Jason Kidd to Coach the Nets

[Trader_Joe]

Hahaha.

Wow. And to pull a stupid publicity stunt like this with a veteran team that pretty much is supposed to win immediately is pretty amazing. I guess Prokhorov is going to have to eat that win a title in 5 years talk.

Oh good!

I feel better now given some of the things I just read in your post history

"Evans is definitely going to be a franchise level guy."

"Igoudala isn't a championship player, thats why I would rather have DeRozan."

"Over(rated): Jeff Green, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kevin Martin (maybe less now), Darren Collison, Andrew Bynum, Brendan Haywood, JJ Reddick, Josh Smith (was better last year), Pau Gasol the All Time Great, Shareef Abdur Rahim (number retired by Overrated HOF), Larry Brown, Stephen Curry in certain circles

Under(rated): Al Jefferson, Darko (no, really at this point), Ronnie Brewer, Travis Outlaw, Andris Biedrins,"

"On potential? I think Jennings. Curry is older than the other rooks and probably has less room to grow, and Jennings both has some special traits (ballhandling etc.) "

"Cousins. He is superior to Hibbert in every facet of the game in addition to actually being a mobile as opposed to the slow plodding no lateral quickness Roy Hibbert"

"Always considered Al (Jefferson) underrated, and Aldridge overrated. Jumpshooting PF who does not rebound = pretty sketchy. I'll take Big Al's boardwork and post game any day"

" What is James Harden's Potential?
Not nearly what it has suddenly been inflated to."

"Marc Gasol is not remotely a max player. That's jsut apthetic"

"Do you think Harden is a max player?
No he's not. And nobody is going to offer him the max either based on bench performances. Somebody will surely offer him $10-12mil+ though, which is going to make it hard for the Thunder."

[Viatical]

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

[Trader_Joe]

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

A major reason PJC was let go was his inability to develop the young players. Brooks, Teletovic, Shengelia and Taylor were all chained to the bench, got limited opportunities and Brooks regressed. It was said this will be a priority this season. That's why Shaw was also a serious candidate.. he was excellent with player development.
Also with Shaw his triangle would have taken a year or two to learn meaning it was not necessarily about next season.

Both Kidd and Shaw are probably short term steps back, but the goal is hopefully player development and building something here. I think the hope is Kidd is something long-term. The old face of the franchise as the face of the franchise going forward.

So overall, I think the unrealistic expectations to win now are being lessened slightly...slightly, for at least next year. After that who knows what Miami and the landscape of the league will look like.

I think the immediate goal will still remain roughly the same, Atlantic division and ECF, which is feasible as long as we don't face Miami until then. We were 3-0 against Indy, 3-1 against Boston, 2-2 against NY, 3-1 against the Bucks, 2-2 against Atlanta. Miami and Chicago were the playoff teams we struggled with.

But overall it is a risk. And probably a necessary one. We are locked into our core. We will add Bogdanovic, #22, and whatever we can for Hump, but that won't be much. The biggest "free agent" and difference maker will be our coach.

[daboywonder2007]

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

3 year plan. 1- win division. win playoff round. 2. eastern conference finals. 3. serious contender. if anyone thinks this is a championship team RIGHT NOW is fooling themselves. i hear people say the window is closing. IT WAS NEVER OPEN!!

[Paradise]

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

I'd say:

1. Win the division
2. Make through a 1st round series easily (3 winnable games squandered in that series)
3. Make it past the 2nd round


So yes. A coach with an IQ and voice and some quality bench help could have made a difference. They should have had the similar season the Knicks had last season especially since they match up well with Indiana.

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

3 year plan. 1- win division. win playoff round. 2. eastern conference finals. 3. serious contender. if anyone thinks this is a championship team RIGHT NOW is fooling themselves. i hear people say the window is closing. IT WAS NEVER OPEN!!

Nobody ever said that. The Nets are an ECF contender at best along with the Knicks, Pacers, Bulls but probably will never make it past the Heat unless Wade continues to fall apart and Allen opts out.

So, nobody is fooling themselves.

[daboywonder2007]

What is next season's goal for the Nets?

Are they hopeful for an ECF+ appearance, or are they still trying to focus on establishing a solid presence in their new town, drawing more fans to the team, and keeping new fans energized and engaged?

