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Re: Dwight's gonna become a free agent 

Post#181 » by Mr. E » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:07 pm

Magic Johnson on Dwight Howard to Houston

“I can’t tell you what is best for Dwight Howard. I think he probably will make the best decision possible for him,” Johnson said. “I would say that he probably would enjoy playing for (Rockets coach) Kevin McHale because coach McHale not only was a Hall of Fame player and, I feel, with Tim Duncan, the best power forward that has ever played the game.”

Johnson said the combination of Howard with James Harden – “an emerging superstar and a guy who you can definitely play with,” Johnson said – plus a team that would include Omer Asik, Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons is “right there” as a contender.

“With Dwight Howard, (Houston) would take the next step as being one of the elite teams – I would say one through four or five one of the best four or five teams in the league – and definitely would give themselves a chance to win a championship,” Johnson said.


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Post#182 » by spolgar » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:16 am

Yeah, I agree with Magic, Dwight would probably find more success with the Rockets than with the Lakers.

If they don't retain Dwight, it's going to be losing painfully without Kobe, with a hobbled Nash and the aging duo of Gasol and Artest. It's also pretty possible that the Lakers would be more successful committing to rebuilding now than to try and maintain the status quo for another year.

Wherever Dwight goes is immaterial to me. The Rockets are my team and I love everyone that _plays_ for us right now.
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Post#183 » by Teckon » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:30 am

I was going through Rockets' salary numbers for next season and was puzzled why everyone believe Rockets just need to trade T Robinson without taking back salary to give D. Howard the Max.

I get the salaries info from the link below
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm
The sum of the guaranteed salaries is $38.063 million but that is only taking the actual salaries of J.Lin and O.Asik. Remember both signed the "Poison Pill" contract meaning their cap hit is not their actual salaries. Hence the rightful guaranteed salaries/cap hit should be $44.363 million.

T Robinson's salary is $3.526 million and Salary Cap is reported to be $58.5 million. The cap room that Rockets have is only $17,663 million after trading T Robinson. This is not enough to give D. Howard the Max. And this cap room is assuming Rockets are not retaining C. Parson, G. Smith, P. Beverley!!!

If Rockets kept C. Parson, G. Smith, P. Beverly, the cap room available after trading T. Robinson is only $15.063 million. To sign D.Howard, Rockets have to trade J.Lin or O.Asik away and only taking $3 million salaries back. Rockets is better off just trading j.Lin or O.Asik without getting back salaries and keeping T.Robinson.
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Post#184 » by LarsV8 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:26 pm

All of those external sites are more or less estimates. I think Shamsports is the best and here is their opinion:

Houston don't have as much cap space as you might expect, considering their high profile (and seemingly eternal) campaign for a superstar free agent. Nevertheless, their committed salary could drop down as low as $39,665,022 without making any trades. Francisco Garcia has a team option for $6.4 million that is not going to be exercised, and the Rockets also have a good many unguaranteed contracts, listed hereafter:

Carlos Delfino ($3,000,000, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Aaron Brooks ($2,508,000, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Chandler Parsons ($926,500, only $600,000 guaranteed if waived on or before June 30th)
Greg Smith ($884,293, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)
James Anderson ($916,099, fully unguaranteed if waived on or before October 31st)
Patrick Beverley ($788,872, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)
Tim Ohlbrect ($788,872, fully unguaranteed with no guarantee date)


In theory, if Houston waived all of those players except Parsons (whose salary is actually cheaper when left unwaived than the $600,000 amount would be with a roster charge added), and declined Garcia's team option, that's a cap number of $41,625,742 with four roster charges added. In practice, though, they won't all be waived. Delfino and Brooks surely will, and Ohlbrecht likely will - however, Patrick Beverley and Greg Smith are really very good NBA players tied in to ridiculously cheap contracts. Even when assuming Anderson gets waived - which itself is not a given - the renouncement of Garcia (who, strangely, is their only free agent) and the incumbent cap hold for Earl Boykins ($884,293), that leaves Houston here:


James Harden: $13,668,750 (at the moment; as a designated maximum salary contract, it is to be adjusted when new max salaries are known post-moratorium)
Omer Asik: $8,374,646
Jeremy Lin: $8,374,646
Thomas Robinson: $3,526,440
Royce White: $1,719,480
Terrence Jones: $1,551,840
Donatas Motiejunas: $1,422,720
Chandler Parsons: $926,500
Greg Smith: $884,293
Patrick Beverley: $788,872
Tyler Honeycutt: $100,000 (waived)
Roster charge: $490,180
Roster charge: $490,180

Total = $42,318,547 = $16,181,453 in cap room.


