The Lebron Thread (Pt. 3)

[JulesWinnfield]

What makes someone a hater?

Maybe when they resort to stuff like this...

LEBRON "PLEASE HOLD ME RIO" JAMES

I called you a homer because you said in your post that IS HAVING ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST 2 YEAR RUN EVER. Jordan has at least 5 better 2 year runs, Hakeem has 2 better, Shaq has 4 better, LEBRON MIGHT EVEN HAVE ONE BETTER! Two great regular seasons and one great postseason isn't something that's never been done before but in the case of Lebron James nothing that happened before 2012 matters right?

Just complete nonsense on all counts. Lebron gets 3 more wins and this is among the dominant 2 year stretches we've seen. 2 MVPs (neither remotely disputable) + 2 finals MVP (the combo of which has only been done once before), two top 11 all time efficiency seasons, won player of the month in 7 of the 8 full months the award has been given (throwing out both shortened aprils where your boy Melo got the 2 week award only to struggle in the postseason as always, including being held to under 30% shooting by Lebron when matched on him in the 2012 round 1), you cannot dominate the league to any greater degree.

And of course Lebron is leading them in scoring, rebounding and assists which would be completely unprecedented for a player to do twice on a title team, let alone back to back. Plus the fact that during this span he headlined the longest win streak the league has seen since the merger, or countless other varying factors which render this a virtually inarguable premise (premise being 12 and 13 Lebron is on the very short list of 2 year runs). Crap on the current league all you want, the gap between he and everyone else is as wide as we've seen it. He won Chip 1 with Bosh starting fewer than half the games in the postseason, and he can possibly win chip 2 with Wade and Bosh looking like Mo Williams (without the outside touch) and 2009 Big Z in costume.

And none of this is changed by the fact that he didn't go 30/9/8 yesterday. Sorry

[JordansBulls]

On a side note is Lebron going to college as well? The guy is pretty well spoken guy for a sports athlete.

[colts18]

On a side note is Lebron going to college as well? The guy is pretty well spoken guy for a sports athlete.

I doubt LeBron really cared much about High School. He probably never put much effort in it. I would bet good money he had someone take his SAT like Derrick Rose did.

[LikeABosh]

If anything the fact that Lebron won't even have to play great to lead this team to the Finals makes the league look bad not Lebron look good. You can call it one of the best 2 year runs if you want to but there's no competition to Miami right now.

You do make a good point. I mean we're talking about how poorly Lebron is playing in the finals and yet he's still the leading scorer, assister, and rebounder

[E-Balla]

I find it funny how two non Miami fans saw my comment as hating and the one Heat fan thought it made some sense. Most unbiased people can admit that Lebron is underachieving and Miami might still win anyway. No one but me and LikeABosh noticed this?

[PCProductions]

Game 2 was definitely rough. Had he not picked it up in the 4th I would've worried that we might be seeing the second coming of the Dallas series. However, if this were 2011, that 4th would not have happened and he would've continued to play with frustration and mediocrity.

Game 1 was OK. Game 2 was below average. So, by the Lebron standard, he is definitely playing well below his expectation thus far this series. I seriously worry about Wade. Lebron gives him way more touches than he deserves and it came at the cost of his own momentum. When Lebron gets it going, it barely matters how well Wade's playing if Lebron just gets a couple of shooters going as well (Miller, Chalmers, etc). As we saw on the 33-5 run, Wade is no longer integral.

Here's what I'm saying: I think Lebron's playing well below his ability and it IS his own fault, but I think it's for good reasons. I wouldn't call it lack of care or ambition at all. I deeply believe he sacrificed his own rhythm in order to get others going and it sorta worked in Game 2 (though the run involved Lebron lighting it up). It won't work for the whole series though and he needs to get himself going.

[GreenHat]

It will be very, very impressive for his legacy if he wins it this season no doubt. Pains me as a huge D-Wade fan, but he hasn't been consistently good at all this postseason (a lot to do with injury) and Bosh is 12/7.

Sorta weird how the "OMG he had to join forces with superstars" point of view doesn't look quite as persuasive any more. The decline from both has been substantial this playoffs. Not to say that they don't have arguably the deepest squad in the POs, but the cream at the top has thinned dramatically...

When he was on a team with pretty much no depth it was about how good the two next best players were. Now that pretty much every other superstar has had better two next players the haters are talking about how deep the team is.

Some of them are still clinging to the "say the guys name strategy" so they just say Wade and Bosh without acknowledging just how good those guys are right now.

[GreenHat]

If anything the fact that Lebron won't even have to play great to lead this team to the Finals makes the league look bad not Lebron look good. You can call it one of the best 2 year runs if you want to but there's no competition to Miami right now.

