Off-Season Plan for Go/Joe/Mo

Pharaoh · Post #1 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:08 am

According to storytellers we have $28 mil in cap space after using #8....

so for the hell of it let's get that out of the way right now:

#8 = MCW - we're discussing this all over the board so no need to discuss it here too!

2nd rounders = who cares (see below)

Free Agency/Trades:

Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey... we're now looking at $41 mil in cap space!

Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P!

$28 mil in cap space remains....

Sign Paul Millsap to a 3 year deal that pays him $10 mil per season... sell him on the "Going Back to Work" plan, where hard work, character and team first values are important... he's our veteran leader... our locker room peace maker... hard worker that would be a positive influence on our kids

$18 mil in cap space remains

Sign Dorell Wright to a 3 year deal starting at $5 mil... 27 year old 6'9", 205 lb swingman that shoots the 3 at a 36% clip for his career... last 4 seasons are 37.4%, 36.%, 37.6%, 38.9%

$13 mil in cap space remains...

Sign Andre Iuodala to a 4 year deal that pays him $13 mil per season!

I can already hear the complaints... but look at it this way: Drummond, Knight and MCW would all be "under-paid" for the next 3 or 4 years... instead of giving them big money we're giving it to Iggy and Millsap!

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Millsap/Marion
Iguodala/Singler/Jerebko
Wright/K.C.P/Middleton/English
Knight/MCW

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe...

Drummond 30/Monroe 18/Slava is here for depth
Monroe 16/Millsap 32/Jerebko is here for depth
Iggy 30/Singler 18/Middleton is here for depth
Wright 24/K.C.P 24/English is here for depth
Knight 28/MCW 20

Phenomenonsense · Post #2 » by **Phenomenonsense** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:11 am

Pharaoh wrote:According to storytellers we have $28 mil in cap space after using #8....

so for the hell of it let's get that out of the way right now:

#8 = MCW - we're discussing this all over the board so no need to discuss it here too!

2nd rounders = who cares (see below)

Free Agency/Trades:

Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey... we're now looking at $41 mil in cap space!

Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P!

$28 mil in cap space remains....

Sign Paul Millsap to a 3 year deal that pays him $10 mil per season... sell him on the "Going Back to Work" plan, where hard work, character and team first values are important... he's our veteran leader... our locker room peace maker... hard worker that would be a positive influence on our kids

$18 mil in cap space remains

Sign Dorell Wright to a 3 year deal starting at $5 mil... 27 year old 6'9", 205 lb swingman that shoots the 3 at a 36% clip for his career... last 4 seasons are 37.4%, 36.%, 37.6%, 38.9%

$13 mil in cap space remains...

Sign Andre Iuodala to a 4 year deal that pays him $13 mil per season!

I can already hear the complaints... but look at it this way: Drummond, Knight and MCW would all be "under-paid" for the next 3 or 4 years... instead of giving them big money we're giving it to Iggy and Millsap!

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Millsap/Marion
Iguodala/Singler/Jerebko
Wright/K.C.P/Middleton/English
Knight/MCW

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe...

Drummond 30/Monroe 18/Slava is here for depth
Monroe 16/Millsap 32/Jerebko is here for depth
Iggy 30/Singler 18/Middleton is here for depth
Wright 24/K.C.P 24/English is here for depth
Knight 28/MCW 20

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Nvm didn't see Amnesty CV.

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:15 am

That amount of cap space assumes amnestying CV and waiving Stuckey. I don't think we're going to be doing either.

ImHeisenberg · Post #4 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:15 am

Your plan failed the moment you stopped seeing the value in CV and Suckey's expiring contracts. You're trying to buy a contender, opposed to optimizing your assets.

Also, Millsap isn't worth 10 million per year to come off the bench, nor would he likely be interested in coming off the bench when he could start for 15+ teams in the NBA.

Also, not excited to wildly overpay Wright either.

I read the Mavs want three second rounders for Marion and the #13. I'd throw in the 2014 or 15 second rounder and acquire that pick.

Han Solo · Post #5 » by **Han Solo** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:17 am

Not bad.

