Offers for Gasol?

[[RCG]]

An aging, mis-utilized Gasol is a waste of about $10-12 mil.

sure but he still better then the guy you're about to overpay this summer.

I'm not really planning on hiring anyone for anything.

[teerfour+40LG]

Serious proposal this time. Assuming that Dwight Howard returns to the Lakers.

Kings trade
Jason Thompson
Marcus Thornton
Toney Douglas or Jimmer Fredette
John Salmons

Lakers trade:
Pau Gasol + scrubs they don't want to pay.

Why for LAL:
Pau Gasol can't play with Dwight Howard, but Jason Thompson can. He would excel playing second fiddle to Dwight Howard because he has a 49.4% 10-15 foot jumper and a 42% 16-23 foot jumper. He also rebounds, hustles, and is comfortable feeding the post from the top of the key. Jason Thompson also a guy whose personality you don't have to worry about. He's not a me-first guy. He's also on a great contract.

Marcus Thornton could play starting SG while Kobe is out. He's clutch and has the killer instinct you want from your lead SG. He's a good offensive rebounder. He becomes a tradeable expiring contract after next year, and when Kobe returns he'll be an infinitely better backup than Jodie Meeks.

Toney Douglas: Only got to watch him for 22 games, but Tony Douglas was a great guard defender, and he shot .389 from three. He would improve the Lakers backcourt defense. I honestly think he could start next to Kobe without a problem, like a younger Derek Fisher.

Jimmer = better than Blake, better than Chris Doodoohon, and better than Jodie Meeks. He would provide superb spacing for Dwight.

John Salmons is essentially expiring since his contract is only guaranteed for $1 million after next year. He's a throw in to make the salaries work. He's also not a bad defender.

After this trade, the Lakers's only hole is at SF. They could use the 48th pick to draft James Southerland, a 6'8 SF who shot over 40% from 3.

Why for Kings:
Gasol is a seven footer who can shut down the paint with his length. Cousins loves Pau Gasol.

Why trade JT? Look at this depth chart. Do you really have any complaints?

Gasol / Aldrich
Cousins / PPat

Why trade MT? Guard logjam. Why trade Jimmer/TD? Guard logjam. We could get another guard easily with pick #7

[andyhei]

Serious proposal this time. Assuming that Dwight Howard returns to the Lakers.

Kings trade
Jason Thompson
Marcus Thornton
Jimmer Fredette
John Salmons

Lakers trade:
Pau Gasol
+
scrubs they don't want to pay.

Why for Kings:
Gasol is a seven footer who can shut down the paint with his length. Cousins loves Pau Gasol.

Why for LAL:
Pau Gasol can't play with Dwight Howard, but Jason Thompson can. He would excel playing second fiddle to Dwight Howard because he has a 49.4% 10-15 foot jumper and a 42% 16-23 foot jumper. He also rebounds, hustles, and is comfortable feeding the post from the top of the key. Jason Thompson also a guy whose personality you don't have to worry about. He's not a me-first guy. He's also on a great contract.

Marcus Thornton could play starting SG while Kobe is out. He's clutch and has the killer instinct you want from your lead SG. He's a good offensive rebounder. He becomes a tradeable expiring contract after next year, and when Kobe returns he'll be an infinitely better backup than Jodie Meeks.

Jimmer = better than Blake, better than Chris Doodoohon, and better than Jodie Meeks.

John Salmons is essentially expiring since his contract is only guaranteed for $1 million after next year. He's a throw in to make the salaries work.

I don't think this would help Lakers at all. The main issue of this Lakers is their backcourt is too slow to play transition defense and can't stop the penetration in the half court set. What Lakers need is someone who can provide the athleticism and defense.

Of course, Pau's mediocre mid range is part of Lakers main issue on the offensive end, but it is not as bad as the backcourt defense

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[teerfour+40LG]

The Kings actually have the guy you're looking for in Toney Douglas

[andyhei]

^ The Kings actually have just the guy you're looking for in Toney Douglas

Toney Douglas is a backup PG, and what Lakers need is a starter caliber or someone who is able to provide this kind of quality as a starter

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[tviper]

I know the considerable difference in TB opinion vs actual valuation.

Derrick Williams
Luke Ridnour
future 1st* or the #9 overall

--4--

Pau

From LAL perspective, DWilliams+Luke+Future first isn't enough anyway.

I'm not sure there is this big a "difference of opinion" on Gasol's value if you take away the Laker fans.

Does any non-Laker fan actually think Gasol at $19.6 mil, would bring back lottery picks/1sts, plus Williams plus Ridnour (exp), plus about $10 mil in cap space?

Are there any fans from the 29 other teams that would say, "No, not enough for the Lakers?"

