Do we sell high on Lind at the trade deadline?

[BigLeagueChew]

What could we get for Lind? Maybe a 5th starter or bullpen arm, or a B level prospect?

[galacticos2]

What could we get for Lind? Maybe a 5th starter or bullpen arm, or a B level prospect?

That depends on who are we dealing with. We'll see during the deadline. We netted Delabar for Thames last year.

[Randle McMurphy]

What could we get for Lind? Maybe a 5th starter or bullpen arm, or a B level prospect?

Perhaps, if he keeps this up. The real benefit would be getting rid of his contract and freeing up money for something else that could be of more use than a platoon DH in the future.

[flatjacket1]

You could, but then your opportunity to dump Lind may be gone when he inevitably regresses or even turns back into the pumpkin he was between from 2010-2012. Have to take advantage of the window while they can.

Well then, 5M off the books is more valuable than a say 20% chance we found a legit DH?

This poor analogy would have worked a bit better without Lawrie's very odd inclusion.

Okay, so your saying trade a guy after he shows he can play right? I don't exactly understand your argument, perhaps it's far too flawed of logic for comprehension.

Lawrie was our 2011 break out star. Unless you consider .293/.373/.580 from a 21 year old 3B with plus defense an average player, which at this point I wouldn't put it past you.

Now your going to try and say "Well look at how he's doing now! That is exactly why we need to trade Lind!" but then I would counter with he's on pace for like 3.2 rWAR for 2013, under the absurd assumption that he is going to continue to bat .209. Oh, and by the way, he's 23 years old.

So there's that for my "poor analogy".

Besides, even if we did trade Lind and he continued to do well; and we were flat out wrong, you'd cry Rogers is cheap for the next decade for trading him for a 28 year old throwing 75 in low-A.

[joseph235]

What could we get for Lind? Maybe a 5th starter or bullpen arm, or a B level prospect?

Perhaps, if he keeps this up. The real benefit would be getting rid of his contract and freeing up money for something else that could be of more use than a platoon DH in the future.

But then your creating a hole at DH. Your not getting another hitter who can smash righties for any less than Lind's salary not to mention that they're not that easy to find. The production from the Dh slot has declined a lot the last few years.

[flatjacket1]

What could we get for Lind? Maybe a 5th starter or bullpen arm, or a B level prospect?

Perhaps, if he keeps this up. The real benefit would be getting rid of his contract and freeing up money for something else that could be of more use than a platoon DH in the future.

If he keeps this up, he will be in an eerily similar situation to Edwin in 2012. There were questions to whether or not they would pick up the 29 year old 2012 option, (Lind is also currently 29) and then he put up .295/.382/.565 with 23 HR's before the AS break, and you are operating under the assumption that Lind posts .342/.423/.523 with 9 HR's and 20 doubles at the AS break.

Both were the exact same age when they had a breakout season. It doesn't take a genius to see he's improved his approach at the plate. Edwin had a worse K/BB ratio in 2012 pre-AS break than Lind does now.

In 17 at bats against lefties this year, Lind has 13 total bases, including a HR. In 0-2 counts he is hitting .407/.429/.741, and with runners on he's hitting .358/.403/.472.

He is using all fields:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player/ada ... =adam-lind

On his 5 homers, the average speed off the bat was 107 MPH, with the average distance being 405 feet (only 1 HR was less than 400). To put that in comparison, Edwin has 104.8 MPH, with average distance being 398.3 feet.

I'm just saying he's hitting the ball hard, and I think he can continue to hit .300+ with around a .500 SLG. That's not a bad hitter.

[Randle McMurphy]

Well then, 5M off the books is more valuable than a say 20% chance we found a legit DH?

Lind can't hit lefties, thereby capping his value and he's coming off of three (yes, three) straight seasons where he was the offensive equivalent of Jeff Francoeur. Remember, this is a guy that was so bad for so long that some on the forum were even clamouring for quad-A scrubs like David Cooper to replace him. You can find the kind of production you can expect from Lind for cheaper than the $7M it will cost to keep him around next year.

Okay, so your saying trade a guy after he shows he can play right? I don't exactly understand your argument, perhaps it's far too flawed of logic for comprehension.

Not sure what is difficult to understand about the concept of selling high. It's not exactly a concept restricted to baseball. Nor am I the only one here suggesting to do this.

Lawrie was our 2011 break out star. Unless you consider .293/.373/.580 from a 21 year old 3B with plus defense an average player, which at this point I wouldn't put it past you.

Lawrie was a 21 year old cornerstone position player on a rookie contract under team control for 6 years. Adam Lind is a 30 year old platoon DH with a horrible track record and a bad contract. Notice the difference? Notice why selling high might apply to one and not the other here?

Now your going to try and say "Well look at how he's doing now! That is exactly why we need to trade Lind!" but then I would counter with he's on pace for like 3.2 rWAR for 2013, under the absurd assumption that he is going to continue to bat .209. Oh, and by the way, he's 23 years old.

