Offers for Gasol?

[tviper]

cleveland for a couple second rounders seems the best offer

Pau won't be traded as a pure salary dump IMO. At least one, maybe two, viable assets would have to come back from CLE among #1, #19, Thompson and Waiters. I realize that Pau has negative value on this forum, but that doesn't mean that he has negative value among NBA GMs.

[Toine85]

Amare and Shump for Pau.

[GeorgeDillion]

Amare and Shump for Pau.

No, why we would trade an expiring quality big man for an often injured uninsured Amare? Nice try though.

[KuruptedCav]

For the endless proposals of Pau for Boozer, please explain why the Lakers would trade one low post player for another when that low post player: a) is a two time champion on the Lakers, b) is beloved by the fans, c) has full support of the team's historic superstar, d) is taller and more skilled, e) has a shorter contract, etc.

Pau is no longer a PF. He has lost a few steps and is at the point in his career where he transitions to center (we've seen this on the wall for a long time). When playing PF, he is a defensive liability who cannot guard the refined PF position. The Lakers have Dwight penned in at Center.

Boozer, while less talented than Pau, can still play the PF position. He is a better fit next to Dwight, and just as important, he can be acquired for the asset available. Boozer's roles would be to prop the window open and maintain asset levels. With the depleted pick situation and ever constrained cap situation, it's solid value.

[tviper]

For the endless proposals of Pau for Boozer, please explain why the Lakers would trade one low post player for another when that low post player: a) is a two time champion on the Lakers, b) is beloved by the fans, c) has full support of the team's historic superstar, d) is taller and more skilled, e) has a shorter contract, etc.

Pau is no longer a PF. He has lost a few steps and is at the point in his career where he transitions to center (we've seen this on the wall for a long time). When playing PF, he is a defensive liability who cannot guard the refined PF position. The Lakers have Dwight penned in at Center.

Boozer, while less talented than Pau, can still play the PF position. He is a better fit next to Dwight, and just as important, he can be acquired for the asset available. Boozer's roles would be to prop the window open and maintain asset levels. With the depleted pick situation and ever constrained cap situation, it's solid value.

I agree that Pau is more C than PF, so that is a good answer to my query. However, not addressed is part e) shorter contract, which at this stage is really the most important aspect. We can argue whether Boozer is a better fit next to D12 (and I would take the Pau side as they seemed to figure out how to play together later in the year), but no chance LAL is compromising 2014 cap for someone like Boozer.

[KuruptedCav]

I agree that Pau is more C than PF, so that is a good answer to my query. However, not addressed is part e) shorter contract, which at this stage is really the most important aspect. We can argue whether Boozer is a better fit next to D12 (and I would take the Pau side as they seemed to figure out how to play together later in the year), but no chance LAL is compromising 2014 cap for someone like Boozer.

2014 cap only matters if Dwight walks. If he walks, then they let Pau walk after 2013/14 season and pay Kobe $30mil and sell him on the FA rebuild and go after LeBron +1?

If D12 stays, you have a 2014 number around $22 mil, Kobe at $15 (assuming he takes a Tim type discount), amnesty Nash, renounce everyone else, add in 2014 pick, and min salary cap holds, you are still in the position of trying to sell a max player on locking up with no ability to fill out the team and Kobe doing a Favre impression on retirement. unlike the Miami situation, we're talking 10yr+ vets for the Lakers... $$$

I doubt there is a scenario that lets Bryant play for any other team.

[tviper]

"2014 cap only matters if Dwight walks."
-Incorrect. D12 + Lebron is the plan (some might say pipe dream).

"amnesty Nash"
-Impossible. Nash is not eligible for the amnesty provision.

