Diamonds in the Rough

[HotelVitale]

I don't think these guys are in the rough by any means

Plus one. All of these except Green are just guys whom teams, coaches, reporters, and scouts love but are in back-up roles behind established good players. They've already had their breakouts. Historically, these guys end up costing quite a bit of money. And Green was a major piece for Boston after he came back last year, plus they're already paying him like $9m a year.

And really Chauncey was the only lottery guy that Joe D saw potential in where others didn't. Rip was traded for Jerry 30-pts-per-game Stackhouse and was already a very good player when we got him. Corliss wasn't any better on the Pistons than his previous teams, and actually scored and rebounded less after he arrived. Sheed was a headcase but a former all-star that everyone knew was phenomenally talented.

Aminu might fit the bill this year, and he was pretty good at times last year. He'd be a big gamble, though, since we'd probably have to give him like $7-8m over 3-4 years. Could probably get Budinger for more like 4 years $20m. Anthony Randolph is a no-brainer if he's dirt cheap, but are we still interested if it took 3 years $14m to get him?

[Jodi]

John Jenkins, Gustavo Ayon, Arnett Moultrie

[HotelVitale]

John Jenkins, Gustavo Ayon, Arnett Moultrie

Ayon would be a good back-up to target, he's on a great contract but Milwaukee has way too many bigs and he's the least promising among them. Jenkins and Moultrie are young and are both on stupid-cheap rookie deals for 3 more years. We got nothing that could fetch either.

[joseph mamah]

John Jenkins, Gustavo Ayon, Arnett Moultrie

Ayon would be a good back-up to target, he's on a great contract but Milwaukee has way too many bigs and he's the least promising among them. Jenkins and Moultrie are young and are both on stupid-cheap rookie deals for 3 more years. We got nothing that could fetch either.

Hawks get- #8/#56 or #38

Pistons get #17/#18 and Jenkins

[HotelVitale]

Doubt the Hawks even consider a #8 for #17 + #18 swap, let alone with Jenkins thrown in. I'd be all for that one but it smells like a homer proposal to me.

This draft is very middle heavy, light at the top but lots of decent players available from 15-35. It'd be great to get two cracks at guys in that range. Plus we'd be paying 17 + 18 together as much combined as 8 so... yeah great deal for us.

[Piston Pete]

Hawks fans would do #8/#56 for #17/#18.

But yeah, no way we also get Jenkins....

[joseph mamah]

Doubt the Hawks even consider a #8 for #17 + #18 swap, let alone with Jenkins thrown in. I'd be all for that one but it smells like a homer proposal to me.

This draft is very middle heavy, light at the top but lots of decent players available from 15-35. It'd be great to get two cracks at guys in that range. Plus we'd be paying 17 + 18 together as much combined as 8 so... yeah great deal for us.

maybe it was a little homerish, but I think it depends on whos there at 8. if Lens still sitting there and Atlanta thinks he can be a quality starting Center for them I dont think Jenkins would be a deal breaker. id even go #8/#56 or #38 and Singler for #17/#18 and Jenkins

[Jodi]

John Jenkins, Gustavo Ayon, Arnett Moultrie

Ayon would be a good back-up to target, he's on a great contract but Milwaukee has way too many bigs and he's the least promising among them. Jenkins and Moultrie are young and are both on stupid-cheap rookie deals for 3 more years. We got nothing that could fetch either.

I agree, I think the only reason Ayon isn't promising because he's older...I still think he would be nice pick-up on our squad...I would offer one of English, Singler, Jonas, or both our 2nd rounders for Jenkins or Moultrie...But that still might not be enough...

[HotelVitale]

maybe it was a little homerish, but I think it depends on whos there at 8. if Lens still sitting there and Atlanta thinks he can be a quality starting Center for them I dont think Jenkins would be a deal breaker. id even go #8/#56 or #38 and Singler for #17/#18 and Jenkins

I asked on the Hawks board, they said 17/18 for 8 would be of interest, but no way if Jenkins was thrown in. I hope Joe D asks...but doubt he gets far if he does.

I would offer one of English, Singler, Jonas, or both our 2nd rounders for Jenkins or Moultrie...But that still might not be enough...

Not even close to enough, I think. Both those guys are 22 and had more promising rookie years than any of the guys you listed. The Hawks like Jenkins and he had a very solid year shooting for them, much better than English. And he's making much less money than Jerebko. And the 76ers gave up a future first last year to get Moultrie, who was pretty good in limited minutes (PER of 17). Neither are future all-stars, but they both have a better chance of being good-quality contributors for years than any of our guys you listed. Plus they're locked in to very cheap rookie deals for three more years.

[ripchard32]

If he gets playing time and doesn't stay injured I think Jared Sullinger can develop into a great player. The only thing holding him back is his injury and his size.

[joseph mamah]

maybe it was a little homerish, but I think it depends on whos there at 8. if Lens still sitting there and Atlanta thinks he can be a quality starting Center for them I dont think Jenkins would be a deal breaker. id even go #8/#56 or #38 and Singler for #17/#18 and Jenkins

I asked on the Hawks board, they said 17/18 for 8 would be of interest, but no way if Jenkins was thrown in. I hope Joe D asks...but doubt he gets far if he does.

my idea probably was homerish thinking. the funny thing is I went to the hawks board the other day with the intention of throwing the idea out there, but the first post I read had them with a projected lineup of Paul/Jenkins/Smoove/Horford/Dwight so I didn't even bother. I figured they weren't trying to hear Alex Len right now. I also didn't realize they were so high on Jenkins, the kid hardly got any burn last year. I liked him from what I saw out of him in college.

[PistonPride]

How about Evan Turner? If the sixers decide to bring back Andrew Bynum then there's a strong possibility the sixers will be unable to match a reasonable offer.

[ImHeisenberg]

How about Evan Turner? If the sixers decide to bring back Andrew Bynum then there's a strong possibility the sixers will be unable to match a reasonable offer.

He would probably command a contract that exceeds his on-court value as the former #2 overall pick (think Beasley).

But, if he does become an unrestricted FA, he's certainly worth kicking the tires on.

[ComboGuardCity]

He's not an RFA until 2014

[ImHeisenberg]

He's not an RFA until 2014

I wasn't aware, I don't much care for him.

[PistonPride]

Really? I thought he signed a 3 year 12 million dollar deal as a rookie

[HotelVitale]

Really? I thought he signed a 3 year 12 million dollar deal as a rookie

May I be the first to welcome you with a refresher on how the NBA rookie contact works. Every single first-round draft pick has no choice but to sign what is essentially a two year guaranteed contract with team options for the two years after, and with a set amount of salary that follows strictly from their draft position.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale
So all in all, a team that picks any guy in the first round gets him for four years, and then the player can go into restricted free agency (RFA). There is no way of getting around this in the NBA.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1240 ... lary-scale

[PistonPride]

May I be the first to welcome you with a refresher on how the NBA rookie contact works. Every single first-round draft pick has no choice but to sign what is essentially a two year guaranteed contract with team options for the two years after, and with a set amount of salary that follows strictly from their draft position.

I didn't know that, thank you for the info