Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

[GreenMachine]

It doesn't matter what we think... what matters is that GMs around the league value Bledsoe. And Jordan is better then Raef... and it was Raef's CONTRACT that lead to KG...

Valuing Bledsoe is one thing. Trading arguably the best defensive player in the game for him is another.

What does it matter if he is the best defensive player in the game if WE ARE NOT WINNING ANYTHING as you have admitted?

[Edug27]

Please explain to me how getting an offensively-challenged center and a player who is basically an Avery Bradley clone in return for two Hall-of-Famers (saying "two" because Pierce will likely go afterward, too) is a "great" trade?

You obviously haven't seen Bledsoe play much..

I've seen him play plenty. While he is a better ball-handler than Bradley, he is not a true PG. Also like Bradley, he has had one good year of shooting the basketball from beyond the arc (this season). Before that he was putrid, and let's be real: he only took 78 threes this season. Not exactly a huge sample size. He is also a very feisty perimeter defender like AB.

He's a nice player, but you guys are acting like he is a future HOF.

Agreed. He wont be a top 10 PG in a league with Rondo, Kyrie, Steph, Lillard, Westbrook, Rubio, Rose etc etc ... Bledsoe and Avery have similar skill sets. Both are undersized 2's, who play tough nosed defense. Boston is trying to make Bradley into a shooter, when he's more of a cutter, and driver. Bledsoe is much better at taking it to the rim, and just plays stronger overall. Bradley plays timid and weak at times on offense. Bledsoe is better on offense, but like I said, similar skill sets.

Question is .. in 5 years, who will be the better overall player? Time will tell.

[Fencer reregistered]

To point out the obvious -- no leaks about any Celtics/Clippers negotiations are trustworthy. Even if they are authentic, they're just statements of current negotiating positions.

[Valid]

It doesn't matter what we think... what matters is that GMs around the league value Bledsoe. And Jordan is better then Raef... and it was Raef's CONTRACT that lead to KG...

Valuing Bledsoe is one thing. Trading arguably the best defensive player in the game for him is another.

What does it matter if he is the best defensive player in the game if WE ARE NOT WINNING ANYTHING as you have admitted?

I have stated my point SEVERAL times, but you keep glossing over it.

I don't think Bledsoe and Jordan are going to be anything special. I don't think either will be any better than role players that you can find anywhere around the league.

Taking that into consideration, I'd rather see KG and Pierce finish the final year of their career as Celtics.

[GreenMachine]

You obviously haven't seen Bledsoe play much..

I've seen him play plenty. While he is a better ball-handler than Bradley, he is not a true PG. Also like Bradley, he has had one good year of shooting the basketball from beyond the arc (this season). Before that he was putrid, and let's be real: he only took 78 threes this season. Not exactly a huge sample size. He is also a very feisty perimeter defender like AB.

He's a nice player, but you guys are acting like he is a future HOF.

Agreed. He wont be a top 10 PG in a league with Rondo, Kyrie, Steph, Lillard, Westbrook, Rubio, Rose etc etc ... Bledsoe and Avery have similar skill sets. Both are undersized 2's, who play tough nosed defense. Boston is trying to make Bradley into a shooter, when he's more of a cutter, and driver. Bledsoe is much better at taking it to the rim, and just plays stronger overall. Bradley plays timid and weak at times on offense. Bledsoe is better on offense, but like I said, similar skill sets.

Question is .. in 5 years, who will be the better overall player? Time will tell.

You are missing the point. Think back to 2007. The idea is to amass assets. I don't care if we have 5 guys with the same skills as AB... if other teams value those skills and we can flip those 5 guys when the time is right... GREAT!

[Valid]

You obviously haven't seen Bledsoe play much..

I've seen him play plenty. While he is a better ball-handler than Bradley, he is not a true PG. Also like Bradley, he has had one good year of shooting the basketball from beyond the arc (this season). Before that he was putrid, and let's be real: he only took 78 threes this season. Not exactly a huge sample size. He is also a very feisty perimeter defender like AB.