"you are still in the position of trying to sell a max player on locking up with no ability to fill out the team and Kobe doing a Favre impression on retirement"
-not quite sure what this means, but the numbers with D12+Nash's contract(let's say for the sake of argument that he is waived via the stretch provision)+KB24@15M+2014 1st (let's assume in the 20's)+roster charges is as follows:

D12=22M
KB24=15M
Nash=3.8M
20141st=1.0M
RosterCharge(x8)=4.1M
Total=45.9M

With the projected cap in 2014 at 62M, that leaves 16.1M, which is less than the max for a top flight FA.

[KuruptedCav]

"you are still in the position of trying to sell a max player on locking up with no ability to fill out the team and Kobe doing a Favre impression on retirement"
-not quite sure what this means.

Kobe keeps dropping the retirement word, he needs to sign off.

The plan you are promoting could work, don't get me wrong. I just expect them to short-cut and keep pushing the edges of the CBA and mortgage the future to extend the competitive run...

[tviper]

"you are still in the position of trying to sell a max player on locking up with no ability to fill out the team and Kobe doing a Favre impression on retirement"
-not quite sure what this means.

Kobe keeps dropping the retirement word, he needs to sign off.

The plan you are promoting could work, don't get me wrong. I just expect them to short-cut and keep pushing the edges of the CBA and mortgage the future to extend the competitive run...

Oh, okay. Well, maybe one or more years ago your expectations might be met, but with (almost) everyone expiring this year, too close to the finish line to blow 2014 cap room on a player like Boozer. Also, as an addendum to my above post, if KB24 plays for 10 instead of 15, a max slot could be available. Tough to see KB24 going from 30 to 10, though.

[Kupchak9]

LAL out: Pau
LAL in: Bargs Shump

TOR out: Bargs Fields
TOR in: Amare

NYK out: Amare Shump
NYK in: Pau Fields

[Leto]

"you are still in the position of trying to sell a max player on locking up with no ability to fill out the team and Kobe doing a Favre impression on retirement"
-not quite sure what this means.

Kobe keeps dropping the retirement word, he needs to sign off.

The plan you are promoting could work, don't get me wrong. I just expect them to short-cut and keep pushing the edges of the CBA and mortgage the future to extend the competitive run...

I agree. I think they're going to try and get one more for Kobe before he retires. Unless Howard leaves; then I don't know what they'll do. Probably start crying. Nevertheless, they could possibly go the other way and just try to clear salary. I agree, the Lakers still have to make a pitch to Howard to remain a Laker. I'm not sure taking a huge longshot to get Lebron (or any Heat player) for less than max is going to be too convincing as a sales pitch.

I think you're right that Boozer would fit better than Gasol in LAL. Meanwhile, I think Gasol would fit better in Chicago. The Bulls just have to make up a little value for the Lakers to make it an even trade. Here ya go:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6277533

Chi out: Boozer, Hamilton, Teague, Bulls 2013 1st #20
Chi in: Gasol

Why for Bulls? They get a better fit in Gasol and an upgrade over Boozer. It puts the Bulls solidly into the tax, but I think Riensdorf will do it because this team has a real chance of winning.

Rose/Hinrich
Butler/Hinrich
Deng/Butler
Noah/Gibson
Gasol/Noah

LAL out: Gasol, Duhon
LAL in: Boozer, Ariza, Teague

Why for Lakers? They extend their window by breaking Pau into two starters and a decent PG prospect behind Blake and the AARP guy.

Nash/Kobe/Teague
Kobe/Meeks
Ariza/Metta
Boozer/Hill
Howard/?

Yes, the Lakers are still thin, but I can't fix all their problems.

Wash out: Ariza
Wash in: Rip (buy out for 1 mil),Duhon (buy out for 1.5 mil) #20 pick

Why for Wiz? They're drafting Porter. This sheds some money and gives them another 1st.

That's about the best I can do for the Lakers in a Gasol to Chicago trade. I think it's more than fair value for Gasol and about the best return they're likely to get in terms of talent to win now.

