Trade talks? Jazz Lindsay sitting next to Orlando GM .

Hoops Addict · Post #1 » by **Hoops Addict** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:21 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-dr ... s-eurocamp

The No. 1 And No. 2 Picks Could Be Had: Stop me if you have heard this one… draft picks are being shopped around.

Magic GM Rob Hennigan was routinely hopping around the gym in Italy either on the phone or sitting with different executives throughout the workouts in Treviso. It was clear he was kicking the tires on everything he could, but it is interesting to note the Magic did spend time with Dallas, who is looking at moving their first round pick and possibly a roster player to gain additional cap space. Hennigan finished the tournament sitting with Utah’s Dennis Lindsey, and word is the Jazz have been exploring their options too.
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Lindsay was talking with Orlando about the 2nd pick?

What makes sense? Orlando would not trade #2 for #14 straight up. They would want more....maybe a sign and trade with Jefferson/Milsap or Burks. Maybe Orlando gives us a non-toxic player?

Is it #2 for #14 , #21, and Burks? Hmmm....does someone need to put in more or take back a semi bad contract.

Orlando wants a point guard....maybe they know they can get a good one at #14.

Jazz fans. Please post your fair trade with Orlando!

Also, if we are trading up to #2....who are we picking? Is it BPA or Burke? Or is our plan to get McClemore?

king everything · Post #2 » by **king everything** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:21 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-draft-scuttle-from-adidias-eurocamp

The No. 1 And No. 2 Picks Could Be Had: Stop me if you have heard this one… draft picks are being shopped around.

Magic GM Rob Hennigan was routinely hopping around the gym in Italy either on the phone or sitting with different executives throughout the workouts in Treviso. It was clear he was kicking the tires on everything he could, but it is interesting to note the Magic did spend time with Dallas, who is looking at moving their first round pick and possibly a roster player to gain additional cap space. Hennigan finished the tournament sitting with Utah’s Dennis Lindsey, and word is the Jazz have been exploring their options too.
Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-dr ... dTEBuza.99

Lindsay was talking with Orlando about the 2nd pick?

What makes sense? Orlando would not trade #2 for #14 straight up. They would want more....maybe a sign and trade with Jefferson/Milsap or Burks. Maybe Orlando gives us a non-toxic player?

Is it #2 for #14 , #21, and Burks? Hmmm....does someone need to put in more or take back a semi bad contract.

Orlando wants a point guard....maybe they know they can get a good one at #14.

Jazz fans. Please post your fair trade with Orlando!

Also, if we are trading up to #2....who are we picking? Is it BPA or Burke? Or is our plan to get McClemore?

I uh... IDK. Im sure ppl sit next to each other all the time. Like, when theres an open seat and stuff. Theyre part of the same fraternity. Seeing two gm's sitting by each other is like seeing two players sitting next to each other. Sure sometimes theyre colluding to make a super team, but sometimes theyre just sitting together.

That being said, i'd give up 14 and Millsap in an instant for 2. Could probably talk me into throwing 21 in the mix too.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #3 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:31 pm

I'd give up the 14th, 21st and Burks for McClemore. We need his shooting, which both Burks and Hayward struggle being consistent with, and he is one of the more sure bets of the draft, in my opinion.

Hayward's driving ability with McClemore's outside shooting and Favors and/or Kanter in the middle would be pretty balanced and hard to defend. We'd still need a PG to set it all up, though.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #4 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:47 pm

We can't include Millsap or Jefferson because technically neither of them play for the Jazz right now, and S&Ts can't be done until after the free agency signing period starts July 11th or whatever. Orlando isn't going to trade the #2 pick for a promise that we will trade them Millsap or Jefferson a few weeks later. The trade would involve Favors or Kanter. No doubt. So... slim to none.

Winglish · Post #5 » by **Winglish** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:55 pm

We can't include Millsap or Jefferson because technically neither of them play for the Jazz right now, and S&Ts can't be done until after the free agency signing period starts July 11th or whatever. Orlando isn't going to trade the #2 pick for a promise that we will trade them Millsap or Jefferson a few weeks later. The trade would involve Favors or Kanter. No doubt. So... slim to none.