It's not enough for a maximum contract for neither Dwight nor Chris Paul. It is close enough, however, to put them in play. And there's plenty of options here. If you were the Lakers, and Dwight wanted to walk to the Rockets (which may happen), why WOULDN'T you take back Thomas Robinson and Omer Asik in a sign-and-trade? And if you were the Rockets, why WOULDN'T you do that deal when doing so would offer up an extra $12 million to throw at someone else? Or do it the other way around - fill up the cap space with straight free agent signings, then sign and trade for the other guy. There are options here, many options, and the ultimate tinker Daryl Morey will know that. Houston's not got the Detroit-level swathes of cap room the prevailing story would have you believe, but they have enough, and they have the means to make things happen. So they're big players in the market.


The reality is though that Daryl Morey is ahead of the curve in regards to cap management and he has been planning to go after Dwight for 2 years. He would not have put himself in a position to be just short of the max cap space threshold. I believe he said recently they had 20 or so ways to clear the room. The question is clearing the room while putting yourself in the best position going forward (IE getting the most for Trob)

Another point here is Morey is all about flexibility. The roster is cluttered, but there is an order to the chaos.The reason it looks so unclear is that if you are under the cap you lose some tools that above the cap teams get like TPEs, exceptions, etc. So essentially, with all the non-guaranteed deals the Rockets can go into free agency either with max cap space, by clearing everything, or slightly over the cap, preserving all the exceptions, and keeping all the non guaranteed deals. (credit to Bimathug @clutchfans for making that point)
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Post#185 » by rocketsballin » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:47 am

yeah i switched from hoopshype to shampsorts for my salary info. hoops has too many innacurate numbers. plus shamsports is more detailed. u dont get to see the guaranteed money for the expirings and to's on hoopshype
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Post#186 » by inquisitive » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:28 pm

so it appears howard and paul want to team up...i don't want to gut the team...only want howard, but i guess morey is gonna have to find a way to get rid of lin and asik and decline options on a few more others. i'm too lazy to do any calculation, so if anyone wants to do the math where we can offer both of them $15mil.

i do think d12 might still consider playing with us even w/o paul due to harden being here, but this is an interesting development...maybe that earlier report a few days ago about us going after paul and howard was that morey knew something that broussard didn't know at the time.
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Post#187 » by Guy986 » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:38 pm

This is bad news for us. IF the rumors are true and IF Paul and Howard only want to play where they can gang up together then its not happening for us.

We dont even have max cap for one as of now. It'll be nigh impossible for us to generate enough room to sign them both. The hurdles we'll have to go through and the right amount of cooperation we require from other NBA teams make this extremely unlikely.

If they want to team up, they go to Atlanta.
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Post#188 » by inquisitive » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:13 pm

i just did the calculation....we have $37.3mil to give both howard and cp3:

we trade lin, asik, trob, tjones, dmo while picking up options of bev, parsons, and smith. this gives us $39.8mil to offer those two dudes...but we need to subract roster charges, so it comes out to $37.3 mil between howard and cp3...so our team will look like this:

harden, howard, cp3, parsons, bev, smith, and white....rockets would have to get howard and cp3 to make a few mil less obviously which is likely if they want a better bench. so im hoping out of this $37.3 mil, maybe cp3 and howard will only use $34mil which gives rockets $3.3mil to use for other free agent players improving bench....so if howard and cp3 take $17mil each, that would be ok.

the hard part will be making the trades obviously...i doubt it can be done successfully...not impossible but unlikely going to happen...just give me howard and i'm happy.. :lol:
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Post#189 » by Phenomenonsense » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:14 pm

Regarding CP3 and Howard wanting to play together:

I was just talking with a friend of mine the other day and I thought that CP3 and Dwight coming together would be a great way for the PIstons to exploit their cap space. Normally I wouldn't touch Lin or Asik's contracts with a ten foot pole, but I think there might be an option here that, while sure to ruffle some feathers, isn't so outrageous that it is laughable. The one asset that everyone covets on the rockets would have to be coming back with Asik and Lin, in my opinion.

The deal would be consist of 5 or 6 moving parts. It would cripple the Pistons financially and Roster spots as well.

You would trade Lin, Asik, Donatas, and Parsons. That is an estimated cap hit of roughly 19 million in contracts, and only take back Singler as a stop gap at SF, who's deal is worth 1 million. In doing this you clear up 18 more million in cap space, you can still trade Robinson for future assets, perhaps even trade away royce white with him without getting anything back, or even brooks. Assuming a deal for Robinson is done for nothing, if this deal were to go through, the cap space available for Howard and for CP3 to split would be roughly: 34.7. You could split it evenly between Howard and CP3, starting their deals at roughly 17.35 million dollars each. I think you could talk the pistons into taking Royce white as well and clear up another 1.7 million if you really wanted, though it might be a hard sell.
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Post#190 » by cs hauser » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:39 am

Phenomenonsense wrote:Normally I wouldn't touch Lin or Asik's contracts with a ten foot pole


I stopped reading right there.

