Draft prospects @ 10

[deanwoof]

try and name 10 NBA SG's that are definitely better

kobe
wade
harden
Gordon
ellis
mayo
ray
Thompson
ginobili
beal
jr smith
jamal Crawford
danny green
paul George
tony allen
joe Johnson
demar derozan
vince carter
avery Bradley

edit: iman shumpert
Gordon Hayward
tobias harris
jimmy butler
jj redick
kevin martin
gallinari


that took me about 30 seconds and im probably forgetting a lot more.... wes Matthews is a good player, I like the guy. but he is nothing special. take off your homer glasses for 10 seconds. it would be the smart move to start a young player with potential then a guy who is likely a career role player. it doesn't even matter because kcp is going to the wolves anyway

I'm impressed if you really did type that in 30 seconds, and via phone or tablet especially. I can barely say those names in 30 seconds let alone type it.

[DusterBuster]

lol. im done arguing. at full health all of those players are better than wes Matthews. have a good day.

Ah the Eric Cartman method of debate
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96a_RS_vYw[/youtube]

Winner.

[Goldbum]

^^^^ I try not to get involved with these sorta turd flinging competitions. I have to say o do disagree with a lot of that list though. I would say Wes is easily better than 11 of those players. And several aren't even SG's.

[nickforthreee]

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

please tell me youre kidding. please.

[Goldbum]

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

Wes is easily better than 17 of those players.

please tell me youre kidding. please.

LOL I thought the same thing. I meant to post 11 but hit the wrong key on my smartphone. That is funny though. Gotta love Real GM. Maybe someone will.make that into a sarcastic signature.

[Wizenheimer]

try and name 10 NBA SG's that are definitely better

kobe - yes
wade - yes
harden - yes
Gordon- no...can't stay healthy, has Brandon Roy legs
ellis - only if you like low-efficiency, high usage chuckers
mayo - LOL...not a chance
ray - Allen?...nope....maybe 5 years ago, but he's a mont away from 38
Thompson - compare their stats this year...nope. Maybe for the future but this is about now
ginobili - yes
beal - nope
jr smith - nope
jamal Crawford - nope
danny green - nope
paul George - SF...nice try
tony allen - nope
joe Johnson - maybe, but Matthews had arguably better numbers then Johnson and makes 6.5 million compared to Johnson at 23 million
demar derozan - LOL...you're just getting ridiculous...not a chance
vince carter - not a chance
avery Bradley - nope

edit: iman shumpert - nope
Gordon Hayward - maybe, but it's too close right now
tobias harris - SF
jimmy butler - SF
jj redick - nope...you must not of heard of a thing called defense
kevin martin - maybe, although he can't defend a chair
gallinari - SF

that took me about 30 seconds and im probably forgetting a lot more.

it doesn't take much time to be wrong a lot more then be right.

... wes Matthews is a good player, I like the guy. but he is nothing special. take off your homer glasses for 10 seconds. it would be the smart move to start a young player with potential then a guy who is likely a career role player. it doesn't even matter because kcp is going to the wolves anyway

[/quote]

if by "nothing special" you mean 90% of the players in the NBA, then true

and Minny has a pick one above Portland so more power to them

[nickforthreee]

^So basically you are saying that wes matthews is the 5th best SG in the NBA. LMFAO, HOMERISM AND REALGM HAS REACHED A NEW LOW. Congratulations!

[Wizenheimer]

^So basically you are saying that wes matthews is the 5th best SG in the NBA. LMFAO, HOMERISM AND REALGM HAS REACHED A NEW LOW. Congratulations!

first off...I'm saying you're a troll

2nd thing....you have remedial reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said Matthews was better then a lot of those guards

3rd thing...I asked you to name 10 SG's that were definitely better then Matthews. I think there are a lot of SG's that are comparable in some way or other.

For instance, I'd probably rather have Klay Thompson than Matthews going ahead. But Matthews arguably had a better season then Thompson this year. And it isn't a difficult argument to make, by the way

but feel free to make a case for any of the SG's I said were not definitely better. And by making a case, that means actually presenting an argument rather then the juvenile crap you've been pulling of calling people crazy or homers

[DeBlazerRiddem]

He is totally a troll, I realized that a few pages back and stopped responding to him. He acts like his opinions are gods gift to man and we are all crazy homers for not dropping our own opinions and agreeing with him. He repeatedly ignored my logic and reasoning in favor of ad hominem attacks and it's probably a good thing I am not a moderator because I would have said bye-bye. As it is, his posts are not worth the time it takes to read them, so on the ignore list he is.

