Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

[tombattor]

I don't mind this trade if we can get 2 first round picks. We save some money by getting rid of kg and Courtney lee's contracts and get some assets. Even after the trade, I'd say we keep pierce and let him expire next year. His contract having only 1year left isn't as bad as kg or lee's.

[tfmiii]

Terry(no value)

I am starting to wonder about this, not great value mind you, but his numbers were not out of line with his historic averages and he came thru in 4 outta 6 playoff games.

More to the point, Terry has a good friend and former teammate who just became coach of the Nets, wonder if he would want Terry on his roster?

At the least perhaps we could use Terry to leverage another contract off on the Nets for an expiring (Mr Kardashian)

edit: spelling

[Red2]

i've read a bunch on this and one thing that I think the clippers are unervauling is us releasing paul pierce so he can sign with them.everyone in clipper land thinks giving up bledsoe is too much but when you consider that you're getting KG and Doc and Pierce plus all of the intangibles that those guys bring, I think bledsoe and jordan and 2 first is a steal. both danny and sterling are tough negotiators so I'd say this will go on for a while. If you're the clippers you do this deal for at least two reasons: the first is that if you don't do this deal, chris paul leaves and he and howard sign with the hawks. If you're the clippers and you have a chance to win a title I don't see how you let paul leave. the second reason is that you instantly become a better defensive team as well as a team that knows how to win in the playoffs. I think both pierce and kg would be rejuvenated and motivated by playing in LA. Giving up bledsoe burts because paul is injury prone but jordan and two firsts which will be at the end of the first round isn't enough for two hall of famers and arguably the best coach in the league. Maybe if we throw in bradley that sweetens the pot enough to get bledsoe but I think danny is high on bradley and wants to keep him.If sterling continues to low ball the celts then I say F it. Maybe we don't get anything but the clips lose out as well because Paul will walk. they lose their best shot at getting a title while we merely delay the rebuild by several months. I think bringing doc back now would be a major mistake as he would be a lame duck so I hope this deal goes down. I don't want caron butler although I suppose if I had to take him in order to get the deal done I'd consider it. Let's say for a second that we do the deal for jordan and two firsts and then we buy out pierce for $5M or trade him to houston and then they waive him. you have rondo at pg, jordan at center,green at small forward and sullinger at power forward and bradley at shooting guard. bench is melo,lee,terry,randolph and bass. that's a lottery team for sure although with cap room you cab make a run at a paul milsap or jefferson or josh smith.

[humblebum]

The Celtics are rebuilding... That means there is zero pressure to do anything.

The Clippers are a pretender right now and without significant upgrades they will not only continue to get bounced early in the playoffs, they'll also lose Chris Paul.

Ainge holds all the cards in this deal. KG and Doc put the Clips in serious contention, if Pierce follows I'd say they'd be the favorite out west.

[jfs1000d]

The Clippers management are losers. Thy are scared that it wouldn't work out instead of having cp3, Blake, KG and possibly pierce and taken a run at a title.

None of the clips assets is so valuable you don't do this deal.

They just can't pull the trigger because they are the clippers. So wrapped up in value, they don't understand how to go from the brass ring.

[165bows]

Here's why believe its advantage Clippers.

In the meantime, Hollins/Shaw/Scott find work elsewhere. Chris Paul watches from the sidelines as the drama unfolds, and at 12:01 on July 1st is on the phone with 5 GMs at the same time.

I agree with both sides of this, and that it has turned into a big-time staring contest.

However, if the boobs in the Clippers front office think they are going to pull the two best franchises in basketball into helping them construct a Howard Garnett Pierce Crawford Paul team, I don't think that organization has the stones to walk into that staring contest and pull that off.

And I think the Clippers will realize that, and blink.

The other interesting part of this that has been mentioned is the timing. Do they wait until after the Finals to announce it, even if they have agreed on a deal? Seems in the Clips best interest to move it forward, as mentioned, in that they are the ones that need to lock down a coach and then sign Chris Paul. Do they announce this week, or are they capable of sitting on it until next week right before the draft?

[Celts17Pride]

Agree with Humblebum and jfs1000d. Spot on!

[Red2]

clips fans and their owner are being shortsighted- they think eric bledsoe is a big deal. he isn't. he and deandre jordan are not all star players. they're role players and that's it. those guys don't win you a title. danny is taking all of the risk here. kg,pierce and doc are proven winners. bledsoe and jordan and the two number ones ahve never won anythings. but because the clippers have never won anything they don't understand ( and btw that includes chris paul) how much leadership and poise pierce,doc and kg are going to bring to their team. the celts aren't getting anything close to full value but because we're getting ready to rebuild we're willing to give these guys away. the clippers should jump on this but as i said their owner is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and always has been .

[Celtics_Champs]

Needs to get done already so we can speculate on the rest of the offseason. I love rumor season and this one is boring because we know every piece involved

[canman1971]

The Clippers are and always will be a loser franchise, which is why this deal won't go through. I mean Eric freaking Bledsoe is holding this up? If you have a chance to seriously contend, you do whatever it takes and you worry about the other stuff after. That is what Ainge did and it paid off. The Clippers will once again outsmart themselves and return to being the doormat franchise they have always been.

