The 2013 Trade Thread II

[Diop]

I'm just stating a pretty much accepted fact that you can't keep moving lots of pieces around and expect chemistry to improve

You can when a team has won just 28 of their last 120 regular season games. That's not the type of chemistry I'd be concerned about keeping intact.

That's not his point. He's referencing the idea some have that adding certain pieces may take us out of the running for a top pick. He's not concerned about screwing up our chemistry (or lack thereof), just stating that even with added pieces that further turnover will only hurt in the short term/improve lottery odds.

We're still in the acquiring assets stage, don't need to be concerned with team chemistry until we have our team in place.

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That was exactly his point, he's concerned about ruining chemistry by high turnover rate of players.

[ZackB23]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

[James Gatz]

Part of the reason I want us to draft backcourt over frontcourt in this draft despite our needs is to be bad again next season. We had solid guard play last year and terrible bigs. If we add some decent to good front court players are record could easily shoot to 5th to 8th and leave us out of the Wiggin/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

If we added McLemore or Oladipo we'd continue to bad enough for a top 5 pick and when we add a good frontcourt player in 2014 we'd be prime position to shoot up the standings.

[BlackOutBuzz]

You can when a team has won just 28 of their last 120 regular season games. That's not the type of chemistry I'd be concerned about keeping intact.

That's not his point. He's referencing the idea some have that adding certain pieces may take us out of the running for a top pick. He's not concerned about screwing up our chemistry (or lack thereof), just stating that even with added pieces that further turnover will only hurt in the short term/improve lottery odds.

We're still in the acquiring assets stage, don't need to be concerned with team chemistry until we have our team in place.

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That was exactly his point, he's concerned about ruining chemistry by high turnover rate of players.

Maybe I misunderstood, but in the context of the conversation that was going on that's how I understood it. He said that all the turnover would be long-term based (see below), IMO he didn't sound (read?) like he was concerned about damaging chemistry, he was just stating that it would take a hit.

If we do all this trading and drafting like folks are speculating, then the FO is decidedly not trying to get better in the short term.

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[Eoghan]

I wasn't really saying I was for or against, just putting it out there that moving lots of players around every year has consequences. Throwing teams together like AAU teams rarely works, even LeBron and his superfriends fell to the Mavs their first year. It seems to me that if we move a lot of players around this season than that's a sign that the FO is not trying to "win now" like they alluded in that letter to the STH's. In other words, adding T Rob, and Asik and free agent X and draft pick Y while cutting loose of Hendo, and/or McBob and/or Mullens and/or Sessions etc is practically a brand new team that will take time to learn how to play together.

So it boils down to these general options (but not necessarily limited to):
A) Multi-player trades and rookie acquisition like discussed above and commonly proposed by Master Ichiro that will either: 1) Delay rebuild a year if players don't mesh immediately or 2) Short change rebuild by improving roster too quickly b/c players meshed too well immediately (costing us Wiggins/Parker/Randle, etc)

B) Stay the course, take our guy at #4 and resign most of core FAs, improve chemistry and see what 2014's draft brings.

There are pros and cons to both obviously and also innumerable things can happen from here to now that can change these. Option A seems like it would have higher potential of opening a Pandora's box b/c there's no way of knowing if the new guys would be guys we'd want long-term whereas by staying the course the FO would have one more year to evaluate what parts of the roster are broken and need fixing, without putting into possible jeopardy our draft pick.

[basden]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

Why do you want Jordan? Cause he throws down some dunks on sportscenter

He is overrated. Makes 11 million per season and shoots 30% from the free throw line.

No thanks

[James Gatz]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

Why do you want Jordan? Cause he throws down some dunks on sportscenter

He is overrated. Makes 11 million per season and shoots 30% from the free throw line.

No thanks

Don't forget his 15% trade kicker.

[Eoghan]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

Why do you want Jordan? Cause he throws down some dunks on sportscenter

He is overrated. Makes 11 million per season and shoots 30% from the free throw line.

No thanks

You just earned your first "And 1" my good man.

[HornetJail]

I bet if Deandre Jordan were to step into Biz's role, he'd be more exciting, but he'd probably be worse than him. Deandre Jordan will be nothing once he's no longer playing beside Paul and Griffin.

[Liver_Pooty]

I bet if Deandre Jordan were to step into Biz's role, he'd be more exciting, but he'd probably be worse than him. Deandre Jordan will be nothing once he's no longer playing beside Paul and Griffin.

Jordan is probably slightly better than Biyombo right now, but his FT shooting is abysmal. He absolutely cannot play 4th quarters.

Regardless, his contract is horrible.

[Liver_Pooty]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

Why do you want Jordan? Cause he throws down some dunks on sportscenter

He is overrated. Makes 11 million per season and shoots 30% from the free throw line.

No thanks

1 post and 1 and 1. You sir are a stud.

[ZackB23]

Now sold on not wanting DeAndre Jordan.

[righterwriter]

I think the #1 priority is getting a legit PG. These guys are tough to get unless you draft one, and this draft doesn't look great for PGs, so I think you should go all in on a bit of a risky PG with high potential. Brandon Jennings.