He's a nice player, but you guys are acting like he is a future HOF.

Agreed. He wont be a top 10 PG in a league with Rondo, Kyrie, Steph, Lillard, Westbrook, Rubio, Rose etc etc ... Bledsoe and Avery have similar skill sets. Both are undersized 2's, who play tough nosed defense. Boston is trying to make Bradley into a shooter, when he's more of a cutter, and driver. Bledsoe is much better at taking it to the rim, and just plays stronger overall. Bradley plays timid and weak at times on offense. Bledsoe is better on offense, but like I said, similar skill sets.

Question is .. in 5 years, who will be the better overall player? Time will tell.

Yup, and Bledsoe isn't even that much better offensively. Funny thing is, Bradley shoots a better percentage from the floor over the course of his career and averages 12.1 points per 36 minute to Bledsoe's 12.3.

The notion of Bledsoe having the potential to be a top 10 PG is nonsense.

[Valid]

I've seen him play plenty. While he is a better ball-handler than Bradley, he is not a true PG. Also like Bradley, he has had one good year of shooting the basketball from beyond the arc (this season). Before that he was putrid, and let's be real: he only took 78 threes this season. Not exactly a huge sample size. He is also a very feisty perimeter defender like AB.

He's a nice player, but you guys are acting like he is a future HOF.

Agreed. He wont be a top 10 PG in a league with Rondo, Kyrie, Steph, Lillard, Westbrook, Rubio, Rose etc etc ... Bledsoe and Avery have similar skill sets. Both are undersized 2's, who play tough nosed defense. Boston is trying to make Bradley into a shooter, when he's more of a cutter, and driver. Bledsoe is much better at taking it to the rim, and just plays stronger overall. Bradley plays timid and weak at times on offense. Bledsoe is better on offense, but like I said, similar skill sets.

Question is .. in 5 years, who will be the better overall player? Time will tell.

You are missing the point. Think back to 2007. The idea is to amass assets. I don't care if we have 5 guys with the same skills as AB... if other teams value those skills and we can flip those 5 guys when the time is right... GREAT!

So the reason why you want Jordan and Bledsoe is because you want to turn around and flip them for other players/picks?

[Edug27]

I've seen him play plenty. While he is a better ball-handler than Bradley, he is not a true PG. Also like Bradley, he has had one good year of shooting the basketball from beyond the arc (this season). Before that he was putrid, and let's be real: he only took 78 threes this season. Not exactly a huge sample size. He is also a very feisty perimeter defender like AB.

He's a nice player, but you guys are acting like he is a future HOF.

Agreed. He wont be a top 10 PG in a league with Rondo, Kyrie, Steph, Lillard, Westbrook, Rubio, Rose etc etc ... Bledsoe and Avery have similar skill sets. Both are undersized 2's, who play tough nosed defense. Boston is trying to make Bradley into a shooter, when he's more of a cutter, and driver. Bledsoe is much better at taking it to the rim, and just plays stronger overall. Bradley plays timid and weak at times on offense. Bledsoe is better on offense, but like I said, similar skill sets.

Question is .. in 5 years, who will be the better overall player? Time will tell.

You are missing the point. Think back to 2007. The idea is to amass assets. I don't care if we have 5 guys with the same skills as AB... if other teams value those skills and we can flip those 5 guys when the time is right... GREAT!

I get you, but Bledsoe is a free agent NEXT summer. So Danny has until All Star break to flip him. What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

EDIT: Restricted free agent, but point stands nonetheless.

[SuperDeluxe]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

[GreenMachine]

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You are missing the point. Think back to 2007. The idea is to amass assets. I don't care if we have 5 guys with the same skills as AB... if other teams value those skills and we can flip those 5 guys when the time is right... GREAT!

So the reason why you want Jordan and Bledsoe is because you want to turn around and flip them for other players/picks?

YES. Not necessarily just the two of them, but in a package. YES. YES. YES. Have you not read this thread? I don't think ANYONE expects either of them to be on our team a year from now... a lot of people don't think they would even make it to training camp.

