Off-Season Plan for Go/Joe/Mo

[DetroitDon15]

I'm not interested in adding MCW. If we get MCW, the Knight era is offically over and he's a glorified sixth man. He might have been that all along. I'm also not taking KCP over Shabazz. Sorry.

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[HotelVitale]

If we opt to compete now and hope our internal development (Drum, Monroe, BK, #8, maybe #13) makes us contenders, the OP is a great plan. It takes us well out of stinkin'-for-Wiggins territory, but it makes us instantly watchable. Cap space is going to be tough after this year, but no one decent is going to come here on a two-year contract.

All the contracts sound realistic and none seem like wrong decisions. Sometimes posters here don't seem to get 'free agency.' Free agency means you get an asset by outbidding for it, and that means paying full retail price, no discounts and no half-off specials. It's not a second-hand store or an open market in which we have some kind of leverage, and you can't scour the internet for a better deal. There are like 25 good assets you could possibly buy, and every other team would like most of them. You want a young vet who's capable of playing 25-30 decent minutes every night at SF? $5m is not overpaying, it's under-paying him relative to the rest of the league. You want a guy who's been an All-Star and has some elite skills as well as a bunch of very good ones? Well everybody else wants him too, and you're going to have to pay him well to choose you. You don't get to tell the rest of the league, 'I've done my homework and think he's worth $9m instead $13m...so let me have him for $9m.'

I'm not interested in adding MCW. If we get MCW, the Knight era is offically over and he's a glorified sixth man. He might have been that all along. I'm also not taking KCP over Shabazz. Sorry.

I'm not in love with MCW as our pick, but if we take him there's little chance he's ready for more than 20 minutes per night his rookie year. He's an upside pick and if we choose him, we'd be taking him with two-three years down the line in mind. If BK proves he's worth hanging on to by then, and MCW proves to be a quality starter, we can figure out how to keep both. In the meantime, BK starts at the 1 and can play at the 2 some with MCW, and they both get plenty of time to prove themselves.

[vege]

I believe the figure given by the NBA was a $58.5 mil salary cap

http://storytellerscontracts.info/?page_id=1631

We have $28,756,686 committed according to that

and that includes CV, Stuckey, #8

Close to $30 mil in cap space... so I was out by a mil and change!

This is incorrect. We have $35,045,558 committed to salaries next season PLUS the #8 PLUS one cap hold which puts it to 37-38 mil range.

We can Amnesty CV and before July 1st we can Waive English fully unguaranteed contract and waive Stuckey and Slava's partially guaranteed contracts.

IF we do all that which is very unlikely we would have ~23 million in committed salary. Truth is, right now we have 37-38ish million committed in salary which give us 20-21 million in cap space.

Your numbers are 100% incorrect, P#1 are close to correct.

Dorrell Wright as SG is a monumental epic fail btw.

[Umbra]

I'm not interested in adding MCW. If we get MCW, the Knight era is offically over and he's a glorified sixth man. He might have been that all along. I'm also not taking KCP over Shabazz. Sorry.

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That's fine if you're not, you're not the GM anyways.

I can't see Shabazz coming here, Joe D loves high character guys and there has been a ton of reports saying he's not one.

Maybe I'm wrong though, if Joe likes him at 8.

[JustinSane]

I don't think Millsap will command that much; he didn't have a very good season last year. I'm betting he could be signed for 25.5/3. If it's available, I'd do the Marion/13 for 3 second rounders trade and pick up KCP, sign Millsap for 25.5/3, and call it an offseason. Marion is actually a credible starting 3 yet, and that wouldn't be a bad team.

[Pharaoh]

Thanks Hotel Vitale... well said!

Cool your heels vege... did you not read the discussion about storytellers numbers before you quoted the OP and took a shot at me?

No need for that... and Dorell Wright would be an epic fail? Really? Dude is 27, can play SF and SG and can drain the 3 at a high clip! Naybe $5 mil is a bit much, but as HV stated we're bidding against other teams here

Detroit Don: You think you can get Bazz at #13? Good luck with that. I picked K.C.P and thought he might not even be there at 13... thought of opting for Dieng just to be "safe"

The figures that have been discussed mean we have $37,256,458 committed. This includes the #8 pick and 10 other contracts (CV, Stuckey, Monroe, Drummond, Knight, Singler, Middleton, English, Jerebko, Slava)

giving us $21,243,542 in cap space...

