Miguel Cabrera is better than everyone.

[Zeitgeister]

I'm making a prediction on his career arc, which is completely reasonable. When you have a 20 year old baseball player hitting 30 home runs in a season where he missed an entire month because he was in the minors, it's reasonable to believe that he has a fair bit more power potential and could reach that potential in his prime. You seem to have a very difficult time coming to grips with this fact.

I've provided links, examples, I've explained that RBIs are too team dependent, but if you REALLY need me to go more in depth I can do that for you.

I've downplayed ONE stat, and that stat is RBIs. I've downplayed the Triple Crown because it relies on a pretty significant amount of luck, and places extreme emphasis on a failed stat, the RBI. You're going to have to deal with that. It's all completely logical, and I can go more in depth for you but you're a fundy in nature so I don't see it being worth my time.

[Zeitgeister]

:lol:
I like how every article references third parties making comparisons to Mantle but doesn't name them.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-o ... key-mantle
Al Kaline calls Mike Trout 'an outstanding player,' compares him to Mickey Mantle

Also, organizational scouts usually aren't named, try again.

[Manocad]

I'm making a prediction on his career arc, which is completely reasonable. When you have a 20 year old baseball player hitting 30 home runs in a season where he missed an entire month because he was in the minors, it's reasonable to believe that he has a fair bit more power potential and could reach that potential in his prime. You seem to have a very difficult time coming to grips with this fact.

I've provided links, examples, I've explained that RBIs are too team dependent, but if you REALLY need me to go more in depth I can do that for you.

I've downplayed ONE stat, and that stat is RBIs. I've downplayed the Triple Crown because it relies on a pretty significant amount of luck, and places extreme emphasis on a failed stat, the RBI. You're going to have to deal with that. It's all completely logical, and I can go more in depth for you but you're a fundy in nature so I don't see it being worth my time.

What about the concept of who IS a better hitter don't you get? The statement wasn't about who will have a better career as a hitter. You're still basing your argument around an extrapolation vs. what Trout has actually done. So relative to the point, no, it's not reasonable.

You appear to be very passionate about trying to argue what Trout is capable of vs. what he's actually done. Potential doesn't count for s**t in sports. Every fan with half a brain knows that.

[Zeitgeister]

I've already said that Cabrera is having a better season, as a hitter both this year and last year. Try to keep up.

I've said that last year, Miggy was better but Trout was close. I've said so far for a little over two months of the season this year, Miggy has been quite a bit better but that the season isn't over yet. Do you understand yet? I don't know how much further a person can spell it out to you. You can argue semantics over what "quite a bit better" means to you but I don't really care.

You're from Detroit (yuck) and love Cabrera. That's cool, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer when it's said and done. Whoops! There I go extrapolating based on his history in the league thus far and projecting the rest of his career! Oh, you don't care about that extrapolation, only when it involves a player you don't like. Got it!

[Manocad]

Wrong. You said that Cabrera was not better last year. Then when you got called out on it you backpedaled and said Cabrera was better but not a lot better.

Keep up with you? Done and gone, champ.

[Zeitgeister]

Wrong. You said that Cabrera was not better last year. Then when you got called out on it you backpedaled and said Cabrera was better but not a lot better.

Keep up with you? Done and gone, champ.

Good job creating strawmans, changing the argument and exposing yourself, fool.

I said that Trout was a better PLAYER last year, not a better hitter. Which he was. Then you wanted to dismiss the other parts of the game because you're a Tigers homer and I admitted that Trout isn't as good of a hitter.

My second post in the thread:

Trout is a great player, but there is not a better hitter in baseball than Cabrera.

I agree, there isn't a better hitter. That said, Trout isn't THAT far behind. He started out slow in April, but he's been amazing in May. I think Trout might bring more to the table when you consider his defense and running ability. Also, Miggy is in his prime, Trout probably isn't. It's scary how good he should be in his prime.

Again, try to not get schooled up and down this thread, Tigers homer.

[Manocad]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Strawman? Really? Does that not say that Cabrera was not a better hitter than Trout last year?

Nothing like stuffing your own foot down your own throat. TRY TO KEEP UP.

BOOM

[Zeitgeister]

I have a couple questions for you:

1. Who's had a better career so far, Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera?
2. Who's had the better career so far, Barry Bonds or Miguel Cabrera?

[Zeitgeister]

Yes, Miggy is clearly a better hitter than Trout this year, not last year.

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Strawman? Really? Does that not say that Cabrera was not a better hitter than Trout last year?

Nothing like stuffing your own foot down your own throat. TRY TO KEEP UP.

BOOM

No, it doesn't. You really struggle at reading comprehension? Did you finish High School?

[TyCobb]

It is okay to project a baseball players' career. Miguel has been a better hitter in the past than Trout, and Mike may or may not be a better hitter after both of their careers are finished. Trout last year was just as impressive as Miguel, for different reasons. This year, so far, Cabrera has been much more impressive, offensively, than Trout. Neither side should be so defensive on this topic. They are both amazing talents, although only Cabrera has proven it over a much longer duration.

[Manocad]

Who IS a better hitter has nothing to do with the past or the future. It's right now. And right now Mike Trout is NOT the hitter that Cabrera is, plain and simple. If you're a team and you're saying, "We need to find the best hitter in the game if we can get him" there is no team that is taking Mike Trout over Miguel Cabrera. There is no part of Trout's stats at the plate that show him to be a better hitter right now than Cabrera.

As I stated previously, if you think .305/10/40 is "close" to .363/17/67, or .326/30/83 is "close" to .330/44/139, you need more than glasses. You need a telescope.

[Manocad]

I'm sensing some blinding Angels bias here, he was a much better hitter last year too

Strawman? Really? Does that not say that Cabrera was not a better hitter than Trout last year?

Nothing like stuffing your own foot down your own throat. TRY TO KEEP UP.

BOOM

No, it doesn't. You really struggle at reading comprehension? Did you finish High School?

Wipe the egg off your face, dood.

[Zeitgeister]

I have a couple questions for you:

1. Who's had a better career so far, Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera?
2. Who's had the better career so far, Barry Bonds or Miguel Cabrera?

As I suspected, you avoided these questions. You're a bigger homer than I thought. I see more strawman arguments from you. You're a waste of time. How in the hell did you ever get mod status anyway? LOL

[Manocad]

Those questions have no bearing on your assertion that Mike Trout has shown himself to being "close" to Cabrera as a hitter. I have completely dismantled your argument using nothing more than stats and common sense.

What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Zeitgeister]

You're a truly delusional, butthurt homer! LOL

[Ado05]

Those questions have no bearing on your assertion that Mike Trout has shown himself to being "close" to Cabrera as a hitter. I have completely dismantled your argument using nothing more than stats and common sense.

You failed to answer his questions, which could've lead to him comparing Miggy and Trout.

[Manocad]

You're a truly delusional, butthurt homer! LOL

Nobody disputed my argument but you. You're the one being called out by other folks.

Hurt about having last year's MVP and triple crown winner on my home team? Yeah, that makes sense.

[Zeitgeister]

Miggy is amazing offensively no doubt, but Trout will have a better career, IMO. They're are no flaws in his game.

Hmmm.

[Zeitgeister]

I guess that must mean you're in the right! There's only a few people that have even posted in this thread. But your silence on my question about Bonds and Pujols speaks volumes. You think Miggy is better than them and you're afraid to admit it.

[Manocad]

Moronic post. You're trying to build something that simply isn't there.

I addressed a single point, which was that Trout was "close" to Cabrera as a hitter. I made no statement whatsoever about Cabrera being better than anyone else in any way. Nice try though.