DCintheD · Post #6 » by **DCintheD** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:28 am

I'm sold

Pharaoh · Post #7 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:28 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:Your plan failed the moment you stopped seeing the value in CV and Suckey's expiring contracts. You're trying to buy a contender, opposed to optimizing your assets.

They're assets in the sense that they're expiring... but you're limited in what you can take back due to the 125% trade rules.

By dumping them I'm only limited by who is available in free agency... and an extra $13 mil in cap space sure looks good to me!

You could sign Iggy with that much money... but could you trade for him using CV-DNP and Stuckey as the assets you give up?

Could you get Evans by trading those 2? Could you get Aminu, Webster, Wright by trading those 2?

We can argue all day about what those 2 might bring via trades and what the additional cap space might bring... but we don't know that teams would be willing to take their expiring contracts off our hands and give us players we want/would use long term.

Also, Millsap isn't worth 10 million per year to come off the bench, nor would he likely be interested in coming off the bench when he could start for 15+ teams in the NBA.

I never understand this point... he's getting paid fair market value and playing 30+ minutes per game yet people refuse to believe he'd accept the deal! Joe and Mo would obviously have to sell him on the "Going Back to Work" thing where he'd be coming in as a recognised leader on what we hope is an up and coming team.

I think Millsap is just as likely to sign here for $10 mil as he is to sign elsewhere for $10 mil

Also, not excited to wildly overpay Wright either.

Then give him a smaller starting salary - I stated $5 mil cause it's a nice round figure and it's basically the full MLE. I don't know what the market value is for him... that's not really the point.

The point is that he's 27 years old, can drill a 3 at a high clip, is entering his "prime" and has bounced around the league a little bit. Joe used to love those guys... loved giving them a home...

I read the Mavs want three second rounders for Marion and the #13. I'd throw in the 2014 or 15 second rounder and acquire that pick.

Agree with that - throw in another 2nd rounder...

ImHeisenberg · Post #8 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:34 am

I agree, Pharaoh. The fact that we simply aren't privy to all the variables within the financial demands and desires of all 30 NBA teams means that simply paying players to go away isn't a wise fiscal play either way you cut it.

Post #9 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:39 am

Pharaoh wrote:I never understand this point... he's getting paid fair market value and playing 30+ minutes per game yet people refuse to believe he'd accept the deal! Joe and Mo would obviously have to sell him on the "Going Back to Work" thing where he'd be coming in as a recognised leader on what we hope is an up and coming team.

I think Millsap is just as likely to sign here for $10 mil as he is to sign elsewhere for $10 mil

I agree that starting shouldn't be a huge sticking point. How about team situation?

If a better team is able to offer 10 mill, don't you think he'd go there? My concern is that we won't be able to get anyone for fair market value.

Pharaoh · Post #10 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:41 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:I agree, Pharaoh. The fact that we simply aren't privy to all the variables within the financial demands and desires of all 30 NBA teams means that simply paying players to go away isn't a wise fiscal play either way you cut it.

I don't view it as paying them to go away though

I view it as trading $17 mil for Iggy and Wright, or Millsap, Wright and #13

If we don't amnesty CV-DNP and waive Stuckey we have $28 mil...

that could get me Millsap at $10 mil, Iggy at $13 mil and Wright at $5 mil or less...

but not Marion and #13!

Maybe I'm greedy?

Either way, it's not my money I'm spending!

I'm just trying to build a much better team than the roster Mo Cheeks has been handed

Pharaoh · Post #11 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:45 am

Snakebites wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:I never understand this point... he's getting paid fair market value and playing 30+ minutes per game yet people refuse to believe he'd accept the deal! Joe and Mo would obviously have to sell him on the "Going Back to Work" thing where he'd be coming in as a recognised leader on what we hope is an up and coming team.

I think Millsap is just as likely to sign here for $10 mil as he is to sign elsewhere for $10 mil

I agree that starting shouldn't be a huge sticking point. How about team situation?

If a better team is able to offer 10 mill, don't you think he'd go there? My concern is that we won't be able to get anyone for fair market value.

A better team offering the same money is an issue... which "better" teams have $10 mil to give Millsap?