New Plan, just like the Old one but with legit numbers:

Amnesty CV-DNP ASAP... cap space will now be $29,743,542

Draft C.J McCullom at #8 - Cheeks gets another guard to mold

2nd rounders don;t matter because they still go to Dallas

Free Agency/Trades

Iggy signs for 4 years $13 mil per... leaves $16,743,542

2 * 2013 second rounders + future 2nd rounder to Dallas for Marion and #13 (Dieng)... I believe the total of the incoming salary is in the neighborhood of $13 mil... which leaves approx $3 mil

Waive Stuckey... now we have $7 mil ... sign Wright for 3 years at $5 mil...

Give Will Bynum the remaining space to return for another season

Drummond/Dieng/Slava
Monroe/Marion/Jerebko
Wright/Singler/Middleton
Iguodala/C.J/English
Knight/Bynum

Rotation:

Drummond 30, Dieng 18
Monroe 34 , Marion/Jerebko 14
Wright 28, Singler 15, Middleton 5
Iguodala 30, Middleton 10, C.J 8
Knight 30, C.J 18

Long term we'd be looking at Drummond, Monroe and Dieng at PF/C...

Wright, Singler and Middleton at SF

Iguodala, Knight, McCullom at G

Plenty of potential there... with Iggy being the guy our kids revolve around, providing the leadership

[The Penguin]

Your plan failed the moment you stopped seeing the value in CV and Suckey's expiring contracts. You're trying to buy a contender, opposed to optimizing your assets.

This is not rocket science, raw cap space is worth much more than an expiring contract. Please get this through your head. Taking back a contract without giving anything back is worth much more than making a team pay $8 million to have CV31 pout on the end of the bench.

[Pharaoh]

an expiring contract is only worth what another team is willing to pay for it.

Would a team give us a stud making $10 mil per for CV? I guess that depends on the tax implications down the line

Personally I don't want CV and Stuckey here next season. They're been part of the problem for a while now... it's time we found some solutions!

Im also not against overpaying for talent over the next 3 years - other than Monroe no one else on this roster is due to a massive contract any time soon so I can easily view it as:

Iggy for $8 mil, Drummond for $8 mil... total spent = $16 mil

Or Millsap for $7 mil and Drummond for $6 mil... total spent $13 mil

Take advantage of these cheap contracts while we can, add some serious talent, even if it's slightly expensive... and hope that in 3 years time our team is good enough to replace the aging, expiring vets (Iggy and Millsap) with quality, cheaper options

Drummond, Monroe, Iggy, Knight and #8 = a whole lot better than any team we've put on the floor the last 4 years

And only 2 of those guys would be paid fair market value after Monroe gets his new contract!

[theBigLip]

Like most of the original plan. I took liberties with some modifications.

#8 = MCW - end of BK=PG
Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey...
Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P! (really like)
Sign Dorell Wright and Corey Brewer to reasonable contracts

Then STOP for this year - be patient, let's not blow the rest of our cap space on Milsap and Iggy.

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Marion
Wright/Singler/Jerebko
Brewer/K.C.P/Middleton/English
MCW/Knight

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe and also get a star SF with remaining FA $$$

[DetroitDon15]

I'm not interested in adding MCW. If we get MCW, the Knight era is offically over and he's a glorified sixth man. He might have been that all along. I'm also not taking KCP over Shabazz. Sorry.

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That's fine if you're not, you're not the GM anyways.

I can't see Shabazz coming here, Joe D loves high character guys and there has been a ton of reports saying he's not one.

Maybe I'm wrong though, if Joe likes him at 8.

Not trying to beat a dead horse but the same character issues were surrounding Drummond. This isn't Joe's MO. He tends to take high upside talent that falls not necessarily the best nba ready player.

[DetroitDon15]

Like most of the original plan. I took liberties with some modifications.

#8 = MCW - end of BK=PG
Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey...
Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P! (really like)
Sign Dorell Wright and Corey Brewer to reasonable contracts

Then STOP for this year - be patient, let's not blow the rest of our cap space on Milsap and Iggy.

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Marion
Wright/Singler/Jerebko
Brewer/K.C.P/Middleton/English
MCW/Knight

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe and also get a star SF with remaining FA $$$

I'd rather start the Matrix at SF if we do that deal than commit long term to a back-up SF/SG type as our starting SF.

[theBigLip]

Like most of the original plan. I took liberties with some modifications.