[nickforthreee]

^So basically you are saying that wes matthews is the 5th best SG in the NBA. LMFAO, HOMERISM AND REALGM HAS REACHED A NEW LOW. Congratulations!

first off...I'm saying you're a troll

2nd thing....you have remedial reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said Matthews was better then a lot of those guards

3rd thing...I asked you to name 10 SG's that were definitely better then Matthews. I think there are a lot of SG's that are comparable in some way or other.

For instance, I'd probably rather have Klay Thompson than Matthews going ahead. But Matthews arguably had a better season then Thompson this year. And it isn't a difficult argument to make, by the way

but feel free to make a case for any of the SG's I said were not definitely better. And by making a case, that means actually presenting an argument rather then the juvenile crap you've been pulling of calling people crazy or homers

you sir are the only one not presenting an argument. for most of the players that I listed all you wrote was "nope". you wrote "LOL this is getting ridiculous" next to OJ Mayo and demar derozan, 2 players that 30/30 nba gms would rather have than wes Matthews. I am not going to waste my time getting carpal tunnel trying to argue with someone who clearly isn't going to change their opinion. go to the general board make a poll. "who is a better basketball player, oj mayo or wes Matthews. please. humor me.

[Wizenheimer]

^So basically you are saying that wes matthews is the 5th best SG in the NBA. LMFAO, HOMERISM AND REALGM HAS REACHED A NEW LOW. Congratulations!

first off...I'm saying you're a troll

2nd thing....you have remedial reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said Matthews was better then a lot of those guards

3rd thing...I asked you to name 10 SG's that were definitely better then Matthews. I think there are a lot of SG's that are comparable in some way or other.

For instance, I'd probably rather have Klay Thompson than Matthews going ahead. But Matthews arguably had a better season then Thompson this year. And it isn't a difficult argument to make, by the way

but feel free to make a case for any of the SG's I said were not definitely better. And by making a case, that means actually presenting an argument rather then the juvenile crap you've been pulling of calling people crazy or homers

you sir are the only one not presenting an argument. for most of the players that I listed all you wrote was "nope". you wrote "LOL this is getting ridiculous" next to OJ Mayo and demar derozan, 2 players that 30/30 nba gms would rather have than wes Matthews. I am not going to waste my time getting carpal tunnel trying to argue with someone who clearly isn't going to change their opinion. go to the general board make a poll. "who is a better basketball player, oj mayo or wes Matthews. please. humor me.

humor yourself...make your own damn poll

OJ Mayo had his best season this last year, and if you look at a comparison there isn't much to pick and choose between the two

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=matthwe02&y1=2013&p2=mayooj01&y2=2013

scoring is even per36, but Matthews had a lower usage rate; FTA are even; shooting percentages are about even. Mayo had a higher assist number but also a much higher turnover number

Matthews had a better PER, better TS%, better eFG%, better WinShare, and better Winshare/48

Matthews held opposing SG's to a lower eFG% and a lower PER

Synergy data shows that Matthews averaged 1.02 points/possession on offense, good enough to rank 38th in the NBA. Mayo only averaged 0.94 points/possession, which ranked 156th.

but it was a total mismatch defensively. Matthews gave up 0.82 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 88th in the NBA. Meanwhile, Mayo gave up 0.91 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 307th in the league. That's right, 307th

you are right about one thing, 30 out of 30 NBA GM's would choose the same player, but it would be Matthews, not Mayo. That's why Mayo was only able to get a 4 million a year deal last summer after Memphis decided he wasn't worth offering a qualifying offer to. This after Lionel Hollins had judged him not worthy of starting and cutting his minutes by over 30%

[deanwoof]

you sir are the only one not presenting an argument. for most of the players that I listed all you wrote was "nope". you wrote "LOL this is getting ridiculous" next to OJ Mayo and demar derozan, 2 players that 30/30 nba gms would rather have than wes Matthews. I am not going to waste my time getting carpal tunnel trying to argue with someone who clearly isn't going to change their opinion. go to the general board make a poll. "who is a better basketball player, oj mayo or wes Matthews. please. humor me.

seeing how OJ mayo only could secure a 2 year, 1 guaranteed deal, i don't think 30 GMs would rather have him over matthews.