If this is just a discussion among Laker fans where the other 29 teams opinions are ignored, then perhaps you'd get more enjoyment from this thread if it was solely on the Laker board? One guy could make a huge offer the other team would never accept, saying, "Gasol is amazing!" and the next can ask for more, saying, "No, he's more amazing than that!"

shrink, you may be right from a fans perspective on this forum, but I am confident actual GMs would be very interested in adding a skilled low post center on an expiring deal, regardless of the number provided that it doesn't send the salary over the lux tax line. Re: threads on Laker board, there are plenty that discuss Pau and possible trades. I didn't start this one on the TB, just responding. Re: this particular proposal, one of the reasons I said not enough is because of the following:

1. Pau is an all-star with strong ties to the community, Kobe, and loved by the fans. If he is traded, the FO is going to seek something better than a disappointing lottery pick (see rightwriters breakdown on another thread regarding DWilliams) in order to sell it from a PR perspective IMO.

2. Ridnour is a PG. The Lakers already have Nash, Blake, and maybe Morris, so completely useless from a roster perspective.

3. The Lakers generally don't care about picks, especially #9 in a draft devoid of all-star talent.

So, can you see this perspective? It isn't about "Gasol is amazing!" it is more about value of a player like him in today's NBA, and what assets the Lakers value in a potential trade. We are likely to see soon enough when D12 re-signs, as IMO it is unlikely that Pau stays to play out of position another year.

[[RCG]]

So give away D.Will, 1st, role-player's for an expiring contract that isn't a long-term fixture & moves the Wolves way over the cap. Not a bright idea. Plus I don't think the Wolves could even trade for him without involving at least 4 players (outside of Love)

[tviper]

So give away D.Will, 1st, role-player's for an expiring contract that isn't a long-term fixture & moves the Wolves way over the cap. Not a bright idea. Plus I don't think the Wolves could even trade for him without involving at least 4 players (outside of Love)

You could be correct, meaning that LAL and MIN are bad trade partners for Pau, despite the general sentiment that Pau and Rubio would love to play together (which is why there are so many Pau to MIN proposals).

[Leto]

^ Of course he's correct. Any trade for Gasol is almost certainly going to be viewed as a salary dump--no matter what team you're trading with. He's 33, and expiring contract, had a terrible last season and has knee problems. Not to mention, he'll likely not stay with any team past next season unless its a contender. I.E., what you're asking the Wolves to do is salary dump D Will and a #9 lottery pick for a one year rental of a 33 year old who shot 46% from the floor last season and scored 13 PPG. Flip Saunders would be fired before he even got his new business cards.

[tviper]

I am not asking MIN to do anything. That would be warren weel im. I said no deal, not enough.

But to your points, if Pau was to be traded to MIN, I doubt it would be for one year. He would probably like to finish his career there, or don't you consider MIN to be a playoff contender. Also, taking his stats from last year is a little disingenuous. You are aware, I assume, that he was playing out of position. Pretty sure Saunders would be lauded by the sports media as making a great move if he added Pau for such a paltry sum. Hardly firing material.

[andyhei]

I am not asking MIN to do anything. That would be warren weel im. I said no deal, not enough.

But to your points, if Pau was to be traded to MIN, I doubt it would be for one year. He would probably like to finish his career there, or don't you consider MIN to be a playoff contender. Also, taking his stats from last year is a little disingenuous. You are aware, I assume, that he was playing out of position. Pretty sure Saunders would be lauded by the sports media as making a great move if he added Pau for such a paltry sum. Hardly firing material.

I think Pau's contract is definitely overpaid, but he still has a lot of value on the offensive end that would help the wolves to become a playoff caliber team.
And his contract definitely won't be this high after it expired. If the Wolves can keep improving and competing in the playoff, I don't see the reason why Pau will leave Minnesota.

Derrick Williams's value will get lower after Love is coming back from the injury.
The only issue is that if the Wolves want to give up the 9th pick for Pau Gasol, and I am not sure about that. From what I learn from Wolves' board, they want to draft a swingman for 9th pick, but I just don't see the Wolves can get any talent that can immediately help the Wolves to compete for the playoff.

I think the best option to upgrade the SG is sign&trade Pekovic to get a startar caliber SG, and spend their mid-level exception on improving the depth of their bench.

A starting linup with Pau Gasol, Kevin Love, Andre Kirilenko, and Ricky Rubio, and a quality starting SG

Coached by the Princeton Guru, Rick Adelman; I think this is a team that can compete in the playoff and persuade Love to stay in Minnesota in 2015 summer

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[Prospect Dong]

So, can you see this perspective? It isn't about "Gasol is amazing!" it is more about value of a player like him in today's NBA, and what assets the Lakers value in a potential trade.