[tviper]

If a CHI deal for Pau must include Boozer, then CHI and LAL are bad trade partners. Remember that MDA is looking to implement a more up-tempo style, which the LAL FO must be behind (or he wouldn't have been so hastily selected). Boozer does not fit that scheme at all, and his large salary in 2014 severely restricts cap flexibility that has been so long coming. Just not happening. The only player LAL would be interested in from CHI in a Pau deal IMO would be Deng.

Also, as an aside, I think people that are pouring dirt on Nash's grave are going to be surprised next season when he is fully healthy with an entire summer and training camp with MDA, along with clarity in the roster after D12 makes his decision and trades are executed. I believe we will see something closer to the Nash we saw in PHO, and in any case his numbers last year were still close to 40/50/90.

[Leto]

If a CHI deal for Pau must include Boozer, then CHI and LAL are bad trade partners. Remember that MDA is looking to implement a more up-tempo style, which the LAL FO must be behind (or he wouldn't have been so hastily selected). Boozer does not fit that scheme at all, and his large salary in 2014 severely restricts cap flexibility that has been so long coming. Just not happening. The only player LAL would be interested in from CHI in a Pau deal IMO would be Deng.

Also, as an aside, I think people that are pouring dirt on Nash's grave are going to be surprised next season when he is fully healthy with an entire summer and training camp with MDA, along with clarity in the roster after D12 makes his decision and trades are executed. I believe we will see something closer to the Nash we saw in PHO, and in any case his numbers last year were still close to 40/50/90.

If it were part of a S&T package for Howard, then I could see Deng going, but as you can see from the offers in this thread Gasol doesn't have that kind of value. So, Deng is a no go. But, I don't know what you're complaining about because this package comes with Ariza who solves your problem at SF with speed and length.

I disagree that Boozer is a bad fit--which is what you're suggesting. He fits better with Howard than Howard does with Gasol. Furthermore, this package nets you Ariza, who is basically Deng-lite, and an athletic PG in Teague. As I mentioned, you are not going to get a better package for Gasol. This deal solves at least one more of your problems at the wing position and gets you a better fit at PF.

As to the "2014 plan", this trade assumes you don't have a 2014 plan. If you have a 2014 plan, then there is no reason to trade Gasol because he's already a huge expiring. Also, there's no reason for this thread if all you want is expiring contracts because Gasol is already an expiring contract.

[SCourGe OF GoD]

Mitch is gonna let Pau expire...no way we take on 2014 salary like Boozer unless Jimmy Butler is coming back.

[Leto]

Mitch is gonna let Pau expire...no way we take on 2014 salary like Boozer unless Jimmy Butler is coming back.

Sorry, it's going to have to be Ariza and Teague. Gasol doesn't have that kind of value. Or, you can just take Teague, Hamilton and #20 and pick a player you like at 20.

[SCourGe OF GoD]

Mitch is gonna let Pau expire...no way we take on 2014 salary like Boozer unless Jimmy Butler is coming back.

Sorry, it's going to have to be Ariza and Teague. Gasol doesn't have that kind of value. Or, you can just take Teague, Hamilton and #20 and pick a player you like at 20.

or we can just keep him

[warren weel im]

I have grown old (and naturally tired) of Leto proposing Boozer to LA.

[Leto]

Mitch is gonna let Pau expire...no way we take on 2014 salary like Boozer unless Jimmy Butler is coming back.

Sorry, it's going to have to be Ariza and Teague. Gasol doesn't have that kind of value. Or, you can just take Teague, Hamilton and #20 and pick a player you like at 20.

or we can just keep him

Yes, but I don't think the Lakers will go that route. "We're going to get older next season" isn't exactly a great selling point to keep Howard around.

[Leto]

I have grown old (and naturally tired) of Leto proposing Boozer to LA.

Wahh. Its an "Offers for Gasol" thread. Don't read it if you don't like what's "offered."

One other thing, Warren: Boozer, Ariza and Teague is a more than fair offer for Gasol.

[teerfour+40LG]

Kings offer Chuck Hayes, Marcus Thornton, and Jimmer Fredette for Gasol.