He can be a bit shoot first, but I think a lot of that has to do with his desire for a contract. Not words you want to hear, but as he is quite young he can be coached into a pass-first PG and would perhaps be more willing now that he has his first big contract.

Sign Jennings (4/$52), keep G.Henderson (unless he gets offered above the MLE), draft Alex Len.

Jennings/Sessions
Henderson/Kemba/B.Gordon
MKG/T.Thomas
Biyombo/Mullens
Len/Haywood

I'd give this team a spin and if it starts to work, then ride with it. If it looks like Biyombo isn't going to cut it then I'd look at trading Gordon and Biyombo for a guy like Boozer.

I might also kick the tires on Bargnani for B.Gordon, as well. He's got an extra year on his deal, but he's talented and worth a risk for a developing team.

[Diop]

What a terribly awful idea.

I would easily prefer Kemba over Jennings.
I can at least understand the concern of some posters that Kemba might be more a scorer than a true point guard, but Jennings is even worse. Sign him for 13 mill a year?

just awful.

[vorbis]

jesus. what a **** sandwich that plan is. bargs, kemba to backup SG (?????) and jennings for $13M/yr., gordon and biyombo for boozer o_O ... i'm actually a bit dumbfounded by the logic behind this. seriously, is that a troll?

[SWedd523]

Thanks for the laugh

[basden]

I want DeAndre Jordan. Way better than anyone we have in the frontcourt.

Why do you want Jordan? Cause he throws down some dunks on sportscenter

He is overrated. Makes 11 million per season and shoots 30% from the free throw line.

No thanks

1 post and 1 and 1. You sir are a stud.

Haha cheers

[chrbal]

I think the #1 priority is getting a legit PG. These guys are tough to get unless you draft one, and this draft doesn't look great for PGs, so I think you should go all in on a bit of a risky PG with high potential. Brandon Jennings.

He can be a bit shoot first, but I think a lot of that has to do with his desire for a contract. Not words you want to hear, but as he is quite young he can be coached into a pass-first PG and would perhaps be more willing now that he has his first big contract.

Sign Jennings (4/$52), keep G.Henderson (unless he gets offered above the MLE), draft Alex Len.

Jennings/Sessions
Henderson/Kemba/B.Gordon
MKG/T.Thomas
Biyombo/Mullens
Len/Haywood

I'd give this team a spin and if it starts to work, then ride with it. If it looks like Biyombo isn't going to cut it then I'd look at trading Gordon and Biyombo for a guy like Boozer.

I might also kick the tires on Bargnani for B.Gordon, as well. He's got an extra year on his deal, but he's talented and worth a risk for a developing team.

the one position we have a good setup and thats where you want to spend the money.

Then you propose two trades for two players who could amnestied. Good lord.

Then you keep Tyrus Thomas, but not Josh McRoberts.

This team should keep Henderson and McRoberts. Amnesty Tyrus Thomas unless some team gets desperate for a big and willings to take crap trade. Hi Wizards. Offer Mullens a really small deal to keep him as "depth". He is still only 24 and really tall.

Offer Ben Gordon for just about anyone. Hopefully a decent big. Trade for Thomas Robinson unless it costs too much.

Not sure on the draft.

[HornetJail]

I think the #1 priority is getting a legit PG. These guys are tough to get unless you draft one, and this draft doesn't look great for PGs, so I think you should go all in on a bit of a risky PG with high potential. Brandon Jennings.
Like Kemba isn't already a better legit point guard. Jennings is about as far from a legit PG as you can get. He can pass, but he chooses not to.

He can be a bit shoot first, but I think a lot of that has to do with his desire for a contract. Not words you want to hear, but as he is quite young he can be coached into a pass-first PG and would perhaps be more willing now that he has his first big contract.

You're saying Jennings can be coached into a pass first point guard? I think Shaq would be more likely to be a pass-first point guard than Jennings.

Sign Jennings (4/$52), keep G.Henderson (unless he gets offered above the MLE), draft Alex Len.

So you want us to pay $13M per season to sign a guy that will chuck us out of games for the next four years?

Jennings/Sessions
Henderson/Kemba/B.Gordon
MKG/T.Thomas
Biyombo/Mullens
Len/Haywood

Why would our best player be a reserve at an unnatural position?

I'd give this team a spin and if it starts to work, then ride with it. If it looks like Biyombo isn't going to cut it then I'd look at trading Gordon and Biyombo for a guy like Boozer.

No

I might also kick the tires on Bargnani for B.Gordon, as well. He's got an extra year on his deal, but he's talented and worth a risk for a developing team.

If we get Ross with him, sure.

[mrknowitall215]

The dreaded Jeremy Lamb trade has crossed my mind once again after looking at a few mock drafts. It appears that either C.J. McCollum, Shabazz Muhammad, or Kentavious Caldwell-Pope could fall into the Thunder's lap at #12th overall, and if so there is a slight chance that they'd want to keep so many young guards on the roster for grooming. It doesn't have to be discussed any further past this post, but I wonder if Cho would be interested in dealing the Portland pick for Lamb. OKC might even be willing to give Charlotte back their 2nd round pick in the exchange