[Afam]

The clips will always be the clips. Hence they name. They really think that the celtics and lakers are going to help them get Dwight Howard. Ha ha ha. Joke of the year.

Don't do the deal ainge.'we are rebuilding so we have nothing too lose while the clippers on the other hand will keep getting bounced in the first round.

[Berkcelt]

Chris Paul is really the crux of it all. From all the reports he would prefer to play with Dwight Howard, but the only ready made situation for that is ATL and that isn't a preferred destination. I'm sure he'd like to stay in LA, but I see no way the Lakers trade them Dwight. I mean if Bledsoe and Griffin get you Dwight why bother with Doc and KG? Sure it'd be nice but given the age of KG it doesn't make sense. You get Dwight and then try to get KG/Doc for picks later.

But since that is highly unlikely, Clips need to find a way to get CP to stay. The Cs package gives them winners but a really short window. The question is what other options do they have? I don't see how a Granger or Afflalo entices CP to stick. I don't really know what options the Clips have but I think Danny just needs to hold the fort and see if they get desperate. If they don't want to budge we move on to Houston and play the same game in their quest to get Dwight AND Paul. If the Cs take Lin, i.e. clear the way for CP and DH, I think we can ask for more than Asik and TRob. It'd probably have to be picks, I don't see them giving up Parsons or anything, maybe we only get one pick but worst case, Asik and TRob to me is better than Jordan and 2 crappy picks, especially because we still have kG and Doc. KG calls it quits we clear cap and we can trade Doc for a pick to NY or wherever the hell he wants to go.

[CollegeToPros]

4. How does Pierce get there? buying him out does the Celtics no good. Paul we love ya, but this is not happening without a 3 way trade that lands him in LAC.
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Most likely is deal to a team needing cap space for a big free agent run.. either the Mavs or Rockets who would then buy him out at a discounted rate

Exactly. It makes no sense to buy him out not even get a draft pick in return. What number pick does Dallas have?

Pierce for Dallas' 1st would be a fine deal.

[CollegeToPros]

The biggest joke in all of this Eric Bledsoe hold up stuff is the idea that the clippers would fine walking away from this deal to send Eric Bledsoe for Aaron Afflalo.

Hmm yea Doc/KG or Aaron Afflalo...tough choice.

what a stupid team

[greenmachine_2849]

clips fans and their owner are being shortsighted- they think eric bledsoe is a big deal. he isn't. .

And yet 90% of this board have their panties in a bunch over the thought that Ainge would make this deal without Bledsoe in it. Can't have it both ways.

And I STRONGLY disagree that Ainge holds all the cards. Maybe if he hadn't leaked it out that they were going to buy Paul Pierce out for five million in order to save money, maybe then I would buy that argument. But he did, and now everybody knows there is virtually 0% chance of the Celtics bringing back the core for another go at it.

Honestly, I think the pressure is very strong on Ainge to get something done. The absolute worst case scenario would be Ainge buying out Pierce for $5 million, refusing to trade Kevin Garnett to a contender and basically forcing him to retire (as he is too old to go through the motions on a lottery team), and having their top five coach doing TNT broadcasts in 2013-2014. Meanwhile, we will have Vinnie Del Negro walking the Boston sidelines, barking instructions to the likes of Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, and Brandon Bass, the three players who, since Ainge so overvalued them last summer, made it so we couldn't afford to let Pierce retire a Celtic.

I won't go so far as to predict that Ainge would be canned at the end of the year if that worst case scenario bore out, but I think it is a pretty safe bet that he wouldn't be a very popular fellow in the Boston area. Especially if the fans suffer through a 20 win season and don't get lucky in the 2014 lottery, as per usual.

[Afam]

clips fans and their owner are being shortsighted- they think eric bledsoe is a big deal. he isn't. .

And yet 90% of this board have their panties in a bunch over the thought that Ainge would make this deal without Bledsoe in it. Can't have it both ways.

And I STRONGLY disagree that Ainge holds all the cards. Maybe if he hadn't leaked it out that they were going to buy Paul Pierce out for five million in order to save money, maybe then I would buy that argument. But he did, and now everybody knows there is virtually 0% chance of the Celtics bringing back the core for another go at it.

Honestly, I think the pressure is very strong on Ainge to get something done. The absolute worst case scenario would be Ainge buying out Pierce for $5 million, refusing to trade Kevin Garnett to a contender and basically forcing him to retire (as he is too old to go through the motions on a lottery team), and having their top five coach doing TNT broadcasts in 2013-2014. Meanwhile, we will have Vinnie Del Negro walking the Boston sidelines, barking instructions to the likes of Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, and Brandon Bass, the three players who, since Ainge so overvalued them last summer, made it so we couldn't afford to let Pierce retire a Celtic.

