Official: Hollins Will Not Return as Grizz Coach

[SD2042]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... -Grizzlies

Unfortunately as expected, both sides reached the point of no return. No surprises there with the new regime wanting to implement their own system and personel into the mix. This move no doubt may stir some anger with Grizz fans considering how they not only won 56 games for the first time in franchise history, but achieve to go to the Western Conference Finals for the first time in franchise history.

Thx to Coach Hollins for his efforts on guiding the Grizzlies to this point in history.

[dark-child]

This new crew will do things there way but there are two different ways to react to change, you can react like Coach Hollins did which was combative or you can react like Chris Wallace has even though you get demoted for someone with zero years of experience gets your VP of basketball operations title. While both men will be gone when their respective contracts are up, one of them was clearly easier to work with and pull the rope in the same direction.

Unfair, yes but Coach Hollins made it way to easy for them to let him go.

[BIG EDDIE]

Whats the situation? I missed it completely (OKC fan).
I thought Hollins is one of the best coaches in the NBA, so why on earth would the Grizzlies let him just walk away? Or why did Hollins wanna leave? What changes are there gonna be?
Thanks for a quick briefing

[GrizzledGrizzFan]

Karl and Hollins were both let go for very similar reasons. Front Office in both cases had an agenda to see certain young players get time on the court and a chance to develop. Both Karl and Hollins refused to play the younger players. Friction ensued. In Karl's case, he played his hand and asked for an extension. Denver reacted by jettisoning him. With the Grizz, it became apparent that Hollins likely wouldn't change if given a long term deal (true or not).

[vanjulio]

kinda reminds me of the old saying: fast, cheap, and functional - pick any 2.
I think we 're trading cheap and functional in the current regime change for cheap and fast. but we'll see.

[jefe]

Karl and Hollins were both let go for very similar reasons. Front Office in both cases had an agenda to see certain young players get time on the court and a chance to develop. Both Karl and Hollins refused to play the younger players. Friction ensued. In Karl's case, he played his hand and asked for an extension. Denver reacted by jettisoning him. With the Grizz, it became apparent that Hollins likely wouldn't change if given a long term deal (true or not).

What do you make of the "golf gate" story? If true, it indicates bigger problems than simply disagreeing on playing time for specific players. While I don't agree with the decision, I understand it (again, if the story is true, and it is taken in context of the other shots hollins took at management throughout the year)

[SD2042]

On Karl, I wonder if their former GM didn't take the job @ Toronto, would he had retained his job?

[BIG EDDIE]

Karl and Hollins were both let go for very similar reasons. Front Office in both cases had an agenda to see certain young players get time on the court and a chance to develop. Both Karl and Hollins refused to play the younger players. Friction ensued. In Karl's case, he played his hand and asked for an extension. Denver reacted by jettisoning him. With the Grizz, it became apparent that Hollins likely wouldn't change if given a long term deal (true or not).

I still dont get the point. Who was he supposed to play more minutes? Leuer? Wroten? Ok maybe Daye and Ed Davis but they were new to the system anyways...I mean, a coach is supposed to play the best players that are available. Give the best chance to win games. Grizzlies did very well last year, so I dont get the point of this at all.

[jumivi]

Ohhh, c´mon he and hes stuff (David Joerger) failed to defend the pick and roll, thats why i think THEY must go. i belive hes ok, but not been able to adjust that, deserves not been renewed (neither hes coaching defense Joerger), not because we lost, is how we lost.

[dark-child]

ONLY IN MEMPHIS

Most wins in franchise history and first appearance in Western Conference Finals, with an unbalanced roster (no outside shooting and no true backup center) and there is still complaining about the coaching.