[Butter]

first off...I'm saying you're a troll

2nd thing....you have remedial reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said Matthews was better then a lot of those guards

3rd thing...I asked you to name 10 SG's that were definitely better then Matthews. I think there are a lot of SG's that are comparable in some way or other.

For instance, I'd probably rather have Klay Thompson than Matthews going ahead. But Matthews arguably had a better season then Thompson this year. And it isn't a difficult argument to make, by the way

but feel free to make a case for any of the SG's I said were not definitely better. And by making a case, that means actually presenting an argument rather then the juvenile crap you've been pulling of calling people crazy or homers

you sir are the only one not presenting an argument. for most of the players that I listed all you wrote was "nope". you wrote "LOL this is getting ridiculous" next to OJ Mayo and demar derozan, 2 players that 30/30 nba gms would rather have than wes Matthews. I am not going to waste my time getting carpal tunnel trying to argue with someone who clearly isn't going to change their opinion. go to the general board make a poll. "who is a better basketball player, oj mayo or wes Matthews. please. humor me.

humor yourself...make your own damn poll

OJ Mayo had his best season this last year, and if you look at a comparison there isn't much to pick and choose between the two

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=matthwe02&y1=2013&p2=mayooj01&y2=2013

scoring is even per36, but Matthews had a lower usage rate; FTA are even; shooting percentages are about even. Mayo had a higher assist number but also a much higher turnover number

Matthews had a better PER, better TS%, better eFG%, better WinShare, and better Winshare/48

Matthews held opposing SG's to a lower eFG% and a lower PER

Synergy data shows that Matthews averaged 1.02 points/possession on offense, good enough to rank 38th in the NBA. Mayo only averaged 0.94 points/possession, which ranked 156th.

but it was a total mismatch defensively. Matthews gave up 0.82 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 88th in the NBA. Meanwhile, Mayo gave up 0.91 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 307th in the league. That's right, 307th

you are right about one thing, 30 out of 30 NBA GM's would choose the same player, but it would be Matthews, not Mayo. That's why Mayo was only able to get a 4 million a year deal last summer after Memphis decided he wasn't worth offering a qualifying offer to. This after Lionel Hollins had judged him not worthy of starting and cutting his minutes by over 30%

Id say Wiz wins that discussion.

[nickforthreee]

first off...I'm saying you're a troll

2nd thing....you have remedial reading comprehension skills. Please point out where I said Matthews was better then a lot of those guards

3rd thing...I asked you to name 10 SG's that were definitely better then Matthews. I think there are a lot of SG's that are comparable in some way or other.

For instance, I'd probably rather have Klay Thompson than Matthews going ahead. But Matthews arguably had a better season then Thompson this year. And it isn't a difficult argument to make, by the way

but feel free to make a case for any of the SG's I said were not definitely better. And by making a case, that means actually presenting an argument rather then the juvenile crap you've been pulling of calling people crazy or homers

you sir are the only one not presenting an argument. for most of the players that I listed all you wrote was "nope". you wrote "LOL this is getting ridiculous" next to OJ Mayo and demar derozan, 2 players that 30/30 nba gms would rather have than wes Matthews. I am not going to waste my time getting carpal tunnel trying to argue with someone who clearly isn't going to change their opinion. go to the general board make a poll. "who is a better basketball player, oj mayo or wes Matthews. please. humor me.

humor yourself...make your own damn poll

OJ Mayo had his best season this last year, and if you look at a comparison there isn't much to pick and choose between the two

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=matthwe02&y1=2013&p2=mayooj01&y2=2013

scoring is even per36, but Matthews had a lower usage rate; FTA are even; shooting percentages are about even. Mayo had a higher assist number but also a much higher turnover number

Matthews had a better PER, better TS%, better eFG%, better WinShare, and better Winshare/48

Matthews held opposing SG's to a lower eFG% and a lower PER

Synergy data shows that Matthews averaged 1.02 points/possession on offense, good enough to rank 38th in the NBA. Mayo only averaged 0.94 points/possession, which ranked 156th.