Again: The best available gauge for a disgruntled, injured but still tantalising Gasol is what the lakers paid for him when he was much younger and cheaper - delayed salary relief and B and C level prospects. It's just not clear to me why you think he's appreciated in value as his left his prime...

[Leto]

I am not asking MIN to do anything. That would be warren weel im. I said no deal, not enough.

But to your points, if Pau was to be traded to MIN, I doubt it would be for one year. He would probably like to finish his career there, or don't you consider MIN to be a playoff contender. Also, taking his stats from last year is a little disingenuous. You are aware, I assume, that he was playing out of position. Pretty sure Saunders would be lauded by the sports media as making a great move if he added Pau for such a paltry sum. Hardly firing material.

There are two types of teams that would want Gasol. One is a team looking to dump salary. The other is a team that is looking to upgrade for a couple seasons--knowing its not a long term solution--to make it to the Finals. We'll start with the first type.

His contract is for one year. His NBA life expectancy is running on empty. No team is going to give you lottery picks for Pau Gasol. No team is going to give you their young all-star caliber players for Pau Gasol. His value to other teams is primarily going to be as an expiring contract. That means no one is going to want him unless they have bad contracts they want to dump for a price. That's why Toronto wants him for Bargnani, Fields and Ross. Other teams that would want him, want him for the same purpose. That's also why Minny isn't sending you D Will, #9 etc. That you think they should send more is beyond a reasonable position. They shouldn't even consider trading for Gasol. They have no real bad contracts and already have a center--who I think is just as good and will be for a lot longer time. Further, they are NOT a contending team. Being a fringe playoff team does not make you a contender. What they need to do is continue to develop their young players and add more of them to their team--like the 9th pick. Hopefully, they can land another star in the weeds. What they DON'T need to do is trade off all their young assets for an old guy who might not last another two seasons and probably won't be with the team after next season. But more importantly, will NOT add anything more on the court than Pekovich already does. Exactly WHY would they not just sign Pek and keep D Will and the number 9 pick? If it happens that they make it to the WCF next season, they can simply sign Gasol if they want him that bad.

Secondarily, there are a few select teams like Chicago, BKN and Miami who are CURRENTLY contending might want him for his actual ability to play. Understand, however, these teams are not going to give you any of their best players because that would defeat the purpose. That's why teams like Chicago offer Boozer + and BKN offers Humphries +. They are looking for one more piece to try and get them into the Finals. What they are not looking to do is break up the core of their team for an old guy so the Lakers can contend with Kobe and Howard while they (e.g., the Bulls) effectively shorten the window they have to win.

[shagadelic45]

well said leto.

brooklyn and chicago are the top 2 with cle a third and maybe, utah and mn next...but some cap relief is the biggest thing you'll get back

[LApwnd]

Pau
for
Stuckey/TPE/8th pick (negotiable, or future 1st or 2nd's)


Stuckey/TPE
for
4th/Thomas/Gordon

[TGW]

Pau
for
Stuckey/TPE/8th pick (negotiable, or future 1st or 2nd's)


Stuckey/TPE
for
4th/Thomas/Gordon

Dream on. Gasol doesn't have anywhere close to that value.

[LApwnd]

Pau
for
Stuckey/TPE/8th pick (negotiable, or future 1st or 2nd's)


Stuckey/TPE
for
4th/Thomas/Gordon

Dream on. Gasol doesn't have anywhere close to that value.

A Det fan offered that package of stuckey/cv for Pau before probably minus the 8th pick but 2nds or future 1st would be fine, so just saying

[TGW]

There's a big difference between a package of Stuckey and Villanueva vs. Stuckey, TPE, and a lottery pick.

You may get some 2nds thrown in. Not much else...no one is giving up 1st rounders for Gasol now...that's for sure.

[LApwnd]

There's a big difference between a package of Stuckey and Villanueva vs. Stuckey, TPE, and a lottery pick.

You may get some 2nds thrown in. Not much else...no one is giving up 1st rounders for Gasol now...that's for sure.

ok...we will see....thats like others who use to post NO one will ever trade with the Lakers again after the Pau trade but guess people always doubt Magic Wand Mitch.

[Dat2U]

Wizards trade: F/C Nene, F Jan Vesely & F Chris Singleton
Lakers trade: F/C P. Gasol

Why for the Wizards: Wizards get out of Nene's deal two years earlier and are set up to have massive cap room after next season. Gasol is also a better fit offensively and he'll have the freedom in DC to operate in the high post.

Why for the Lakers: Trading Nene appears more comfortable playing alongside a true center than Gasol does at this stage of his career and should complement Howard well. Vesely & Singleton are young athletic fowards that will hustle and fill out the roster.