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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#421 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri May 17, 2013 10:28 pm

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fatlever wrote:how on earth does ben gordon get a C+?

Ben Gordon receives a lot of leniency and benefit of the doubt around the league due to his successful years as a borderline all-star in Chicago's playoff runs when they were nicknamed the Baby Bulls. I thought he deserved a C personally. He did have decent production and percentages for someone playing under 21 minutes per game if you look at the box scores alone but it was just horribly ugly to watch. Too bad that we had to experience it.


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Post#422 » by HornetJail » Fri May 17, 2013 11:12 pm

Bismack gets a C and Ben F***ing Gordon gets a C+. Something isn't right here.
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Post#423 » by Snidely FC » Sat May 18, 2013 12:31 am

I would give him a "D" for "Detrimental."
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Post#424 » by Snidely FC » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:13 pm

Hey, Ben Gordon,

If Andre Iguodola can opt out, so can you.

Please?

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Post#425 » by countryboi » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:22 am

Anything more than a F is too high.
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Post#426 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:41 pm

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Post#427 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:50 am

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Post#428 » by HornetJail » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:30 am

Damn you Gordon, couldn't you have opted in yesterday so that we could've used you as trade bait in the draft?
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Post#429 » by Elden Payton » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:33 am

What a surprise!

Cho will most likely flip him for something imo.
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Post#430 » by JMAC3 » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:32 am

Funny how many of us thought Gordon would be one of the leading scorers on this squad this time last year. Now we can not wait to dump him.

Sure would be nice if Clifford finds a role Gordon can excel in and maybe be able to deal him at the deadline, but not getting my hopes up.
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Post#431 » by Snidely FC » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:36 pm

When I look at the back of his jersey this year I will only see the name, "EXPIRING"
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Post#432 » by HornetJail » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:48 am

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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#433 » by fatlever » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:06 pm

is anyone surprised to see gordon dead **** last on this list? outside of this board i dont think gordon got enough recognition last year for just how awful he was.
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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#434 » by HornetJail » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:50 pm

fatlever wrote:is anyone surprised to see gordon dead **** last on this list? outside of this board i dont think gordon got enough recognition last year for just how awful he was.

A lot of people still think he's one of our best players based on his Chicago days. And yes I am really surprised to see Gordon down there.

Search for Diop, he's a little below the middle of the pack. :lol:

Mullens is near the bottom, but is ahead of guys like Ross.

Biggest surprise was Birdman and Amir Johnson cracking the top 20
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Post#435 » by JMAC3 » Wed Aug 7, 2013 6:42 am

I hope Clifford finds a better way to use Gordon this season compared to just trying to score in isolation like Dunlap had him doing. It would be nice to see him just spot up in the corner or run off some baseline picks to get an open look rather than just give him the ball and get ready to play defense.

You would think Sessions would be able to find him on drive and kicks, or if he plays with Zeller or Jefferson off post feeds. I just want to see him take less shots, while taking better shots. Last season he took way too many bad shots, even if he did carry the second unit for stretches.
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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#436 » by HornetJail » Wed Aug 7, 2013 1:52 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I hope Clifford finds a better way to use Gordon this season compared to just trying to score in isolation like Dunlap had him doing. It would be nice to see him just spot up in the corner or run off some baseline picks to get an open look rather than just give him the ball and get ready to play defense.

You would think Sessions would be able to find him on drive and kicks, or if he plays with Zeller or Jefferson off post feeds. I just want to see him take less shots, while taking better shots. Last season he took way too many bad shots, even if he did carry the second unit for stretches.

He should get our FO to trade Gordon back to Detroit so that he can lead them to the 9th pick.
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Post#437 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Aug 7, 2013 2:44 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:He should get our FO to trade Gordon back to Detroit so that he can lead them to the 9th pick.


Pistons want a first rounder with Gordon for Charlier Villanueva.
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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#438 » by HornetJail » Wed Aug 7, 2013 2:47 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:He should get our FO to trade Gordon back to Detroit so that he can lead them to the 9th pick.


Pistons want a first rounder with Gordon for Charlier Villanueva.

Pistons can have our 2nd rounder. :lol:
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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#439 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Aug 7, 2013 3:19 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:He should get our FO to trade Gordon back to Detroit so that he can lead them to the 9th pick.


Pistons want a first rounder with Gordon for Charlier Villanueva.


Hahaha. Id rather just keep Gordon and let him expire.
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Re: Humble Yourself - The Ben Gordon Thread 

Post#440 » by fatlever » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:09 pm

wanted to post this in the gordon thread also, so we can easily find this data when needed

lets harp on gordon some more please. lets get all the ammo against him in one place

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213CHA.HTM

of all the players who played at least 10% of the minutes last year, only mullens had a worse on court, off court +/- than gordon

his on court, off court +/- was an astounding -6.8, compared to MKG who had a +4.9 (i used MKG as a comparison, since those two often played for each other and rarely together.)

net PER vs his opponents at sg was -4.9.

http://www.82games.com/1213/12CHA4.HTM

defensive rating of of 115, worst on the team from anyone who played regular minuts
offensive rating of 96, which is only better than mullens, haywood, diop, thomas and higgins. thats awful for a guy who is supposed to be a great offensive player
that defensive rating of 115 was tied for worst in the league last year for players who played over 500 minutes. his 115 defensive rating was tied for 29th worst in the history of the league for players who played over 1500 minutes in a season.
defensive win shares of 0.2 tied for 13th worst in history of the league for players over 1500 minutes

defensive win shares of -0.2 worst on the team
offensive win shares of -0.4 2nd worst on the team, ahead of only mullens
win shares of -0.6 worst on the team
win share/48 minutes -0.018 3rd worst on the team ahead of higgins and tryus

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2013.html

net team offensive rating with gordon on the floor was -15.1
net team offensive rating with gordon on the bench was -6.8
thats a difference of -8.3 net offensive rating when he was on the floor vs off the floor. only mullens at -8.7 was worse.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2013/

he had the highest usage % on the team of anyone who played more than a few games - why?
he had the 13th worse turnover % on the team
just missed having a negative assist:turnover ration


you like xRAPM stats?

gordon was a -5.57 defensive RAPM, worst on the team, by a large margin and worst in the entire league. he was the only player over -5.0. next worse was fredette at -4.9, then morrow at -4.3.
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/CHA.html

he was dead **** last on combined xRAPM rankings for the league
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html

and my post at the end of last season comparing gordon with MKG for the last month of the season

just how pathetic was gordon over the past month or so? check out his +/- numbers compared to MKG. Gordon and MKG rarely were on the court together over the past month. MKG would play 1st and 3rd quarters, Gordon would play 2nd and part of 4th. when MKG played it was usually kemba/hendo/mkg and when gordon played it was usually pargo(or kemba)/gordon/henderson.

MKG Gordon
12 -12 cavs
14 -7 knicks
21 -11 bucks
-6 -15 pistons
-4 -8 grizzlies
-5 0 nets
-4 -6 heat
-1 5 sixers
2 -11 sixers
-8 5 knicks
2 -7 magic
-8 -22 heat
8 4 pistons

gordon was - 85 over this stretch, MKG was +23 over this stretch.

i dont buy the argument that gordon has worse numbers because he played with the bench. gordon got a ton of time playing with kemba and henderson during the 4th quarters.

you dont have to be a john hollinger stats guru to see the impact gordon had on this team over the last month. he was awful. simply awful.




gordon was just bad last year, he was historically bad. come on bonnell, call this guy out for the disaster that he was last year. either he can't play any more and that needs to be addressed by benching him or he quit on the team last year, which should result in some public shaming. which is it?

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