazy season Cabrera is having is saying, "Yeah, but look at Trout--he's right on his heels." If you think .302/10/38 is "close" to .370/17/65, you've got the fanboy goggles going in full effect.

And Cabrera is a below average third baseman? He's done a far better job there than anyone expected. He hasn't been a liability defensively this year in any way, shape or form. Now you're just spouting the haterade.

So let's just agree that you can keep Trout, and we'll keep Cabrera and the World Series appearances.

[Zeitgeister]

Therre is no haterade, damn. I love Cabrera as a player. He's amazing. That doesn't mean that Trout may very well be the better player when it's said and done. Only a homer would think that couldn't be a distinct possibility. Pujols did more in his prime than Cabrera did. That doesn't mean I don't absolutely love watching Cabrera hit, I do. You're being way too defensive about this.

Cabrera is better this year. I've said that multiple times. Clearly Trout is the better defender and baserunner but because Cabrera has been a sizeably better hitter this year he wins out. Last year, they were close as hitters.

You keep referencing the #3 hitter vs #1 hitter. What would Trout be doing differently if he was batting third? What is it that we'd need to see from him at that spot? I'm thinking you're putting too much stock in RBIs, but I hope I'm wrong.

Also, LOL at your "World Series appearances". Trout's been in the league one year, first of all. Second of all, I don't care about World Series appearances in relation to who I think is the best player in the league.

[DirtyDez]

Miggy is amazing offensively no doubt, but Trout will have a better career, IMO. They're are no flaws in his game.

[Manocad]

Therre is no haterade, damn. I love Cabrera as a player. He's amazing. That doesn't mean that Trout may very well be the better player when it's said and done. Only a homer would think that couldn't be a distinct possibility. Pujols did more in his prime than Cabrera did. That doesn't mean I don't absolutely love watching Cabrera hit, I do. You're being way too defensive about this.

Cabrera is better this year. I've said that multiple times. Clearly Trout is the better defender and baserunner but because Cabrera has been a sizeably better hitter this year he wins out. Last year, they were close as hitters.

You keep referencing the #3 hitter vs #1 hitter. What would Trout be doing differently if he was batting third? What is it that we'd need to see from him at that spot? I'm thinking you're putting too much stock in RBIs, but I hope I'm wrong.

Also, LOL at your "World Series appearances". Trout's been in the league one year, first of all. Second of all, I don't care about World Series appearances in relation to who I think is the best player in the league.

You're clearly trying to spin this into a Cabrera vs. Trout in the sense of who's a better player overall, which was not the point I was addressing. You've admitted that Cabrera is a better hitter, and all I'm saying is that they're not "close" in the sense of hitting. Cabrera is clearly a better hitter than Trout and the stats prove that it's not up for debate.

[Zeitgeister]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

[Quake Griffin]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

who told you that?

[ATL Boy]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

[Zeitgeister]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Uh, no. I'm a Twins fan.

[Zeitgeister]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

who told you that?

I told myself that, but let me clarify. Miggy was better last year, but not a lot better. They were pretty close as hitters last year. This year, Miggy has a pretty significant lead, mainly because Trout had a bad April but there's a lot of baseball left.

Also, let me restate I think the Triple Crown is overrated. Clearly you have to hit well to get it, but Bonds and Pujols have had multiple seasons that were better than what Miggy did last year and never earned the Triple Crown.

[Manocad]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Uh, no. I'm a Twins fan.

Which is why Trout won the triple crown, right?

Let's review...Cabrera hit for a higher average, has MUCH more power, drove in FAR more runs, walked one less time, and struck out FAR less than Trout last year. Explain to me again how he wasn't a much better hitter than Trout last year?

[Zeitgeister]

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Uh, no. I'm a Twins fan.

Which is why Trout won the triple crown, right?

