Barring restructure, Packers will release Bishop

emunney · Post #61 » by **emunney** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Often they do, but every injury and player is different.

Ayt · Post #62 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:06 pm

humanrefutation wrote:
chuckleslove wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:
Yeah, but in Collins case, one of the reasons we didn't wait was so Ted could plan for the draft. We released Nick the day before the draft, and Ted went on to draft Heyward (moving Shields to starting CB and Woodson to Safety) and McMillian. That timing made sense. That's not the case here.

Unless there are some cap ramifications (using his money to extend/sign someone else), I don't see what's the advantage to releasing him now rather than in August

We have also in the past released players earlier so that they could sign on with other teams which is sort of a respect type of thing.

I don't know at all what the reasoning behind all of this is but I do trust the team enough that I'm not going to beat them up over it, there is almost certainly a good reason behind their moves.

I definitely get giving the guy a chance to catch on elsewhere, and I think I've clearly shown my support for TT and trust in his judgment. But I guess short of cap-related reasons, I guess I can't foresee reasoning right now that would make sense to cut him in June.

It seems like a given that they don't think he'll be able to play at his previous level. If they thought there was a decent chance that he could, they wouldn't be potentially cutting him to save like 2.5M or whatever it is. Basically, they don't think he's going to be a player worth that amount this year. By offering a pay cut, they are giving him the option to stay with the team and potentially make the team and prove them wrong. Or, he can be released and move on to another team.

Training camp starts in two weeks and he still hasn't been cleared to take part in OTAs. Will he be ready for TC? What are his prospects on the open market if he still can't practice with a team 10 months after his surgery?

Desmond is saying he's completely healthy, but the doctors and the team obviously see things very differently. I can't imagine other teams would be jumping at the chance to pay him all that much given how serious his injury appears to have been. His best bet very well could be to accept a pay cut and stay with the team he knows.

Plus, his injury is somewhat rare. He actually ruptured his hamstring tendon. It is the most severe injury of this type. From what I've read, sometimes pieces of bone are even pulled away when the rupture occurs. I don't know if that happened with Des, but a ruptured hamstring tendon is obviously an extremely serious injury for a professional athlete.

Ayt · Post #63 » by **Ayt** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:09 pm

Reddeye wrote:Do players regain there old form when they return from a torn hamstring?

emunney wrote:Often they do, but every injury and player is different.

From what I've been reading, he ruptured his hamstring tendon which is much more severe than a torn hammy.

th87 · Post #64 » by **th87** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:00 pm

And wasn't it Hawk who jumped into the pile late and hit Bishop?

(You can tell how I feel about AJ Hawk's LB skills.)

Aaron It Out · Post #65 » by **Aaron It Out** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:49 pm

Hasn't Bishop had a very lengthy history of injuries? He's been with the team for a pretty long time now. Hasn't missed time in just about every season due to a hamstring injury?

But let's all jump off the cliff right away.

jimmybones · Post #66 » by **jimmybones** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:16 am

Kerb Hohl wrote:
Godgers wrote:D.J Williams and now Bishop lol. We have Clay Mathews a top 3 LB and will have the worst group of LBs in the NFL.

What the heck is going on? This team is not even a contender this year. Until they get some LBs this teams going to get wrecked on defense.

Last year I ranked our LBs.

Mathews, Bishop, Smith, Perry.

I am fine with not contending for the next year or two and developing allot of players to become a contender for the next 4-5 years until Rodgers retires.

Injurys are going to happen and once a few happen at LB its going to get ugly quick. I do have more trust in TT than most GMs but I Dont trust Capers at all. I think the guys kinda a joke.

Also Neal playing LB is a joke its self and show you just how stupid Capers is. How did that work out for Kampman when he ruined a pro bowl DEs career.

SpursNBucks · Post #67 » by **SpursNBucks** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:59 am

It's simple what happened with Bishop- this isn't really insider stuff I don't think (think it is pretty public, but don't follow all the local stuff back there), I do know two of the Scouts on the Packers. One of them told me over the weekend (I do his FA work we talk stocks)- he told me the problem with Bishop was that M3 was really disappointed that he was unwilling/unable to participate in drills -kind of a final straw- think of " the train just left the station" talk. Ted was ready to move on and there was some talk prior to the Draft, but nothing serious. Something to watch this preseason is the progress of Manning- and the 7th rounder Barrington = (Scout's reco).

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #68 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:15 pm

Appricate the insight Spurs, I hadn't heard those tidbits.

Also, that MJ gif never gets old. :lol:

Post #69 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:50 pm

Ayt wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:I definitely get giving the guy a chance to catch on elsewhere, and I think I've clearly shown my support for TT and trust in his judgment. But I guess short of cap-related reasons, I guess I can't foresee reasoning right now that would make sense to cut him in June.

It seems like a given that they don't think he'll be able to play at his previous level. If they thought there was a decent chance that he could, they wouldn't be potentially cutting him to save like 2.5M or whatever it is. Basically, they don't think he's going to be a player worth that amount this year. By offering a pay cut, they are giving him the option to stay with the team and potentially make the team and prove them wrong. Or, he can be released and move on to another team.