ImHeisenberg · Post #12 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:46 am

I'd go for Marion and #13. I don't think Millsap will have any interest in downgrading to a role player on a lottery team. You may be reaching for Iggy as well. He did great for Denver, where he didn't have to be "the man" anymore, I doubt he's going to want to take up that mantle again on a lottery team.

Point being- I honestly don't believe those two will have any interest in Detroit, unless Dumars wants to grossly overpay them.

Pharaoh · Post #13 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:54 am

I think Millsap and Iggy either take huge pay cuts to go to proven winners or they get paid fair market value and realise that this is their last big contract

Would they choose Detroit? Maybe, maybe not.

Joe had a hard on for Millsap not too long ago... Cheeks has history with Iggy.

Yes we're currently a Lottery team, but with Drummond, Monroe, Millsap, Iggy, Marion, Knight #8 and #13 I don't think it's too much of stretch to expect playoffs!

Time will tell... but I think I drastically improved the team without making completely unrealistic moves!

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:54 am

According to Shamsports, we have 28 million ASSUMING we amnesty Charlie Villanueva, which I don't consider to be a given.

Rodney Stuckey: $8,500,000
Jonas Jerebko: $4,500,000
Greg Monroe: $4,086,454
Brandon Knight: $2,793,960
Andre Drummond: $2,462,400
#8: $2,210,900 (cap hold)
Viacheslav Kravtsov: $1,500,000
Kyle Singler: $1,045,000
Kim English: $788,872
Khris Middleton: $788,872
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $29,656,818 = $28,843,182 in cap room.

But yeah, the only teams that look like they have enough cap space to sign him are either no better than we are or likely to pursue other players, or both.

Pharaoh · Post #15 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:57 am

I believe the figure given by the NBA was a $58.5 mil salary cap

http://storytellerscontracts.info/?page_id=1631

We have $28,756,686 committed according to that

and that includes CV, Stuckey, #8

Close to $30 mil in cap space... so I was out by a mil and change!

Post #16 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:00 am

^Yeah, I'm not sure which numbers are right then.

The numbers I just posted add up to the number shown....without CV in the mix.

EDIT: Just ran the numbers on that site (yours). They DON'T actually add up to that. Whoever ran those numbers must have done it without CV.

DCintheD · Post #17 » by **DCintheD** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:08 am

Pharaoh wrote:Yes we're currently a Lottery team, but with Drummond, Monroe, Millsap, Iggy, Marion, Knight #8 and #13 I don't think it's too much of stretch to expect playoffs!

Time will tell... but I think I drastically improved the team without making completely unrealistic moves!

I'd believe in this squad.. i hope Joe can make that happen

Pharaoh · Post #18 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:08 am

Yeah, I just ran the numbers on Storytellers... we actually have $37 mil committed

we're looking at $20 mil in cap space with CV and Stuckey on board

Without them 2 it's closer to $33 mil in cap room...

In that case I'd keep CV and Stuckey... still do the Marion deal and sign Wright:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/CV/Marion
Wright/Singler/Jerebko
Stuckey/K.C.P/Middleton/English
Knight/MCW

Knight, M.C.W and K.C.P long term is an interesting backcourt

Wright, Singler, Middleton at SF/SG gives us some role players that we could use.

We'd still need an additional big man to help Monroe and Drummond

dukeknicksirish · Post #19 » by **dukeknicksirish** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:40 am

I like the MCW pick but why over pay for Iggy?

With the #13 I'd pick Shabazz/Zeller if those 2 available

coordinator0 · Post #20 » by **coordinator0** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:10 am

Snakebites wrote:^Yeah, I'm not sure which numbers are right then.

The numbers I just posted add up to the number shown....without CV in the mix.

EDIT: Just ran the numbers on that site (yours). They DON'T actually add up to that. Whoever ran those numbers must have done it without CV.

The $28,756,686 number is just all of the guaranteed money. That's what Detroit's salary commitment would be assuming Stuckey, Kravtsov, and English get cut. Their actual committed salary at the moment is $35,045,558 (going off of storyteller's numbers which are pretty reliable).