[UConn celt]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

+1. Until relatively recently, it was very much a question whether Paul would re-sign. Bledsoe was needed as insurance in case he left.

[Waider]

I get you, but Bledsoe is a free agent NEXT summer. So Danny has until All Star break to flip him. What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

EDIT: Restricted free agent, but point stands nonetheless.

If they play their cards right they are about to make that move & get KG/Doc while keeping CP3 happy & re-signing him.

[GreenMachine]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

The two names I have heard are Affalo and Granger. I am sure there are others. Numerous GMs covet Bledsoe. This is well documented.

[GreenMachine]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

The two names I have heard are Affalo and Granger. I am sure there are others. Numerous GMs covet Bledsoe. This is well documented.

The reason they haven't already is they are worried about loosing Paul. Once Paul is resigned they will most definitely flip him, unless they trade him to us first...

[Edug27]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

For 1-2 years of KG and Pierce. You are acting like they are about to land LMA or Paul George.

I understand that you are all for Boston gathering as many assets as possible, but wasn't the latest rumor before this that Clips wanted to move Bledsoe for Afflalo. We are taking about Bledsoe ... not a 17 and 11 big man named Al Jefferson who we had back in 2006. BIG difference.

[Banks2Pierce]

RFA is drastically different. If he plays well enough to earn a big paycheck, that means he probably played pretty damn well for us and we'll want to keep him. The two that wouldn't make the most sense to fit together might be Rondo/Bledsoe. The thing is that this makes us flexible for the best possible offer in the future, whether that's Bradley, Rondo, or Bledsoe.

[Valid]

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You are missing the point. Think back to 2007. The idea is to amass assets. I don't care if we have 5 guys with the same skills as AB... if other teams value those skills and we can flip those 5 guys when the time is right... GREAT!

So the reason why you want Jordan and Bledsoe is because you want to turn around and flip them for other players/picks?

YES. Not necessarily just the two of them, but in a package. YES. YES. YES. Have you not read this thread? I don't think ANYONE expects either of them to be on our team a year from now... a lot of people don't think they would even make it to training camp.

Well, that's fair. I honestly hadn't read the whole thread, so I was just assuming you wanted those two to actually play on the Celtics.

That being said, expecting to pull another 2007-like move (if that's what you're thinking) is just wishful thinking. Al Jefferson (not to mention Gerald Green at the time) had considerably more value than Jordan and Bledsoe do put together.

[tfmiii]

And as for those of you who think this would be a good trade for the Celtics? lol.

You are 100% right. This isn't a good trade. It's a GREAT trade.

Please explain to me how getting an offensively-challenged center and a player who is basically an Avery Bradley clone in return for two Hall-of-Famers (saying "two" because Pierce will likely go afterward, too) is a "great" trade?

approx. 15 years difference in age?

[BRUNiNHO91]

Dang I go away for a couple hours and when I come back there's a 25 page thread on half our roster going to LA? Sheesh. Not sure I'm in love with the trade. I guess it's the best we can do though. Really not a big fan of Jordan. The fact he can't see floor time at the end of games bugs me. Gosh I'm so not ready to suck and tank..

How long before we could trade both players? I'd love to send out some sort or Jordan/Lee/Bledsoe/Melo picks combination to Sacramento for Cousins. Rondo,Bradley, Green, Sullinger, Cousins. Maybe do the Pierce trade for Josh Smith. Would look solid.

[Valid]

What will Bledsoe's expiring contract get you at the trade deadline?? If it was anything special, then the Clips would have made that move already.

They are about to make such move.

For 1-2 years of KG and Pierce. You are acting like they are about to land LMA or Paul George.

I understand that you are all for Boston gathering as many assets as possible, but wasn't the latest rumor before this that Clips wanted to move Bledsoe for Afflalo. We are taking about Bledsoe ... not a 17 and 11 big man named Al Jefferson who we had back in 2006. BIG difference.

Bingo. Basically said exactly what I just said.