The Lebron Thread (Pt. 3)

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Post#321 » by Wooderson » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:40 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:Wade guarded Stephenson.

Also I honestly don't remember if he was average against George before game 7 and I remember him primarily guarding West because Battier got in foul trouble a bit...


Wade guarded George a ton prior to game 7, and LBJ spent a good amount of time on Stephenson. Also, lots of PG's success came in transition off of Heat TOs.

As to Battier, he was pretty awful on both ends anytime he was on the court playing just 17, 8, 4, 0 minutes in Games 4/5/6/7 respectively. It seemed like LeBron was on West a lot in the 4th, especially towards the end of the series.
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Post#322 » by colts18 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:43 pm

I think Spo should play Battier more. I don't get how Battier went from like 25-30 MPG to no MPG. The Heat need his shooting but more importantly they need his defense in this series.
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Post#323 » by TheChosen618 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:49 pm

colts18 wrote:I think Spo should play Battier more. I don't get how Battier went from like 25-30 MPG to no MPG. The Heat need his shooting but more importantly they need his defense in this series.

Because his jump shot is missing and his defense is nothing special anymore. Mike Miller has been better and by a lot. He has kept the Heat in the game with his dead-eye shooting.
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Post#324 » by Wooderson » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:50 pm

colts18 wrote:I think Spo should play Battier more. I don't get how Battier went from like 25-30 MPG to no MPG. The Heat need his shooting but more importantly they need his defense in this series.


Battier has even less confidence in his jumper than LeBron does right now. It's not just that Battier is shooting 22% from 3 point land, it's that the misses aren't even close. And with Miller shooting en fuego from distance, I don't think there's a place for Shane.

I know that last year he really struggled pre-finals and then went nuts against OKC, but his shot never sunk to as low as it's been this postseason.

I see your point about defense and defending the 3 ball, and agree it's very important, but I think that's more on Wade and Spo's scheme. I don't understand how Wade can continue to cheat off of scorching hot Danny Green, leaving him wide open.
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Post#325 » by TheChosen618 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:51 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:
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GC Pantalones wrote:17/9.3 (3.2 off reb) on 51.1 TS (111 ORTG) before game 7 where Lebron switched to George. West was had his best series against Miami (hell the other guy Lebron checked did too).

LeBron didn't guard West in quarters 1-3. He guarded him mostly in the 4th. West pounded Battier and Bosh, not LeBron

Who'd he check then? George (who went off too)?

Lebron's main man before Game 7 was Stephenson and Wade's main man was George.

It doesn't matter though because when Lebron did guard George before Game 7, George was actually crapping all over him. George played a bad game 7 though with him missing the looks he made all series and also because Lebron's defensive intensity was turned up.

Lebron guarded West and other bigs in the 4th quarter though.
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Post#326 » by Brenice » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:14 pm

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Jordan KNEW when his team was in trouble if he didn't dominate with his scoring.


Yes I hear you, but thats the beauty about LeBron (even moreso than Jordan).. when he's at his best, he can be scoring at will WHILE also setting up teammates.

I feel that last night it wasn't as much him 'not sensing' that he needed to take over, he just couldn't for a number of reasons: 1) Spurs were blitzing him whenever he put the ball on the floor 2) While clearly not wanting him to drive, his defender would give him space daring him to hit a jumper.. and he just couldn't. By the 3rd quarter he realized he needed to get something going if Miami was gonna hang around, but he just couldn't hit a shot. He took plenty, he just couldnt score.

Jordan even had nights like that in the finals though where his FG% was really low, but Jordan was able to still get his 20+ thanks to free throws, which for some inexplicable reason, the refs are not giving LeBron any. Granted he's not driving as much because of the defense SA is playing, but still.. he has been in heavy traffic begging for calls at times and the refs are not giving the best player in the game anything/[/quote]

They both set up their teammates. The difference is that Jordan would bail out from scoring and passes the ball when he had no other alternative while LeBron bails out from passing and scores when passing options aren't there. Part of the problem is his mid-range game/pullup game ain't a layup to LeBron but it was a layup to Jordan. People think because players extend to 3 range that they are better. Really, they are not. They are lost mid-range.
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Post#327 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Spo is considering starting Lebron at Center tonight per sportscenter

More details to come and Windhorst about to come on and talk about it

Mike Miller into the starting lineup would be the change
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Post#328 » by E-Balla » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:26 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:Spo is considering starting Lebron at Center tonight per sportscenter

More details to come and Windhorst about to come on and talk about it

Mike Miller into the starting lineup would be the change

I've never hoped someone did something less. Duncan would eat Lebron alive and they'll still be able to play way off Lebron without exposing their bigs anymore than they have already been.
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Post#329 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:28 pm