That's correct. The Jazz won't approach Millsap or Jefferson about any such idea. Remember that Minnesota lost five years' worth of first round draft picks due to tampering. I'm not saying it never happens, but the NBA takes tampering very seriously and I don't see the Jazz risking that. No sign and trade deals can happen until July.

pickIBL · Post #6 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:58 pm

Look guys I know the D-League doesn't get you excited but I assure you that throwing a bunch of assets to trade up is a bad idea. I just don't see any two guard being that much better than Glen RIce Jr right now. I can't justify going all in on McLemore when mocks have Rice sitting available at the bottom of the 1st round.

Rice has his red flags but his play in the D-League as a starter and in the playoffs was outstanding. I'm not sure McLemore could have done what he did in the D-League finals. While Ben was disappearing in the NCAA tournament Rice was absolutely dominating the D-League finals.

Rice and McLemore both have the same hops... they are both athletes that can score the ball. But I saw the killer instinct in Rice... haven't seen it in McLemore. So maybe the Jazz decide to swing a smaller trade up for a PG and then snatch Rice or Karasev with the lower pick.

I know a guy that played with CJ. He's a good guy on a personal level I can vouch for that. Of course he has to prove he is a PG in the NBA but I can tell you it would have been pretty hard for him to prove he's a PG at Lehigh. If he wasn't chucking shots at a highly successful rate... that team had no chance. I can promise you CJ will give you effort every night and be a good guy in the locker room if the Jazz do end up with him.

Larkin and MCW scare me as mid first round picks.

erudite23 · Post #7 » by **erudite23** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:14 pm

I'm not sure if the new CBA has a different provision (though I doubt it), but its not possible to include a player in a sign and trade until the moratorium on player movement ends in July. A Millsap S/T could not be part of a deal unless there was a lot of 'in principal' agreements made that are, technically, not legal.

More likely I see us taking on some bad contracts (Hedo and/or Al Harrington?) and including both 1st round picks. The difference between the 14th pick and 2nd picks is not nearly as large as it usually is. That's part of the beauty of this draft. Orlando needs a PG and could easily get Burke, MCW, or McCollum if the right series of events conspire at 14. Even if that fails, they get Schroeder or Larkin and then a chance to swing for it on a guy like Jamal Franklin, Noguiera, or Antetokounmpo at 21....or grab a 3 and D guy like Hardaway or Bullock. It gives them a lot of options without having to grab a guy who isn't ready to be THE MAN at 2 and then have him be overwhelmed by the expectations. The Jazz, meanwhile, can afford to bring a guy in at #2 that could develop into a star with time (McLemore, anyone?).

You can see the appeal for each team, although if its me, I hate trading out of a chance to get a real star. I think at least one of the guys taken in the top 5 will become a perennial All Star candidate. I'd love that guy to come to Utah.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:27 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if we are looking to move up, but I don't see much incentive in getting the second pick in the draft. I really don't understand why Orlando would want to move down to the 14th pick when the best incentive they're getting to do so is Burks. I'd be less surprised if we end up being the team that takes Afflalo from them so they can draft McLemore.

Winglish · Post #9 » by **Winglish** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:01 pm

@pickIBL about Rice:

...but have you ever heard the guy talk? H-o-l-y-m-o-l-y! Maybe he's smarter than he sounds...? :sigh:

pickIBL · Post #10 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:08 pm

there are some really smart guys that go on to play in Europe and the NBA... but I can name plenty of really nice guys that can barely read or write unfortunately. Killer instinct and ability to get stops down the stretch doesn't always correlate with book smarts or higher order language skills.

pickIBL · Post #11 » by **pickIBL** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Okay some people don't like to brainstorm because then posters go nuts on them for just throwing out an idea. Not endorsing anything... but what about a trade down?

