Alternative to Paul/Howard Plan

[jagstang76]

The news that Iggy is opting out of his contract in DEN gives me an idea. In the event we can't work out an arrange with Paul and Howard, I think resigning Teague, Smith, and Korver and then signing Iggy. A couple good draft picks and other FAs to fill out the roster, and we have ourselves a very athletic and dangerous team for the foreseeable future. Any thoughts?

[Jamaaliver]

^While this isn't a bad plan, I can't see that team winning anything. I see them being really good defensively, but struggling to score baskets in the playoffs.

Also, they'd still be undersized in the frontcourt, and would get bullied by teams with big Centers like Hibbert, Lopez, Noah.

I'm not against bringing in Iggy, but Iguadala and Smoove is too much ineptness on offense.

[2Mas]

If the celtics get Jordan from the Clippers.. Any interest in a Smith for Jordan deal?

Save you guys some money, & move Horford to the 4 finally.

Jordan Horford Iggy Teague & idk you 2 guard? lol Just an opinion.

[ATL Boy]

If the celtics get Jordan from the Clippers.. Any interest in a Smith for Jordan deal?

Save you guys some money, & move Horford to the 4 finally.

Jordan Horford Iggy Teague & idk you 2 guard? lol Just an opinion.

I dont really see how overpaying Jordan would save us some money, also no to the deal, Jordan doesnt have any offensive ability other than dunking

[Yungsta404]

NO get the stars or tank. NO more being a 40 win team that is good enough to beat bums but are doormates to the elite teams.

[Geaux_Hawks]

NO get the stars or tank. NO more being a 40 win team that is good enough to beat bums but are doormates to the elite teams.

Indiana doesn't have stars but they giving Miami a run for their money it seems like..

[Yungsta404]

NO get the stars or tank. NO more being a 40 win team that is good enough to beat bums but are doormates to the elite teams.

Indiana doesn't have stars but they giving Miami a run for their money it seems like..

They dont have the typical superstar but they had guys that stepped up and played like stars in that miami series like paul george and roy hibbert.

[Geaux_Hawks]

NO get the stars or tank. NO more being a 40 win team that is good enough to beat bums but are doormates to the elite teams.

Indiana doesn't have stars but they giving Miami a run for their money it seems like..

They dont have the typical superstar but they had guys that stepped up and played like stars in that miami series like paul george and roy hibbert.

Whats your point? They don't have one now and didn't have one last year, but yet they have been able to make Miami work for their wins in both series.

[Yungsta404]

Indiana doesn't have stars but they giving Miami a run for their money it seems like..

They dont have the typical superstar but they had guys that stepped up and played like stars in that miami series like paul george and roy hibbert.

Whats your point? They don't have one now and didn't have one last year, but yet they have been able to make Miami work for their wins in both series.

my point is that the pacers have players who step up in big games and the hawks dont. The core OP is suggesting we bring back is basically the same core that gets blown out in the playoffs every year. Adding a player like iggy wont change that.

[azuresou1]

Paul George is a budding superstar, and Roy Hibbert is an elite defensive anchor who can beat up on undersized teams. The rest of their team is filled with guys who are versatile, know their role, and play hard. When you think of George Hill, Lance Stephenson, and David West, you think of well rounded guys who play both ends.

Contrast that to the Hawks, who haven't had any player even resembling a superstar, and have had a roster full of flawed players who don't have a great sense of the game. Resigning Smith and signing Iggy makes us the definition of a treadmill team. You'd be signing two guys who are limited offensively, and whose games are reliant on athleticism which is rapidly diminishing.

Iggy was secretly awful this past year, by per-minute production I have him graded out as the 198th best player, behind guys like Delfino and Austin Daye.

[Geaux_Hawks]

They dont have the typical superstar but they had guys that stepped up and played like stars in that miami series like paul george and roy hibbert.

Whats your point? They don't have one now and didn't have one last year, but yet they have been able to make Miami work for their wins in both series.

my point is that the pacers have players who step up in big games and the hawks dont. The core OP is suggesting we bring back is basically the same core that gets blown out in the playoffs every year. Adding a player like iggy wont change that.

Well my point is, you don't have to tank for a top 3-5 pick to have a great team. Paul George was a late lotto pick at 10. Hibbert was the 17th pick in '08. David West wasn't a star player, and even had bad knee injury(fortunately he relied more on actual skill anyway), while Hill(drafted by the Spurs) and Stevenson were late first round picks.