#8 = MCW - end of BK=PG
Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey...
Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P! (really like)
Sign Dorell Wright and Corey Brewer to reasonable contracts

Then STOP for this year - be patient, let's not blow the rest of our cap space on Milsap and Iggy.

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Marion
Wright/Singler/Jerebko
Brewer/K.C.P/Middleton/English
MCW/Knight

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe and also get a star SF with remaining FA $$$

I'd rather start the Matrix at SF if we do that deal than commit long term to a back-up SF/SG type as our starting SF.

I'm good with that. We would need a backup PF instead of Wright. The good part of either of these plans we should have some cap space for next summer, and hopefully by then MCW and KCP come up to speed.

[DetroitDon15]

Like most of the original plan. I took liberties with some modifications.

#8 = MCW - end of BK=PG
Amnesty CV-DNP, waive Stuckey...
Trade our 2 second rounders to Dallas for Shawn Marion and #13... which was K.C.P! (really like)
Sign Dorell Wright and Corey Brewer to reasonable contracts

Then STOP for this year - be patient, let's not blow the rest of our cap space on Milsap and Iggy.

Roster:

Drummond/Slava
Monroe/Marion
Wright/Singler/Jerebko
Brewer/K.C.P/Middleton/English
MCW/Knight

After this season we let Marion walk and re-sign Monroe and also get a star SF with remaining FA $$$

I'd rather start the Matrix at SF if we do that deal than commit long term to a back-up SF/SG type as our starting SF.

I'm good with that. We would need a backup PF instead of Wright. The good part of either of these plans we should have some cap space for next summer, and hopefully by then MCW and KCP come up to speed.

I'd rather get a point guard in this draft. If we could land Burke or McCollum id be happy.

[ImHeisenberg]

Your plan failed the moment you stopped seeing the value in CV and Suckey's expiring contracts. You're trying to buy a contender, opposed to optimizing your assets.

This is not rocket science, raw cap space is worth much more than an expiring contract. Please get this through your head. Taking back a contract without giving anything back is worth much more than making a team pay $8 million to have CV31 pout on the end of the bench.

I believe a team could find value in Stuckey. He could be more useful than a raw salary dump.

I'm not going to make a case for Villanueva. I just don't think he should be payed to go away. I'd rather let him waste another season rotting on the bench. Despite his terribly inefficient production, he's remained relatively professional, outside of the Garnett ordeal.

Also, that cap space is only as useful as the players you use it on. Right now, most people want to overpay role players, or have pipe dreams about whom it would be used upon.

[The Penguin]

Your plan failed the moment you stopped seeing the value in CV and Suckey's expiring contracts. You're trying to buy a contender, opposed to optimizing your assets.

This is not rocket science, raw cap space is worth much more than an expiring contract. Please get this through your head. Taking back a contract without giving anything back is worth much more than making a team pay $8 million to have CV31 pout on the end of the bench.

I believe a team could find value in Stuckey. He could be more useful than a raw salary dump.

I'm not going to make a case for Villanueva. I just don't think he should be payed to go away. I'd rather let him waste another season rotting on the bench. Despite his terribly inefficient production, he's remained relatively professional, outside of the Garnett ordeal.

Also, that cap space is only as useful as the players you use it on. Right now, most people want to overpay role players, or have pipe dreams about whom it would be used upon.

IMO The best use of the space is taking on salaries to acquire guys on rookie deals and draft picks. I see us as a season away from the playoffs, we need to be bad this year.

[Hooplah]

Thanks Hotel Vitale... well said!



No need for that... and Dorell Wright would be an epic fail? Really? Dude is 27, can play SF and SG and can drain the 3 at a high clip! Naybe $5 mil is a bit much, but as HV stated we're bidding against other teams here

The figures that have been discussed mean we have $37,256,458 committed. This includes the #8 pick and 10 other contracts (CV, Stuckey, Monroe, Drummond, Knight, Singler, Middleton, English, Jerebko, Slava)

giving us $21,243,542 in cap space...

New Plan, just like the Old one but with legit numbers:

Amnesty CV-DNP ASAP... cap space will now be $29,743,542

Draft C.J McCullom at #8 - Cheeks gets another guard to mold

2nd rounders don;t matter because they still go to Dallas

Free Agency/Trades

Iggy signs for 4 years $13 mil per... leaves $16,743,542

2 * 2013 second rounders + future 2nd rounder to Dallas for Marion and #13 (Dieng)... I believe the total of the incoming salary is in the neighborhood of $13 mil... which leaves approx $3 mil

Waive Stuckey... now we have $7 mil ... sign Wright for 3 years at $5 mil...