I think if I better understood what the Nets' short-term goals are like right now, then I would be able to in turn better evaluate a Jason Kidd coaching hire.

3 year plan. 1- win division. win playoff round. 2. eastern conference finals. 3. serious contender. if anyone thinks this is a championship team RIGHT NOW is fooling themselves. i hear people say the window is closing. IT WAS NEVER OPEN!!

Nobody ever said that. The Nets are an ECF contender at best along with the Knicks, Pacers, Bulls but probably will never make it past the Heat unless Wade continues to fall apart and Allen opts out.

So, nobody is fooling themselves.[/quote]

are you kidding me? the nets have a great future. but their time is not now. this team is not an ecf contender along with the bulls, knicks and pacers. to be honest, im not sold on the knicks either as they got exposed in the playoffs. give this team 2-3 years. the jason kidd effect will pay off. if they thought this was a championship team right now, heck even ecf team. kidd wouldnt be here. but they are looking at the BIG PICTURE.

[mcfly1204]

I would find it hard to look 2-3 years head considering teams like Detroit and Cleveland could also be on that tier at that point.

[allweneedisLOVE]

damn that is insane. retire from the NBA, coach a team 1 week later

[Trader_Joe]

I would find it hard to look 2-3 years head considering teams like Detroit and Cleveland could also be on that tier at that point.

I think the plan is this...

Year 1 - Atlantic and ECF as goals
Year 2 - Same + Finals (if Miami is disbanded, taken out or vulnerable)
Year 3 - Their "peak"
Year 4 - every contract other than D.Williams is off the books.

Supposedly they were talking about a 3 year contract, so I think this kind of makes sense.
Ultimately you hope if works out and that Kidd can be a long term fit in Brooklyn like a Popovich, Sloan, etc.

It all about match ups for this team.

3-0 vs. Pacers
3-1 vs. Boston
3-1 vs. Milwaukee
2-2 vs. ATL, NY

It was Miami and Chicago who they struggled with (Chicago was 9-3 against Miami, BK and NY in the regular season) for playoff teams.

[DarkXaero]

I don't know why you keep saying that about Shaw's preference. I believe that if the Nets really wanted Shaw, they would get him. They can simply double what the Clippers are offering Shaw in salary, and I highly doubt that anyone would turn down that offer. The markets are similar (LA and NYC), the rosters are similar (Clippers have the edge but not by that much), and there is a massive difference in the ownership (Nets win huge here). But Nets seem to want Kidd for whatever reason. Maybe as a publicity stunt, or because they really believe that he can be great for them, or a likely combination of both.

From everything I've read for the last couple weeks Shaw liked LA a lot.

Again his family is there, he has history winning there, the roster has arguably more talent and is more flexible, the weather is nicer, etc.

But not only that, you can't assume he would take the job just for money which would be the main factor. It's his decision and several factors would go into it.

But I'll remind people this isn't over:
Fred Kerber ‏@FredKerber 27s
Lengthy Brian Shaw and #Nets brass meeting was “very good.” So now we wait

Though I think he met with Shaw as a formality and not to offend D.Walsh who King is close with.

Again, no one is going to turn down double the salary, especially when the rest of the situation is almost identical (big market, playoff team).

[Trader_Joe]

Again, no one is going to turn down double the salary, especially when the rest of the situation is almost identical (big market, playoff team).

I don't know we would offer someone double the salary (I'm sure Sterling would penny up.. a coach is cheap compared to a player) .. and not only that if someone wants to be some where else, but would consider us just because of double the salary, why would we want them? Especially compared to a person who desperately wants to coach this team?

Also this just in


Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) tweeted at 7:38pm – 12 Jun 13:

After interviewing Brian Shaw for five hours … Nets on verge of naming Jason Kidd their next coach. ESPN story going online now

[Birth of the Cool]

Lol again... He is not the leader... Read what Trader Joe wrote.

You also realize that when Kidd left RJ left right after right?