Minnesota Sends
Derrick Williams (Could get a lot of time as a 4 with Utah... reinvents himself)
Rights to Henk Norel (Injured... won't be healthy til November... D-League starts in Dec... so that works)
26th Pick
59th Pick

Utah Sends
Alec Burks
Jeremy Evans
14th Pick... pretend it is larkin... don't fee so bad trading it now do ya

Utah could pick up some nice wings in the bottom of the first... Rice, Crabbe as examples... then you have two 2nd rounders to do whatever with as well. That bottom 2nd might be good on Pelle... he measured out well and he's very athletic... he's very raw and he needs to add weight... he has not impressed in workouts because everyone is stronger than him right now. With the right coaching and the D-League... he's worth the risk at the bottom of the 2nd.

Fido · Post #12 » by **Fido** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:05 pm

Hmm....so trade Burks, Evans, and the 14th pick for Derrick Williams (huge meh), a 25-yr old Euro Center (don't we already have the 26 yr old version of that in Tomic?), a 1st rounder that is 12 picks lower and a potential D-Leaguer with a very late 2nd round pick?

I don't see the draw. At all.

pickIBL · Post #13 » by **pickIBL** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:18 am

derrick Williams has had his moments... but I think his franchise is down on him. As a stretch 4 I like his potential.

king everything · Post #14 » by **king everything** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:53 am

pickIBL wrote:derrick Williams has had his moments... but I think his franchise is down on him. As a stretch 4 I like his potential.

see, we got all these posts in other threads lauding your overseas acumen... Then you go say something like this trade you're offering. Not trying to be a dick, but it's terrible.

babyjax13 · Post #15 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:57 am

king everything wrote:
pickIBL wrote:derrick Williams has had his moments... but I think his franchise is down on him. As a stretch 4 I like his potential.
see, we got all these posts in other threads lauding your overseas acumen... Then you go say something like this trade you're offering. Not trying to be a dick, but it's terrible.

Yup. Burks + a minor incentive would probably be about spot on in value, but I'd rather just keep Burks. Williams is a decent enough player, but nothing to build around.

pickIBL · Post #16 » by **pickIBL** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:34 am

To be fair the common phrase is to refer to the young guys as the core 4... which includes burks. And the term core generally means guys you are wanting to build around. If you are willing to call burks core... then Williams ought to be considered someone young enough and good enough to be a core player as well. He's not going to live up to where he was drafted... but I can see him as a starting 4 man in this league. Williams measured out at 6'8.75 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan... he's big enough to play the 4. A change of scenery could be good for him.

kebutah · Post #17 » by **kebutah** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:49 am

Williams was a good college player with good defensive instincts. Unfortunately for him he was drafted by a team that had an all star at his best position. He will never be a 3 at the pro level. He looked decent last year when he was given the chance.

Fido · Post #18 » by **Fido** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:03 am

Well, it just feels like we would be weakening our guard position to have a 3 big man rotation of Favors/Kanter/Williams. I'd have to be convinced with the rest of the plan to fill out the guard line. So we'd have Hayward and ???.

king everything · Post #19 » by **king everything** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:13 am

pickIBL wrote:To be fair the common phrase is to refer to the young guys as the core 4... which includes burks. And the term core generally means guys you are wanting to build around. If you are willing to call burks core... then Williams ought to be considered someone young enough and good enough to be a core player as well. He's not going to live up to where he was drafted... but I can see him as a starting 4 man in this league. Williams measured out at 6'8.75 in shoes with a 7'1.5 wingspan... he's big enough to play the 4. A change of scenery could be good for him.

Yeah, but we've got a starting 4.

BringtheD · Post #20 » by **BringtheD** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:39 am

I don't like the trade idea, not because I don't like D.Williams, but because if we trade Burks I hope it is for a pg. The problem with Williams is he's really too small to play the 4, and he isn't consistent enough at shooting to play the 3, and he's too big to be a lock down defender on the perimeter. I just think it is bewildering that the wolves took D.Williams over Kanter when we knew this at the time when D.Williams was drafted, but then that was Kahn we are talking about. Kanter on the other hand is a bully in the paint and he just needs more minutes and he will be a double double machine, so glad the wolves passed on Kanter. It makes me think that Kanter must've stunk it up in his wolves work out on purpose so that he could be a jazz man.