Him starting at Center would basically mean Bosh benched, and I can't see that. I don't know why ESPN speculated that

Edit: Windhorst just put up an article and speculates Haslem is the odd man out, which would make more sense

Chalmers-Wade-Miller-Lebron-Bosh, but Lebron probably will see some time on Duncan

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/st ... ources-say
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Post#330 » by MaliBrah » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:34 pm

GC Pantalones wrote:
JulesWinnfield wrote:Spo is considering starting Lebron at Center tonight per sportscenter

More details to come and Windhorst about to come on and talk about it

Mike Miller into the starting lineup would be the change

I've never hoped someone did something less. Duncan would eat Lebron alive and they'll still be able to play way off Lebron without exposing their bigs anymore than they have already been.

bosh will guard duncan though and play centre , lebron will be at PF
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Post#331 » by E-Balla » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:36 pm

Ok that's way better. Lebron's a better bigman than Haslem...
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Post#332 » by MaliBrah » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:41 pm

yeah , haslem's been doing a pretty good job on duncan though so thats the tradeoff

this could be a move that pays off , spurs have been packing the paint and this could open up some lanes for lebron and because of the defence the spurs are playing miller will have open looks all game long.
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Post#333 » by PCProductions » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:41 pm

I tend to tune out Windhorst. Dude is an idiot.

However, Miller replacing Haslem makes a lot of sense. Haslem had a couple of nice games against Indiana but he quickly regressed to his usual self. Though I'm not so sure about that lineup defensively.
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Post#334 » by CJ_18 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:57 pm

I would rather see Chalmers or Bosh start on the bench.

Taking Chalmers out means LeBron is forced to be more involved with the ball. Plus I feel Chalmers makes too many bonehead plays, and with Miller filling in, you'll still have your shooters, and Millers a better shooter than chalmers anyway.

Don't like how Bosh has been playing. Trying too hard. Not hitting anything, not rebounding.. Let him come off the bench with the 2nd unit and shooters and give him his iso plays like he had in Toronto. Its better than putting him on with Wade and James and turning him into a jumpshooter
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Post#335 » by TheChosen618 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:01 pm

Maybe it's just me, but I love it when Lebron plays PF and plays big. It's not as flashy, but it's actually more effective.
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Post#336 » by CJ_18 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:15 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I love it when Lebron plays PF and plays big. It's not as flashy, but it's actually more effective.


Right now I think it would be good to get him the ball in the high post in triple threat.. shorter jumper if he wants to take it, and also gives the defense less time to collapse on him if he wants to attack the basket. He did alot of that last year against OKC in the finals... was very effective.
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Post#337 » by TheChosen618 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:27 pm

CJ_18 wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I love it when Lebron plays PF and plays big. It's not as flashy, but it's actually more effective.


Right now I think it would be good to get him the ball in the high post in triple threat.. shorter jumper if he wants to take it, and also gives the defense less time to collapse on him if he wants to attack the basket. He did alot of that last year against OKC in the finals... was very effective.

He has been getting a lot of high post opportunities so far in this series. He hasn't been getting enough low-post though, but even then the Spurs defense collapses and rotates very well especially compared to OKC. I suppose he could get a little closer in the high post, but the low-post is where he needs to make his imprint.
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Post#338 » by CJ_18 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:34 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:
CJ_18 wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:Maybe it's just me, but I love it when Lebron plays PF and plays big. It's not as flashy, but it's actually more effective.


Right now I think it would be good to get him the ball in the high post in triple threat.. shorter jumper if he wants to take it, and also gives the defense less time to collapse on him if he wants to attack the basket. He did alot of that last year against OKC in the finals... was very effective.

He has been getting a lot of high post opportunities so far in this series. He hasn't been getting enough low-post though, but even then the Spurs defense collapses and rotates very well especially compared to OKC. I suppose he could get a little closer in the high post, but the low-post is where he needs to make his imprint.


Maybe I mean midpost... Just wherever he can hit easy jumpers, get to the basket in one dribble, and low enough so the defense is agitated and cheats inside, leaving shooters open who LBJ can find.

But yes lowpost is good too, he just needs to find ways to get inside and somehow if these refs can give the man the respect he deserves, he can maybe get to the free throw line. No reason why LeBron James should have 0 FTA the last 2 games.
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Post#339 » by Chalky White » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:05 pm

LeBron doesn't have the footwork or phsicality to be consistently fed in the post. He has no go to or counter moves.
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Post#340 » by TheChosen618 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:11 pm

Chalky White wrote:LeBron doesn't have the footwork or phsicality to be consistently fed in the post. He has no go to or counter moves.

I'm pretty sure everybody on the 2012 Thunder team would disagree with you.
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