This is all that's left for Skip Bayless' children of the world to spout. Lebron might be compiling chips now, and we can't kill him for having a loaded cast, so the last resort is to crap on the league as a whole

Among some of the few similarities between Lebron and MJ are the arguments their detractors would use during their respective primes to rationalize their success away.

Its incredibly ironic when arguing with a Jordan player fan and they make the exact same arguments against Lebron that were used against Jordan. It was even worse before Lebron won last year.

[E-Balla]

One question for people about Lebron last game to open up opinions:

Do you think Miami would've won the game if Lebron James didn't touch the floor?

[TheChosen618]

One question for people about Lebron last game to open up opinions:

Do you think Miami would've won the game if Lebron James didn't touch the floor?

Hell no...

In the Finals so far, Lebron has been doing everything pretty well except score. It is probably why everyone is thinking he is playing so bad because most people usually just pay attention to scoring. I don't think he is playing bad, but I do think he is playing below his standard because often times he influences the game in many ways and score as well.

My problem with Lebron last night was his poor rebounding and defensive effort in the first 2-3 quarters. It was absolutely there in Game 1 though. His scoring has been pretty non-existent both times though.

[colts18]

One question for people about Lebron last game to open up opinions:

Do you think Miami would've won the game if Lebron James didn't touch the floor?

No. Who was going to create for the Heat if LeBron was off the floor?

[E-Balla]

One question for people about Lebron last game to open up opinions:

Do you think Miami would've won the game if Lebron James didn't touch the floor?

No. Who was going to create for the Heat if LeBron was off the floor?

Lebron didn't create much last game. He was a good decoy but he created nothing. Some people called the first half his worst half in his career.

[colts18]

Being a decoy is valuable. So is defense and rebounding. When LeBron has the ball, the defense gives him a lot of attention, that opens a lot for his teammates.

[E-Balla]

Being a decoy is valuable but how valuable is it when your not playing defense or rebounding.

And you brought up defense and rebounding? Lebron was horrible at both yesterday.

[PCProductions]

Being a decoy is valuable but how valuable is it when your not playing defense or rebounding.

And you brought up defense and rebounding? Lebron was horrible at both yesterday.

Lebron, Game 2 vs. Spurs:
107 ORtg
91 DRtg

Kawhi Leonard:
4-12 FGs, 36.2% TS

Horrible defense?

[colts18]

Being a decoy is valuable but how valuable is it when your not playing defense or rebounding.

And you brought up defense and rebounding? Lebron was horrible at both yesterday.

Lebron, Game 2 vs. Spurs:
107 ORtg
91 DRtg

Kawhi Leonard:
4-12 FGs, 36.2% TS

Horrible defense?

Not to mention 3 steals and 3 blocks. Plus the Spurs had a sub 100 O rating so obviously someone on the Heat was doing something right.

[E-Balla]

Being a decoy is valuable but how valuable is it when your not playing defense or rebounding.

And you brought up defense and rebounding? Lebron was horrible at both yesterday.

Lebron, Game 2 vs. Spurs:
107 ORtg
91 DRtg

Kawhi Leonard:
4-12 FGs, 36.2% TS

Horrible defense?

Because looking at Kawhi Leonard's scoring in indicative of how Lebron played defense?

Rewatch the first half of that game and the 7 minutes of the third where they gave Miami the ball every possession and tell me he played good defense without laughing halfway through the sentence.

[E-Balla]

Being a decoy is valuable but how valuable is it when your not playing defense or rebounding.

And you brought up defense and rebounding? Lebron was horrible at both yesterday.

Lebron, Game 2 vs. Spurs:
107 ORtg
91 DRtg

Kawhi Leonard:
4-12 FGs, 36.2% TS

Horrible defense?

Not to mention 3 steals and 3 blocks. Plus the Spurs had a sub 100 O rating so obviously someone on the Heat was doing something right.

Tim Duncan shot 3-13 on very makeable shots. The Spurs weren't shooting bad they were giving the ball up. Lebron did force 3 of those steals but two of them were on godawful passes.

[NO-KG-AI]

LeBron is the focal point of both the offense and the defense. If they are playing well on both ends, and winning in blowout fashion, I see no reason to even care what the numbers say.

It's only poor scoring by LeBron's lofty standards. Paul Pierce was getting the "best player in the world" moniker when he was able to lift himself to 20 a game on 44% shooting.

Anyway, no one outside of LeBron was doing any heavy lifting, and the Heat rolled. Good on them. If he starts getting single coverage, and the offense stalls out, and he can't/won't score, then I'll be worried.

[JulesWinnfield]

In short, the answer to everything is everybody sucks or is injured, and in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king

This is the last bullet to fire for Skip Bayless' wannabes. It's immensely amusing. There is no where else for them to go at this point.