Give Will Bynum the remaining space to return for another season

Drummond/Dieng/Slava
Monroe/Marion/Jerebko
Wright/Singler/Middleton
Iguodala/C.J/English
Knight/Bynum

Rotation:

Drummond 30, Dieng 18
Monroe 34 , Marion/Jerebko 14
Wright 28, Singler 15, Middleton 5
Iguodala 30, Middleton 10, C.J 8
Knight 30, C.J 18

Long term we'd be looking at Drummond, Monroe and Dieng at PF/C...

Wright, Singler and Middleton at SF

Iguodala, Knight, McCullom at G

Plenty of potential there... with Iggy being the guy our kids revolve around, providing the leadership

I like drafting another guard in McCullom and signing a wing who can hit 3's, if not Wright maybe Webster. Marion makes sense too, if Dallas would do it.

They could bring back Calderon and guarantee him 3 or 4 years. It'd buy Knight some time to develop and Jose could move to the bench for the latter part of his deal. This is assuming CJ fits at SG.

Dejuan Blair could also be an affordable option with upside to replace Max's role. Then save whatever cap room is left for future deals.

Out
Bynum
Max
Stuckey
English

In
McCollum
Blair
Webster
Marion

PG Calderon/Knight
SG Webster/McCollum
SF Marion/Singler/Middleton
PF Monroe/Blair/JJ
C Drummond/Slava/CV

[Southern Piston]

English, Stuckey, and the late 2nd rd pick to dallas for Marion & 13th (let dallas buy stuckey out)
FA-Josh Smith 4yr deal; Chuancy Billups 2yr deal, JR Smith 3yr deal.
Amnesty Villanueva
Draft MCW 8#, Zeller or best available 3,4,or 5 at 13th, Ray Macculough 2nd rd.
Pull Sheed out of retirement to be a player coach (really big man coach part of job discription)
send Jarebko to atlanta for nothing after we aquire smith.

team becomes

Chauncy Billups
JR Smith
Josh Smith
Greg Monroe
Andrea Drummond

MCW
Brandon Knight
Shawn Marion
Zeller
Sheed

Ray Mcculogh
Slava Kravstov
Kyle Singler
Chris Middleton

[sfballa13]

If we are going to use our cap space to absorb contracts I'd rather make a deal with Orlando and try to get the #2 pick.

Big Baby, Harrington, Harkless, #2 for Stuckey, Jerebko, #8

Gives us the choice of McLemore / Porter.

We could draft McLemore and run Knight / McLemore / Harkless /Monroe/ Drummond

But Id rather sign Evans, draft Porter and use the following lineup next season:

Knight / Vet PG
Evans / Singler
Harkless / Porter
Monroe / Harrington / CV
Drummond / Davis

[HotelVitale]

I don't think Millsap will command that much; he didn't have a very good season last year. I'm betting he could be signed for 25.5/3.

You must be a fantasy basketball player! Millsap's raw numbers were down some since he played a little less with Favors/Kanter developing and his usage was also down a bit. But his advanced numbers were all very good, just like the last couple of seasons: PER of 20, good rebounding rate, elite assist numbers for a PF, good st/block percentages, nice shooting percentages. His rebound rate did noticeably fall but in general he had himself another quiet, high-efficiency season. And he'll be 28 when the season starts, right in his prime. I don't know what the market looks like for him, but I don't think his value dropped much because of last season.

If we are going to use our cap space to absorb contracts I'd rather make a deal with Orlando and try to get the #2 pick. Big Baby, Harrington, Harkless, #2 for Stuckey, Jerebko, #8

Salary dumps only make since in certain instances, and ORL isn't in one of them. Orlando is a full-on rebuilding team and their whole plan is to play their young guys as much as possible and tank for Wiggins et al (while keeping enough vets around that their lockerroom doesn't turn into a student's center). They have no interest in paying big dollars to veteran free agents. And on talent alone, the trade is ludicrous: Harkless is one of three prospects they're most excited about--I'm not sure they'd trade him for #8, let alone with #2 thrown in.
Also, there's a minimum salary requirement in the NBA and I'd guess that ORL is pretty close to that line. If they dumped Davis/Harrington they might be below it, meaning they'd have to trade for another overpriced vet just to be a legal NBA team this year. (EDIT: they'd be under the minimum if Arenas' amnestied contract doesn't count. If it does, they're safely over the minimum.)