Also all I have to say is.. When Josh Boone was your 4th best player. There is a problem with the team. Kidd wasn't able to play his game (like pass the ball). You also talked about how he pad his stats. So tell me how the hell did he pad his stats?? Your examples are cheating on passing lanes? Did Kidd average 3 SPG? no he average a normal 1.5 steals per game. You say he force his passes??? Who the hell did he passes it too? Josh Boone? So can you tell me how the hell did he pad his stats when he was averaging 11/10/8?

Was it the rebounding? because you know if you watch the games that year? We had Josh Boone as our best front-court player.

You are an obvious Kidd hater.

Also i didn't even like Kidd that much the time he was a Net. I really thought RJ, K-Mart was the real deal until I saw them without him. I started liking him0 when I saw the other point guard the Nets acquire like Harris and D-Will. Those players showed me how great Kidd really is in comparison to them.

Look at what he even did to RJ. He made him look like he was a great defender yet when he came to the bucks he flopped. and if you don't remember RJ was on comparison on Luol Deng on defense.

Also people are saying he needs good assistant just because the lack of experience he has. Which is understandable. So no one think he will be a bad coach he is just a question mark

What does RJ leaving after Kidd got traded have to do with anything? You were arguing Kidd was a good leader for the Nets - I argued his last year while RJ was on the team RJ was the defacto voice of the Nets as Kidd & Vince were NOT LEADERS that year. Anyone following the team that year knows this. Ugh.

Again, you make arguments that no one is even raising lol. I never said that Nets team wasn't flawed. It had a great core of Kidd/VC/RJ but had a very poor frontcourt that caused it's demise. I watched every minute of every game so duuuuh. That doesn't mean Kidd wasn't selfish that year. Your arguments are off tangent and weird.

Obvious Kidd hater? You a teenager. Hater? Any criticism is hater, any praise - homer. Weak. VC is my favourite player and Kidd/VC made an amazing backcourt duo to watch - very entertaining. I even watched Kidd since his NCAA days (LJ's UNLV teams, Fab 5 and then Kidd were the guys I really followed during their NCAA days). I already stated Kidd is an all time great PG and I admire his all-around bball/PG skills so that makes me a hater when I have doubts/criticism about him...ok. Kids these days.

Anyways on a side note to more sane conversations going on in this thread...interesting that some people are saying that Nets are not contenders and that Kidd will be good for youth development. None of us have any indication as to Kidd's philosophy - he could be a youth development/mentor type coach or he could just as easily be a guy who wants to win now so there should be no presumption about his goals yet with the Nets team.

Also, if Nets aren't in win now mode then someone needs to tell that to the organization that has JJ, Deron, Crash on the hook for 2015/2016 (2 of which are in their 30's). I thought they are win "now" with Deron, and if not then rebuild with Brook Lopez and youth movement. I think the "leaders" of this team are probably thinking win now but I haven't been following the Nets as closely as the Nets fans here so I concede I could be wrong with the Organizations outlook here.

It'll definitely be more of a circus with Kidd as Nets Coach (return of the King in many ways) then Jackson going to the Warriors. Like some have said it will definitely be interesting one way or another.

[Trader_Joe]

What does RJ leaving after Kidd got traded have to do with anything? You were arguing Kidd was a good leader for the Nets - I argued his last year while RJ was on the team RJ was the defacto voice of the Nets as Kidd & Vince were NOT LEADERS that year. Anyone following the team that year knows this. Ugh.

Again, you make arguments that no one is even raising lol. I never said that Nets team wasn't flawed. It had a great core of Kidd/VC/RJ but had a very poor frontcourt that caused it's demise. I watched every minute of every game so duuuuh. That doesn't mean Kidd wasn't selfish that year. Your arguments are off tangent and weird.

Obvious Kidd hater? You a teenager. Hater? Any criticism is hater, any praise - homer. Weak. VC is my favourite player and Kidd/VC made an amazing backcourt duo to watch - very entertaining. I even watched Kidd since his NCAA days (LJ's UNLV teams, Fab 5 and then Kidd were the guys I really followed during their NCAA days). I already stated Kidd is an all time great PG and I admire his all-around bball/PG skills so that makes me a hater when I have doubts/criticism about him...ok. Kids these days.

Anyways on a side note to more sane conversations going on in this thread...interesting that some people are saying that Nets are not contenders and that Kidd will be good for youth development. None of us have any indication as to Kidd's philosophy - he could be a youth development/mentor type coach or he could just as easily be a guy who wants to win now so there should be no presumption about his goals yet with the Nets team.