Unbelievable!
Was Hollins perfect? NO
Was he abrasive? YES
Did he deserve to keep his job? yes

Granted, ownership has the right to employ there own people, but lets not get it twisted there was clear deception regarding his dismissal. According to reports at no point prior to the season ending or once it ended did they indicate to Hollins directly that their were philosophical differences (even if they were obvious). In the exit meeting with Pera & Levien they were going to engage his agent regarding negotiations and they appreciate the job that was done? Hollins is not blameless for comments regarding personnel soon thereafter, but it is obvious that the duo is anti-confrontational and would prefer a more congenial coach and short of the Grizz winning the championship he was not going to be back. Now the Golf gate issue is merely a distraction and whether it is true or not is really not the issue but the bigger issue is regarding the gate keeper in all of this which is the Agent, who represents, Hollins, Joerger, Karl, Gentry, so the conflicts of interest are apparent. When the so called negotiations went to Hell it was with communications with the Agent, when the alleged invitation was broached it was apparently not given to or asked of Hollins directly man to man but through the Agent, so there is no guarantee that he received it due to the Agent maybe not wanting his client negotiating directly, or since his client is prone to emotional outburst not self destructing. Who really knows, but the Agent wins if Hollins gets another job, Joerger gets the Grizz job, and in all likelihood Karl gets a new job.

[jumivi]

ONLY IN MEMPHIS

Most wins in franchise history and first appearance in Western Conference Finals, with an unbalanced roster (no outside shooting and no true backup center) and there is still complaining about the coaching.

Unbelievable!
Was Hollins perfect? NO
Was he abrasive? YES
Did he deserve to keep his job? yes

pointless

did he makes any plays for zach? NO
did he makes plays for Marc in the post? NO
did something to defend the pick and roll? NO

and still played the WCF, maybe with another coach we can reach the FINALS???

anyways i really appreciate what he did.

[Snoopie]

ONLY IN MEMPHIS

Most wins in franchise history and first appearance in Western Conference Finals, with an unbalanced roster (no outside shooting and no true backup center) and there is still complaining about the coaching.

Unbelievable!
Was Hollins perfect? NO
Was he abrasive? YES
Did he deserve to keep his job? yes

pointless

did he makes any plays for zach? NO
did he makes plays for Marc in the post? NO
did something to defend the pick and roll? NO

and still played the WCF, maybe with another coach we can reach the FINALS???

Lol, sorry mate, but that's all a load of crap. Did he do those things? No, he didn't. Did he get the most of out of this team? Hell yes, he damn well did! At the start of the season did anyone think we would make the WCF? Anyone who answers yes is a liar. We knew we could make the playoffs... perhaps even advance to the 2nd round, but making the WCF would not have been a KPI with this group. Even more so after the Gay trade.

Hollins got more out of the Grizzlies than any coach ever has (for the Grizzlies franchise) and now he is not getting a contract renewal simply because he didn't conform to the front office's philosophy. A new coach may be good for the team, and it may even help us advance in the playoffs, but to suggest that he must go simply because he didn't make a few adjustments in ONE series is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[sseppel]

Marc Gasol on Lionel Hollins leaving.

Le ha sorprendido negativamente que Memphis haya decidido no renovar a Lionel Hollis, quien ha sido su entrenador en las últimas cinco temporadas.

"Le tengo un cariño especial, no como entrenador ni como profesional, eso es obvio, se lo tengo como persona porque he convivido con él durante muchos años y esta decisión es algo que hará que los Grizzlies y yo tengamos que hablar", ha señalado Gasol, quien, en cualquier caso, ha querido dejar claro que su compromiso con el club y con la ciudad es "máximo".

Translation.

He was surprised that Memphis decided not to keep Hollins, his coach for the last 5 seasons.

"I am fond of him, not as a coach or as a professional (that is obvious), but as a person, because we have got along for many years. This call will make me have a conversation with the Grizzlies" said Gasol, who, in any case, wanted to make clear his total commitment with the city and the club.


I don't think the players are going to like this a bit. What will Bayless and Tony Allen do?

[vanjulio]

good translation.

It seems a good sign that Gasol expects to talk with management about it. When management makes any decisions at my workplace there is no discussion with peons like myself.

[jumivi]

ONLY IN MEMPHIS

Most wins in franchise history and first appearance in Western Conference Finals, with an unbalanced roster (no outside shooting and no true backup center) and there is still complaining about the coaching.

Unbelievable!
Was Hollins perfect? NO
Was he abrasive? YES
Did he deserve to keep his job? yes

pointless

did he makes any plays for zach? NO
did he makes plays for Marc in the post? NO
did something to defend the pick and roll? NO

and still played the WCF, maybe with another coach we can reach the FINALS???