I won't go so far as to predict that Ainge would be canned at the end of the year if that worst case scenario bore out, but I think it is a pretty safe bet that he wouldn't be a very popular fellow in the Boston area. Especially if the fans suffer through a 20 win season and don't get lucky in the 2014 lottery, as per usual.

That's false. The reason we want Bledsoe in the deal is because Jordan sucks and is making 10 mil a season. Furthermore, we are trading Kg, pierce and doc for jordan who is looking like a bust for picks that amount to 2 second rounders. No thanks. At least with Bledsoe you are getting something in the deal

I wouldn't even do Jordan for Kg straight up.

[coach mang]

It's not just that he wants Bledsoe, it's that he's already switched loyalties- 'don't give up Bledsoe', coming from Doc, within our organization, means 'I know these guys and how they've been talking and I think they'll cave on Bledsoe'

my bruud, if this is so and the deal don't go thru who on this board gwone be da one to go up river and take out doc benedict kurtz? cuz da ningning obviously done gone rogue on us now

pending further investigation mang prepared to put a bounty on his head:

complete collection of Celtic Pride newsletters from the 92-93 season (the issue w Dee and Sherm on the cover is signed by both) access to mang's safe houses and safe passage on your way to cambodia where we'll stash u till the heat cools down

u can never come home agane mane

mangIna hope for ur sake this is bad intelligence

but if it so...

all mang gwone say is whoa

u turn ur back on KKELTIC NATION

it shall require an act of equal or greater DEMON-STRATION

KKELTIC PRIDE SHALL NEVAH DIE

JUST MULTIPLY

AMEN

[robbie84]

clips fans and their owner are being shortsighted- they think eric bledsoe is a big deal. he isn't. .

And yet 90% of this board have their panties in a bunch over the thought that Ainge would make this deal without Bledsoe in it. Can't have it both ways.

And I STRONGLY disagree that Ainge holds all the cards. Maybe if he hadn't leaked it out that they were going to buy Paul Pierce out for five million in order to save money, maybe then I would buy that argument. But he did, and now everybody knows there is virtually 0% chance of the Celtics bringing back the core for another go at it.

Honestly, I think the pressure is very strong on Ainge to get something done. The absolute worst case scenario would be Ainge buying out Pierce for $5 million, refusing to trade Kevin Garnett to a contender and basically forcing him to retire (as he is too old to go through the motions on a lottery team), and having their top five coach doing TNT broadcasts in 2013-2014. Meanwhile, we will have Vinnie Del Negro walking the Boston sidelines, barking instructions to the likes of Courtney Lee, Jason Terry, and Brandon Bass, the three players who, since Ainge so overvalued them last summer, made it so we couldn't afford to let Pierce retire a Celtic.

I won't go so far as to predict that Ainge would be canned at the end of the year if that worst case scenario bore out, but I think it is a pretty safe bet that he wouldn't be a very popular fellow in the Boston area. Especially if the fans suffer through a 20 win season and don't get lucky in the 2014 lottery, as per usual.

He wants Bledsoe in case the Celtic curse hits us in the big lottery next year.
Hopefully we get Wiggins or Parker and can keep Jordan and Bledsoe for getting another Piece. If Bledsoe keeps getting better we could ship Rondo for another nice pick in the 2014 draft.
If we bottom out in the lottery stakes then we'll still have Bradley, rondo, green, sully, Jordan and Bledsoe .... A mighty fine basket of Easter eggs to bring in a franchise player or a few top 15 players. Ainge would most likely keep Rondo and put two stars around him with Green.
This is why Danny will keep his job no matter what. He's tried to help out Doc and KG and Paul but he won't give em up for scraps. He knows what they're worth to the LAC brass with Chris Pauls's signing looming.
I'm just super happy that he's deciding to do the old mini tank because the value of Wiggins or Parker is so incredible. If we were lucky enough to land one (and he'll ensure we are in the running) then we essentially have a one or two year rebuild with guys like Gasol, Love, Klay Thompson, Adridge among others all hitting free agency.
I'm really happy with the asset collecting he's done. He's a master at getting max value out of most situations and he never disappoints. He sets the tone and it means teams don't enter discussions unless they're ready to give up serious swaps.

[greenmachine_2849]

That's false. The reason we want Bledsoe in the deal is because Jordan sucks and is making 10 mil a season. Furthermore, we are trading Kg, pierce and doc for jordan who is looking like a bust for picks that amount to 2 second rounders. No thanks. At least with Bledsoe you are getting something in the deal

I wouldn't even do Jordan for Kg straight up.

Again, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in Celtic fans saying that the inclusion of Bledsoe should not be a deal-breaker from the Clippers' end, but the exclusion of Bledsoe absolutely should be from the Celtics' end.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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Danny has few (maybe NO OTHER) options with Doc and KG.

Silly post.

KG retires, PP gets bought out or amnesty, Doc leaves, Celtics get under the salary cap and rebuilding starts.

Ainge is not forced to do anything with the Clippers.

And the Celtics end up with zero assets for KG or Pierce. Swell.