Have no idea why you shifted into this kind of tangent (talk about your logical discrepancies), but trading Lawrie now would be selling low. That's the exact kind of move AA shouldn't be making. He should be moving players that aren't likely to maintain their production, not those who will likely improve.

Besides, even if we did trade Lind and he continued to do well; and we were flat out wrong, you'd cry Rogers is cheap for the next decade for trading him for a 28 year old throwing 75 in low-A.

Rogers has a history of being cheap with their baseball teams, but management prudently selling high on a player like this would certainly not fall into that category.

[flatjacket1]

Moral of the story, no point in rebuilding yet.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Perhaps the back injuries over the last couple years were really impacting his abilities. Yes, he only faces righties, but now's the time to see if he's for real and start putting him out there full time.

[MikeM]

I would sell him if I didn't see him do this for a full season a couple years ago. And I'd sell him if I hadn't seen Jose and EE turn into mashers.

Right now Lind looks amazing and it's hard to point to any of it as luck. I mean, he's stroking tough LHP into left-centre gaps.

If he puts up an .800 OPS he's worth the money. If he can get to .900 then he's a steal.

[Parataxis]

5 homeruns is insignificant? he's the cleanup hitter! If he was 5th or 2nd, that's fine.

I fall very firmly into the 'it depends what we can get for him' camp, but I hope you realise that as soon as Reyes is back, Lind will be hitting 5th.

[MGD24]

5 homeruns is insignificant? he's the cleanup hitter! If he was 5th or 2nd, that's fine.

I fall very firmly into the 'it depends what we can get for him' camp, but I hope you realise that as soon as Reyes is back, Lind will be hitting 5th.

No he won't. He'll probably remain 4th. I doubt they will put Melky 4th. He will probably bat 5th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/expect-top-heavy-lineup-when-reyes-returns/

Even when Jose Reyes returns from his left ankle sprain, the Toronto Blue Jays expect to continue using Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion in the number two and three spots of the lineup.

[Santoki]

5 homeruns is insignificant? he's the cleanup hitter! If he was 5th or 2nd, that's fine.

I fall very firmly into the 'it depends what we can get for him' camp, but I hope you realise that as soon as Reyes is back, Lind will be hitting 5th.

No he won't. He'll probably remain 4th. I doubt they will put Melky 4th. He will probably bat 5th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/expect-top-heavy-lineup-when-reyes-returns/

Even when Jose Reyes returns from his left ankle sprain, the Toronto Blue Jays expect to continue using Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion in the number two and three spots of the lineup.

If anything, Lind should bat 2nd and Melky 5th. No reason to have Lind in the 4 spot once Reyes is back.

[Parataxis]

5 homeruns is insignificant? he's the cleanup hitter! If he was 5th or 2nd, that's fine.

I fall very firmly into the 'it depends what we can get for him' camp, but I hope you realise that as soon as Reyes is back, Lind will be hitting 5th.

No he won't. He'll probably remain 4th. I doubt they will put Melky 4th. He will probably bat 5th.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/expect-top-heavy-lineup-when-reyes-returns/

Even when Jose Reyes returns from his left ankle sprain, the Toronto Blue Jays expect to continue using Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion in the number two and three spots of the lineup.

Curious. I'd have thought that Bats would be back to the 3spot, and E5 in cleanup.

[Lateral Quicks]

I was one of those clamouring for Cooper to replace Lind. That was before a) Lind had a dominant first couple of months to the season, and b) Cooper had career-threatening back issues. In fact, Lind right now is a better but not too dissimilar version of what I thought David Cooper could (not would, but could) be: good average, great on-base, and marginal power.

[YogiStewart]

Not only is Lind's value low, but he also plays the easiest position in baseball as far as finding talent, so how many contending teams actually need 1B/DH's? Oakland? Pittsburgh? And even in those two cases, will they be ready to pay the remainder of Lind's 2013 salary plus the buy out?

The only real benefit to trading him is saving money on declining his option. From a talent standpoint, it will accomplish nothing, since it is not like the Jays have a 1B in the system that is ready to take over.

Would rather have the ability to save the money and spend it on something that can provide more value than a platoon DH (or at least on a platoon DH that won't cost $7M the following year to keep). If the Jays are still out of contention come the deadline, dumping him on anybody you possibly can is a no brainer.

any playoff-bound team would take him for a decent to pretty good prospect.

but the negatives: who replaces him? ask that about trading our 3B as well, which, for some stupid reason, Bob McCowan suggested

[Avenger]

Baseaball has a lot of smart GM's, no one is going to give you a good or even a decent prospect for a terrible hitter on a hot streak, especially one that provides zero or negative value on defence. The Jays are better of hanging on to Lind and hope that he is real, even though the chances of that are quite remote.