Lol, sorry mate, but that's all a load of crap. Did he do those things? No, he didn't. Did he get the most of out of this team? Hell yes, he damn well did! At the start of the season did anyone think we would make the WCF? Anyone who answers yes is a liar. We knew we could make the playoffs... perhaps even advance to the 2nd round, but making the WCF would not have been a KPI with this group. Even more so after the Gay trade.

Hollins got more out of the Grizzlies than any coach ever has (for the Grizzlies franchise) and now he is not getting a contract renewal simply because he didn't conform to the front office's philosophy. A new coach may be good for the team, and it may even help us advance in the playoffs, but to suggest that he must go simply because he didn't make a few adjustments in ONE series is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

ONE SERIES????? omg look at the season. Look how we defended the pick and roll all season.
zero plays for Zo, sometimes when he or marc were hot, we stop getting the ball inside, basically because the other team made adjustments and we not.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/2/6/3960212/zach-randolph-memphis-grizzlies-offense-lionel-hollins

Quincy had to play more minutes, we all know that Prince didnt feel confortamble and we need hes outside shootting.

He had questionable defensive adjustments, I remember against knicks zach deffending shumpert, result: http://www.nba.com/games/20130327/MEMNYK/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

so, if westbrook was healthy, if griffin was healthy i dont know could happend. what if we played san antonio in first round?
i just saying thruts, hes is a good coach, but he committed some major mistakes. I think we need a change.....
dont panic, we will be fine.

by the way, when we trade rudy for Ty, dave and Davis i belived we can reach the finals. Unfortunately Prince didnt appear and Davis & Dave hardly played.

[dark-child]

So basically you are saying this team could not defend the pick and roll all year and the coach was not a factor and they made the conference finals in spite of these obstacles?

Since Dave Joeger was the architect of the defense why is he not held responsible for any issues with the defense?

It would seem you want to give Dave the credit but not the blame! (that seems fair)

[Snoopie]

Lol, that post isn't even worthy of a response...

We played a good season and that was, in part, due to Hollins. How people can blame him for us not making the Finals is beyond me.

Anyhow, good luck to him. Hope he does well.

EDIT: I'm obviously not talking about your post dark-child, but the one before it..

[jumivi]

So basically you are saying this team could not defend the pick and roll all year and the coach was not a factor and they made the conference finals in spite of these obstacles?

Since Dave Joeger was the architect of the defense why is he not held responsible for any issues with the defense?

It would seem you want to give Dave the credit but not the blame! (that seems fair)

read my first post.

[jumivi]

Lol, that post isn't even worthy of a response...

We played a good season and that was, in part, due to Hollins. How people can blame him for us not making the Finals is beyond me.

Anyhow, good luck to him. Hope he does well.

EDIT: I'm obviously not talking about your post dark-child, but the one before it..

uff, did you read my post??? i have to explain everything? for example, he didnt shoot the free throws, so not, im not saying he is 100% responsible, but he (AND HIS STUFF) committed serious mistakes. unfortunately for him, his contract ran out... i didnt want him to be cut in the season, he didnt deserve that.
I dont understand why u r so crazy about Hollins, i dont think he is irreplaceable.

anyhow
We played a good season and that was, in part, due conley, marc, allen (3 top 10 defensive players) zbo, pondexter, bayless & hollins. i repeat, i didnt blame him, remember his contrat expired...

[Snoopie]

I never said he was irreplaceable. But let's get some perspective and not jump on the first 'sack the coach' bandwagon that rolls along.

I am responding to your apparent hysterical hatred of Hollins and all the mistakes he made this year. A year where we won a record number of regular season games, made it to the WCF for the first time in Grizzlies history, all the while without our top scorer for the 2nd half of the season + playoffs. How you, or anyone, can find fault with a coach who achieves all that is beyond me. I like Hollins because he is a GREAT coach and he gave this team its identity. An identity, I might add, that got us to the playoffs. You think we would have gotten anywhere in the last 3 years if we weren't a super defensive team? Sheez, I hate to think of the carnage on the court if we were defensively limp...

I read your multiple posts. You don't have to explain anything because they just don't stack up when you compare your comments to the year we have had. They read like a groupie who heard somewhere that Hollins was a bad coach and decided to jump on the ranting wagon. He didn't commit serious mistakes. He made mistakes and he will learn from them. Good Lord, if every coach was fired after one bad playoffs series and a year where their team only lost 26 games the NBA would be full of scrub coaches and under-performing teams.