Also, if Nets aren't in win now mode then someone needs to tell that to the organization that has JJ, Deron, Crash on the hook for 2015/2016 (2 of which are in their 30's). I thought they are win "now" with Deron, and if not then rebuild with Brook Lopez and youth movement. I think the "leaders" of this team are probably thinking win now but I haven't been following the Nets as closely as the Nets fans here so I concede I could be wrong with the Organizations outlook here.

It'll definitely be more of a circus with Kidd as Nets Coach (return of the King in many ways) then Jackson going to the Warriors. Like some have said it will definitely be interesting one way or another.

The reason I think player development will be a priority is two fold:

a. It was a main reason PJC was let go. Teletovic who the FO was high on and took a discount to play here, was in the dog house all season, Brooks regressed, Taylor barely played, Shengelia never played. Player development would have helped in the playoffs when our bench stunk. Also with Bogdanovic coming over and our #22 pick, player development is one of the few ways this team has to improve and maintain going forward.

b. Kidd throughout his career made others around him better, especially young players like RJ, K.Martin and later on Krstic and Mikki Moore. This year he seemingly got Melo and JR to mature and Felton had a good year at PG. He has an ability to seemingly lead and teach that hopefully works on our players. Even Deron has a LOT he can learn from Kidd esp. when it comes to penetration and passing and defense. Lopez would have averaged 25+ ppg playing with Kidd on 55%+ I have no doubt.

Also, I don't think the expectations have gone down necessarily, but I think the pressure has gone down slightly and the expectations may be more realistic and I think the bigger picture can be more of a priority here. Kidd has a chance to develop a culture here, perhaps a long standing one. It may take a year of some regular season growing pains, but by the playoffs I would expect the same goal (ECF) and in the meanwhile a hunt for an Atlantic title. After year 1, I think we can expect even more.

[Johnny Firpo]

I just hope they don't expect him to win a championship with that roster.

[YC42Balla]

You gotta be Kiddin' me...

[Dark Faze]

Easily the most ridiculous and flat out insulting hire I've seen in professional sports.

A team that underachieved to levels that are simply embarrassing is a team that needs a hardass, proven coach to grind them into work.

Bringing in what is basically a play ers coach to be with a bunch of underachievers is a complete disaster waiting to happen and an insult to fans. Does the owner think in his wildest dreams that Andray Blatche could give two ***** what Jason Kidd thinks?

These guys don't need a pal or a friend. Jason Kidds knowledge of basketball is great and all, but this is professional sports, in a league where coaching is becoming so important in regards to a teams development. I'm not even a Nets fan but I'm kind of disgusted. Makes the league seem like a joke.

[daboywonder2007]

Easily the most ridiculous and flat out insulting hire I've seen in professional sports.

A team that underachieved to levels that are simply embarrassing is a team that needs a hardass, proven coach to grind them into work.

Bringing in what is basically a play ers coach to be with a bunch of underachievers is a complete disaster waiting to happen and an insult to fans. Does the owner think in his wildest dreams that Andray Blatche could give two ***** what Jason Kidd thinks?

These guys don't need a pal or a friend. Jason Kidds knowledge of basketball is great and all, but this is professional sports, in a league where coaching is becoming so important in regards to a teams development. I'm not even a Nets fan but I'm kind of disgusted. Makes the league seem like a joke.

how in the hell did they underacheive? they went to 7 games with the bulls. the bulls are a well coached team. thibs is a great basketball mind. the nets are right where they should be.

[Dark Faze]

Get out of here with that. The Bulls were completely depleted and the Nets were completely healthy. They underachieved and trying to say it was anything else is pure spin.

[DarkXaero]

Get out of here with that. The Bulls were completely depleted and the Nets were completely healthy. They underachieved and trying to say it was anything else is pure spin.

I agree, although that Bulls team (even when depleted) was better than it was given credit for.


Anyway, it's official, Jason Kidd will be the new Nets head coach.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

Really not sure what to expect with this hiring, will be interesting to see what kind of offense Kidd injects to the team.

What do you think Deron's #'s will look like?