You can make a case that Jeremy Lin's contract is a liability. But you can't possibly say the same about Omer Asik's contract. He's a solid center averaging 10.1 ppg and 11.7 rpg in only 30.0 mpg. He's 3rd among centers in the NBA for rebounds, and first in rebounds per 48 minutes. He's only 27 years old, and has never missed a single game in his NBA career.

Omer Asik is arguably a Top 12 center in the NBA, and his $8.4M salary is a relative bargain. Omer Asik is a trade asset, not a liability.
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Post#191 » by Phenomenonsense » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:43 am

cs hauser wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:Normally I wouldn't touch Lin or Asik's contracts with a ten foot pole


I stopped reading right there.

You can make a case that Jeremy Lin's contract is a liability. But you can't possibly say the same about Omer Asik's contract. He's a solid center averaging 10.1 ppg and 11.7 rpg in only 30.0 mpg. He's 3rd among centers in the NBA for rebounds, and first in rebounds per 48 minutes. He's only 27 years old, and has never missed a single game in his NBA career.

Omer Asik is arguably a Top 12 center in the NBA, and his $8.4M salary is a relative bargain. Omer Asik is a trade asset, not a liability.


I can when the Pistons have Drummond and Monroe. I understand you like him, but he looks like a good backup making decent starter money.
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Post#192 » by cs hauser » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:20 am

Phenomenonsense wrote:I can when the Pistons have Drummond and Monroe.


And exactly why would the Rockets be forced to unload Omer Asik to the Pistons? If the Rockets want to unload Asik's contract, there are 28 other teams out there to deal with.



Phenomenonsense wrote:I understand you like him, but he looks like a good backup making decent starter money.


Now you're just being ridiculous. Omer Asik is one of only 6 centers who averaged a double-double this season. If Omer Asik is just a "good backup" then there must be 30 starting centers in the NBA who are better than him.

Name them.
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Post#193 » by Phenomenonsense » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:13 pm

cs hauser wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:I can when the Pistons have Drummond and Monroe.


And exactly why would the Rockets be forced to unload Omer Asik to the Pistons? If the Rockets want to unload Asik's contract, there are 28 other teams out there to deal with.



Phenomenonsense wrote:I understand you like him, but he looks like a good backup making decent starter money.


Now you're just being ridiculous. Omer Asik is one of only 6 centers who averaged a double-double this season. If Omer Asik is just a "good backup" then there must be 30 starting centers in the NBA who are better than him.

Name them.


Asik is a relative starter then? Is that preferential wording for you?
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Post#194 » by TMACFORMVP » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:44 pm

Asik was arguably our most important player this past season. We had one of the bottom 5 defenses in the league with him on the court, and an above average one when he was on the court. Have you seen his +/- during the post season? The reason our overall defensive ranking was so average was because our team turned it over at an alarming rate and our transition defense has to be among the worst in the league. This isn't even mentioning the fact we were a top 3 defensive rebounding team in the regular season (a big part of our ability to play in transition)..and that was because Asik is one of the absolute 1st tier rebounders in the league.

If that's a "good backup" or a relative starter, then you severely lack the knowledge of what Asik brings to the Rockets, and what many teams in the NBA could use. A center that's terrific defensively, and amazing on the boards while improving offensively (to the point where he wasn't a liability at times) is of utmost importance in this league. Then consider he's basically an 8.3m contract hit for the next couple seasons and compared to what some of the other big men are making, he's one of the best deals in the entire NBA.

There's no way we'd have to add incentive to rid of him, and there's no way Morey would even trade him for just a salary dump (unless we were somehow assured CP3/Dwight, and even then I'd think we'd look for future incentive). Sure he'd be a backup on the Pistons, but that doesn't mean his value would be as a backup when he's proven himself as a more than legitimate starter in the NBA this past season.
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Post#195 » by jwise44 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:55 am

Wow phenom watch some actual games man

Asik is a top 10 c makin 8.4
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Post#196 » by jwise44 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:58 am

Lets hear a list of better centers... Here ill start

D12
Hibbert
Marc gasol
Noah
Pekovic? I just like the guy

Go ahead name more...
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Post#197 » by Guy986 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:33 am

Brook lopez
Tim duncan

Top 8 sounds about right for asik
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Post#198 » by inquisitive » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:53 am

we just need to hope that the lakers resist the overtures by clips about trading griffin for howard in S/T, but i think they will do it since howard is deadset on playing with cp3 and lakers likely want to get something for howard since he is likely to walk.
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Post#199 » by TMU » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:16 am

Dwight Howard also said that he'd only play with Deron Williams with the Nets. And guess what? Sure the circumstances are different right now, but I would still take his words with a grain of salt.

If they're to team up, Atlanta seems to be the only realistic destination.
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Post#200 » by moofs » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:16 am

Guy986 wrote:Brook lopez
Tim duncan

Top 8 sounds about right for asik


Brook Lopez?
Top 7.
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