Which is why I don't mind taking a few lower level free agents and drafting some high upside guys in hopes of them turning into a really good player for us. The thing is, we can't overspend on whoever we sign or even trade for.

[D21]

Iggy was secretly awful this past year, by per-minute production I have him graded out as the 198th best player, behind guys like Delfino...

In the same time, Iggy, and Delfino, are the best players of their team in Net On/Off Court, and as they are not playing against opponent bench but against the best players, it shows that their team were at their best when they were on court, better than any other players... (and remember how Delfino killed ATL @HOU this season, ending with a +34 in 29min).

They both seem to be good player to have on your team, even if they don't look like a serious alternative in this case.

[Jamaaliver]

Iggy was secretly awful this past year, by per-minute production I have him graded out as the 198th best player, behind guys like Delfino and Austin Daye.

At sme point analytics stops being entirely accurate, and it becomes necessary to actually watch the games. Iggy wasn't asked to do as much in a new offensive system on a very deep Denver team. It's also worth noting that in their 1st round playoff series, he was the one of the few guys to actually show up for DEN...avg 18 ppg 8 rpg & 5 apg on 50% shooting.

Also, production isn't always an accurate indicator of a player's value, or so I've been told many, many times.

[Yungsta404]

Whats your point? They don't have one now and didn't have one last year, but yet they have been able to make Miami work for their wins in both series.

my point is that the pacers have players who step up in big games and the hawks dont. The core OP is suggesting we bring back is basically the same core that gets blown out in the playoffs every year. Adding a player like iggy wont change that.

Well my point is, you don't have to tank for a top 3-5 pick to have a great team. Paul George was a late lotto pick at 10. Hibbert was the 17th pick in '08. David West wasn't a star player, and even had bad knee injury(fortunately he relied more on actual skill anyway), while Hill(drafted by the Spurs) and Stevenson were late first round picks.

Which is why I don't mind taking a few lower level free agents and drafting some high upside guys in hopes of them turning into a really good player for us. The thing is, we can't overspend on whoever we sign or even trade for.

That is true you dont always have to tank to have a good team but what OP is suggesting is terrible. He basically wants to bring back the same team and add a few new role players. Which will be nothing but a 40 win team that doesnt have much room to grow and get any better.

[myrak433]

if we do miss out on Paul/Howard... Iggy/Al Jefferson/Monte Ellis would be a ok plan B. we would be a little better than we were this year but I don't believe that team could beat Miami. I want to beat Miami.....

[azuresou1]

Iggy's a wing who's almost as bad at shooting as Josh Smith is. That is problematic, and TBQH I wouldn't take Iggy on my team at half of his going market rate, much less at the $10M he's probably looking for.

[Jamaaliver]

if we do miss out on Paul/Howard... Iggy/Al Jefferson/Monte Ellis would be a ok plan B. I want to beat Miami.....

I, too, want to beat Miami, but when constructing our next team, it's worth remembering that MIA's window has at best another 2 seasons. We need to be building for the long haul. If our rise takes three more years but we dominate the next decade like San Antonio...then it will be well worth it.

[Jamaaliver]

Iggy's a wing who's almost as bad at shooting as Josh Smith is. That is problematic, and TBQH I wouldn't take Iggy on my team at half of his going market rate, much less at the $10M he's probably looking for.

But both players provide other skills/attributes at an elite level.

There's more to basketball than just jump shooting. Passing, ball handling, rebounding, perimeter defense, transition offense are all things he provides in spades.

Iggy was compared favorably to Scottie Pippen when he entered the league. The issue is that he's never been in an offense that utilized his skills efficiently, and too often he's been asked to be a #1 option.

Iggy could easily do what Kawhi Leonard is doing while avg more points. Just don't ask him to be a jump shooter.

[parson]

^Yeah, but somebody has to be able to shoot. If both of your wings can't shoot, then your Center has to. That limits what you can do and who you can play. It's easier, if you're building a team, to start with a SF and SG who can shoot.

And if everyone on the team can shoot...

My biggest problem with Iguodala is his game in relation to his age. He's an athletic energy guy who is about to start losing his youth.

Of course, at the right price, I could change my mind about a lot of players.

[Jamaaliver]

^Yeah, but somebody has to be able to shoot. If both of your wings can't shoot, then your Center has to. That limits what you can do and who you can play. It's easier, if you're building a team, to start with a SF and SG who can shoot.

VERY true. But shooters like Jenkins and Korver pair well with athletic, defensive slashers like Iggy.