Training camp starts in two weeks and he still hasn't been cleared to take part in OTAs. Will he be ready for TC? What are his prospects on the open market if he still can't practice with a team 10 months after his surgery?

Desmond is saying he's completely healthy, but the doctors and the team obviously see things very differently. I can't imagine other teams would be jumping at the chance to pay him all that much given how serious his injury appears to have been. His best bet very well could be to accept a pay cut and stay with the team he knows.

Plus, his injury is somewhat rare. He actually ruptured his hamstring tendon. It is the most severe injury of this type. From what I've read, sometimes pieces of bone are even pulled away when the rupture occurs. I don't know if that happened with Des, but a ruptured hamstring tendon is obviously an extremely serious injury for a professional athlete.

Alright. Think of it this way. Suppose it was Aaron Rodgers who suffered that injury. Wouldn't you want them to wait the extra 6-8 weeks or so to see if he's going to get back to form?

All of this talk about how his injury is serious and he isn't 100% and they don't think he'll be back to where he was...I'd buy all of that if it was TC and they needed his roster spot. If you don't want to put him on the PUP or on IR and pay him for not playing, fine.

I'd also buy it if he was like 34 and we had good depth at the position; especially if we had a youngster that we were extremely confident in and wanted to give a chance to. Sure, move forward.

But it's June. He's 28. Our depth at the position is a question mark. And he was one of our best defensive players in 2011 and played a big role in our Super Bowl.

I think waiting until TC to see what he's got makes sense to me.

Post #70 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:51 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Also, that MJ gif never gets old.

That MJ gif is great.

eagle13 · Post #71 » by **eagle13** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:32 am

don't expect much from Barrington as LB he was drafted mainly for ST. that's all Lattimore is also. Francois was re-signed for ST but also has developed decent enough to be backup. IF Bishop is gone we need Manning to grow quickly.

Godgers · Post #72 » by **Godgers** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:38 am

Last year we were playing Walden, Hawk, and Brad Jones. This is what happened in a playoff game.

I mean its addition by subtraction losing Walden but that still doesn't fix much. I would of felt better if Jones and Hawk were gone and we had Bishop and DJ Smith.

Kerb Hohl · Post #73 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:25 pm

Why are you even posting on this board or concerned with watching the Packers? It's over. We are 100% guaranteed to face San Francisco in the playoffs. Kaepernick is 100% guaranteed to be healthy and in last year's form. Most importantly, 100% guaranteed to put up an MVP caliber game.

I am reminded of the firetedthompson.com guy before 2010 writing a long article about how we were only going into 2010 with Tramon Williams as #2 CB and a bunch of rookie fodder as the 3rd CBs.

Ayt · Post #74 » by **Ayt** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:34 am

Kerb Hohl wrote:Why are you even posting on this board or concerned with watching the Packers? It's over. We are 100% guaranteed to face San Francisco in the playoffs. Kaepernick is 100% guaranteed to be healthy and in last year's form. Most importantly, 100% guaranteed to put up an MVP caliber game.

I am reminded of the firetedthompson.com guy before 2010 writing a long article about how we were only going into 2010 with Tramon Williams as #2 CB and a bunch of rookie fodder as the 3rd CBs.

Reddeye · Post #75 » by **Reddeye** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:53 am

Godgers wrote:
I mean its addition by subtraction losing Walden but that still doesn't fix much. I would of felt better if Jones and Hawk were gone and we had Bishop and DJ Smith.

So you would rather have two guys coming off serious injuries than two guys that finished the season healthy?

JEIS · Post #76 » by **JEIS** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:40 am

Reddeye wrote:
Godgers wrote:
I mean its addition by subtraction losing Walden but that still doesn't fix much. I would of felt better if Jones and Hawk were gone and we had Bishop and DJ Smith.

So you would rather have two guys coming off serious injuries than two guys that finished the season healthy?

I think from a talent stand point, DJ and Bishop are better options and less expensive than Hawk and Brad Jones.

Reddeye · Post #77 » by **Reddeye** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:46 pm

Bob McGinn on DJ Smith

D.J. Smith: Thrust into every-down duty after Bishop was lost. Played all but 16 snaps in Games 1-5 before he blew out his knee Oct. 14 and finally had surgery Nov. 28. Perhaps the best part of his game was blitzing; led ILBs with one pressure every seven snaps. Not nearly as good in coverage or against the inside run. Smart, instinctive player who will need to break down better in space and make more plays on the move. Grade: D-plus.

Buckrageous · Post #78 » by **Buckrageous** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:12 pm

If they didnt think he could play anymore due to injury wouldnt they just reac an injury settlement or release him? Why try to renegotiate?

emunney · Post #79 » by **emunney** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:35 pm

Buckrageous wrote:If they didnt think he could play anymore due to injury wouldnt they just reac an injury settlement or release him? Why try to renegotiate?

Excellent point. If he can't play, paying him a little less will only be a little less of a waste.

Post #80 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:47 pm

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