Let's review...Cabrera hit for a higher average, has MUCH more power, drove in FAR more runs, walked one less time, and struck out FAR less than Trout last year. Explain to me again how he wasn't a much a better hitter than Trout last year?[/quote]


Miggy:
BA: .330
OBP: .393
SLG: .606 - Isolated power: .276

Trout
BA: .326
OBP: .399
SLG: .564 - Isolated power: .238

His average was barely higher, Trout had a slightly higher on base percentage and Miggy had a healthy bit more isolated power. But not enough to be significantly better.

RBI is an archaic, mouth breathing stat that is heavily biased towards the team you play on and where you hit in the lineup (Trout batting leadoff vs Miggy batting 3rd). Stop using it.

How many explanations do you need?

P.S. I already told you a number of times I don't care about the Triple Crown, so saying "which is why Trout won the Triple Crown right?" means nothing to me.

[Manocad]

So the stats by which being a good hitter is defined by everyone else mean nothing to you. Got it. 30 HR's vs. 44. I don't know what "isolated power" refers to but anyone with half a brain can see that Trout isn't in Cabrera's universe relative to power.

Your explanation isn't an explanation. You've clearly got some homer love for Trout. Cabrera is being discussed as possibly one of the great hitters all-time. No one talks about Trout in that regard. So give it up; you're wrong, plain and simple.

[Zeitgeister]

Yes, some of the old stats that some of you guys cling to is akin to fundy's who cling to their religion and cast out anything scientific that might conflict with their world view echo chamber.

Isolated power looks at all extra base hits. It takes out batting average from Slugging Percentage and simply looks at pure power output. There's more to power than Home Runs. Home Runs are worth the most, obviously but Doubles and Triples count too.

"Homer love for Trout" LOL

I'm not an Angles fan. Cabrera is a GREAT hitter, and he'll go down as one of the best, not sure where he'd end up exactly. But you seem to have trouble dealing with facts. You're a Detroit Tigers, fan I'm pretty certain of that so it's funny that you would claim I'm the homer!

People are calling Trout the next Mickey Mantle. "No one talks about Trout in that regard" Are you f'ing serious? Educate yourself, seriously.

[Manocad]

No one ever said you were an Angels fan. You're clearly a Trout fan.

The next Mickey Mantle?
Trout has nowhere near the power of Mantle. I don't know who these "people" are you're referring to but they're not anyone I've heard. Maybe Trout's family?

[Zeitgeister]

No one ever said you were an Angels fan. You're clearly a Trout fan.

The next Mickey Mantle?
Trout has nowhere near the power of Mantle. I don't know who these "people" are you're referring to but they're not anyone I've heard. Maybe Trout's family?

LOL Trout hits 30 home runs as a 20 year old in the MLB and all you've done is talk down this guy's power. I don't know if he has 50 home run power. I'm not so sure about that, but multiple 40+ HR seasons could be attainable given his very early success. Honestly, we won't know for years. I mean, even the player you're a fanboy over probably won't hit 50 home runs in a season.


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-o ... key-mantle

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/83921 ... n-magazine

"This guy's Mickey Mantle in a cape with an 'S' on his chest," the scout said.

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/daily-t ... nd-natural
Mike Trout Evokes Mantle And 'The Natural'

http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2013/03/30/mike-trout
and he’s drawing comparisons to the young Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays.

There's a harsh reality for homers like yourself. That reality is that your guy who just won the Triple Crown, a spectacular talent nonetheless may have his career eclipsed by another. It's a terrible fate, really. But you're just going to have to come to grips with it, little buckeroo.

[Manocad]

I like how every article references third parties making comparisons to Mantle but doesn't name them.

What you can't seem to come to grips with is that you can't extrapolate in a comparison between two hitters. Who's a better hitter means who's a better hitter in reality, not who may become what.

Clearly you have Trout's balls nearly down your throat. I don't know why but whatever. I haven't talked Trout down one bit whatsoever. All I've done is present examples as to why he's not the hitter Cabrera is, and all you've done to try to back up your claim that he is was to present a couple of obscure stats, downplay all stats that don't suit your argument, and bring up stats not related to hitting.