but it was a total mismatch defensively. Matthews gave up 0.82 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 88th in the NBA. Meanwhile, Mayo gave up 0.91 points/possession to opponents. That ranked 307th in the league. That's right, 307th

you are right about one thing, 30 out of 30 NBA GM's would choose the same player, but it would be Matthews, not Mayo. That's why Mayo was only able to get a 4 million a year deal last summer after Memphis decided he wasn't worth offering a qualifying offer to. This after Lionel Hollins had judged him not worthy of starting and cutting his minutes by over 30%

ill give you Matthews being better defensively.

but mayo scored more, assisted more, and rebounded more per 36 and overall, and on higher FG% and 3P%, while getting to the line more often and converting on a higher percentage. Matthews strong suit which you claim is defense, the blocks are even an Matthews averaged .2 more steals. ill give up that defensively from what im getting from mayo offensively.

and of course you could just go by the eye test where you can see wes Matthews isn't much more than a spot up shooter on offense, occasionally scoring off cuts but rarely getting to the rim where as mayo can score in a variety of ways. mayo also only got a 4mil deal because Memphis was a dreadful situation for him. bet you he gets a lot more $ this summer. there was talks of him being an allstar when dirk was injured and he was carrying the team. mayo had no weapons around him at that point and was the first option while Wesley Matthews is probably the 4th option on his team. you put oj mayo in the same role as Matthews and the blazers definitely make the playoffs last season.

[nickforthreee]

and if you want to argue about PER and all of the other stats that mean nothing about basketball skill then I guess you think Anderson varejao is the 3rd best player in the nba huh? and id bet u would trade kobe and Dwight for brook lopez in a heartbeat right? stats don't always tell the whole story. if you want someone to go out and score you want mayo. if you are playing a pickup game youd pick mayo first. if a team needs a sg and could pick either they would pick mayo.

[Wizenheimer]

ill give you Matthews being better defensively.

well, there's half of the game

but mayo scored more,

per36, he scored 0.2 of a point more. But he also had 0.6 more FG attempts and a higher usage rate.

assisted more,

with more turnovers

and on higher FG% and 3P%, while getting to the line more often and converting on a higher percentage.

and yet, every efficiency metric favored Matthews, including TS%, eFG%, WinShares, points/FGA, & points/possession

Matthews strong suit which you claim is defense, the blocks are even an Matthews averaged .2 more steals. ill give up that defensively from what im getting from mayo offensively.

but you're not getting anything more from Mayo on offense except lower efficiency

and of course you could just go by the eye test where you can see wes Matthews isn't much more than a spot up shooter on offense, occasionally scoring off cuts but rarely getting to the rim where as mayo can score in a variety of ways

.

LOL...Mayo averaged 2.39 FGA at the rim with a .587 FG%. Matthews averaged 2.63 FGA at the rim with a .599 FG%

maybe your eye test needs recalibration

mayo also only got a 4mil deal because Memphis was a dreadful situation for him.

he was an unrestricted free agent. Several teams had cap-space, and all the rest had MLE's. He couldn't even get a full MLE

bet you he gets a lot more $ this summer.

maybe, but that doesn't mean much. Luke Walton made 50% more then Mayo this year, doesn't mean he was the better player, now does it?

you put oj mayo in the same role as Matthews and the blazers definitely make the playoffs last season.

you must be auditioning for The Onion

[JD45]

And now the draft thread has been completed de-railed.

[DusterBuster]

In an attempt to re-right this runaway train, it's strange that Oladipo has refused to workout for the Wizards. Could either be that he got a promise in the Top 2 or that he doesn't want to go somewhere with a SG already is definitely the starter like Beal. Probably the latter, but the former is possible.

[JD45]

In an attempt to re-right this runaway train, it's strange that Oladipo has refused to workout for the Wizards. Could either be that he got a promise in the Top 2 or that he doesn't want to go somewhere with a SG already is definitely the starter like Beal. Probably the latter, but the former is possible.

I agree. I think it is Beal. Neither Oladipo or Beal are big enough to easily shift to SF. But still it is odd, considering Oladipo is from that area.

[zzaj]

My best guest is that he knows the situation in DC, which is why he invited them to his own private workouts. It'll be interesting to see if he does more private workouts for top lotto teams where he is a better "fit".