Boxing Thread 3.0

Blame Rasho · Post #1301 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:31 am

Butch718 wrote:Nice win by Lara. That was a clean punch despite what Virgil Hunter was claiming. The replays showed that it definitely wasn't a thumb punch. That's what happens when you have no defense whatsoever. Angulo is a tough SOB, but not a very good boxer. Lara showed a lot of guts recovering from those two knock downs, and coming back to get the TKO stoppage at that.

Maidana/Lopez was entertaining while it lasted. Like everyone else, I definitely want to see Chico face Matthysse.

Didn't see the Stevenson knockout on HBO. That should put him on Andre Ward's radar.

Angulo face just imploded within a min... It was pretty bad. Lara really isn't a guy many fighters want to face, so I commend Angulo for taking the fight and was actually more successful than I thought he would be.

Maidana really looks small at welterweight but was impressed with his heavy hands. Lopez is just a good guy who you can't help but not root for.

Dawson... well I was never a fan of him and honestly don't care to see him again.

Blame Rasho · Post #1302 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:36 am

Butch718 wrote:How can you negatively comment on his movement? The fight lasted exactly one minute. It wasn't enough time to showcase his overall skills other than showing that he has game changing power. That KO wasn't fluky, it was legit.

And the HBO crew made some good points about Gamboa. He has the talent but he doesn't have the overall package. He looks mediocre against mediocre competition. He just doesn't leave you feeling impressed. On top of that, he has a really suspect chin.

Gamboa will be lucky to have a career as good as the dirty mofo Casamayor. Every time I see Gamboa I have a greater appreciation for Casamayor.

skflives · Post #1303 » by **skflives** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:42 pm

Butch718 wrote:
I just think that another fight or two would have made a difference in his overall preparedness for facing someone like Mayweather. The one thing that I like about Canelo is that he's starting to implement a decent defense to go along with a pretty good offense. You saw some of it during the Trout fight when he was using more head movement to avoid some of those pot shots. He was bobbing and weaving more. It looked like it was something he was working on during his last training camp. Now, just imagine if he had another couple of fights under his belt to actually work on those skills. It certainly would give him an overall better chance to actually beat Mayweather. Like I said, it's not as if he's reached his peak. He''s still growing as a fighter and is only going to turn 23 next month. So yeah, every fight counts when it comes to his development.

I completely disagree. One or two more fights won't improve Canelo measurably in my opinion. The biggest difference that would result from Canelo taking one or two more fights before Mayweather is that Mayweather would likely be a year older/slower. Plus who knows, Canelo is a young dude. Maybe in one or two fights he's no longer able to make 154 without weakening himself let alone at a catchweight between 147 and 154.

GBP has been disrespecting Lara for the longest time. Angulo, his team and GBP can complain all they want.

On this I completely agree. Its just embarrassing for Golden Boy to treat one of its fighters the way its treating Lara. I had read that Schafer was trash talking Lara after the Angulo fight because Schafer felt Lara needed to be more realistic about who he'll get to fight in the future. I assume this means Golden Boy won't let Lara anywhere near Canelo. He should be ashamed.

P.S: If you choose to disagree with me in the future I demand you change your avatar to someone other than Tyrion Lannister. I know you aren't Peter Dinklage but I feel like a tool for disagreeing with Tyrion Lannister. :lol:

Em1 · Post #1304 » by **Em1** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:27 pm

My only gripe with Lara from Saturday night is too much movement. He fought going backwards too much and in the case of the first knockdown, it was the reason he was wide open for it. Every time he stood his ground he rocked Angulo and slowed him down. I know its not his nature but a few more of those and the fight may not have lasted as long as it did.

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Butch718 · Post #1305 » by **Butch718** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:17 am

skflives wrote:P.S: If you choose to disagree with me in the future I demand you change your avatar to someone other than Tyrion Lannister. I know you aren't Peter Dinklage but I feel like a tool for disagreeing with Tyrion Lannister.

Now imagine if my avatar was Tywin instead. :lol:

skflives · Post #1306 » by **skflives** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:18 pm

Butch718 wrote:
skflives wrote:P.S: If you choose to disagree with me in the future I demand you change your avatar to someone other than Tyrion Lannister. I know you aren't Peter Dinklage but I feel like a tool for disagreeing with Tyrion Lannister.

Now imagine if my avatar was Tywin instead.

I'd be defending you even if you were wrong then lol

ItsDaBrush · Post #1307 » by **ItsDaBrush** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Mikey Garcia is a punk, JuanMa wanted the fight at a catchweight of 128 pounds but made him drain down to 126. And then this joker Garcia doesn't even try to lose the weight and comes in at 128 pounds, nice follow up from his last fight where he quit vs Salido

Blame Rasho · Post #1308 » by **Blame Rasho** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:32 pm

Any fighter who doesn't even try to lose the weight, should lose more than 20% of their purse.

I understand being a 1 or so due to scale differences and you can lose a lb rather quickly within an hour, but not even trying to lose 2 lbs... totally unprofessional.

Em1 · Post #1309 » by **Em1** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:36 am

Two good action fights, both ending in big time knockouts on Friday Night Fights.

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GS Warriors 1 · Post #1310 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:57 pm

Garcia looked horrible at the weigh-in yesterday, he should definitely move up to 130 or 135. It was strange that the one asking for a catchweight was more comfortable making 126. Looks like that proposed catchweight would've certainly benefited Garcia.

The missed weight has tempered my excitement for this fight but I still think it will be a good show. Lopez isn't much defensively but he still has very good power in both hands. Garcia has way more skills but he hasn't faced a puncher like Lopez. I think Garcia stops him in 8 in an entertaining fight, Lopez's defense will be his undoing.

Em1 · Post #1311 » by **Em1** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:03 am

Garcia's composure will be an issue for Lopez. He never seems to rush things despite how good he's going.

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Blame Rasho · Post #1312 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:33 am

Well it wasn't even a fair fight... Lopez isn't even a world class fighter after his fights Salido much less the weight issue.

GS Warriors 1 · Post #1313 » by **GS Warriors 1** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:30 am

For as good as Garcia looked, Lopez looked so shot, especially after round 1.

Butch718 · Post #1314 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:19 am

After the first knockdown, all I kept thinking about was Juanma's health. For once RJJ provided some decent analysis. Juanma was leaving himself way too open and was taking too many shots to the head. It's sad to see how far he's fallen.

And it really bugged me when Garcia told Kellerman that he wanted to stay at 126. I don't want to hear that "I was sick last week and had problems with my diet" excuse. If you're struggling to make weight, then you should move up. BTW, he didn't looked weight drained at all last night. Cynical thoughts are running through my head.

Butch718 · Post #1315 » by **Butch718** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:26 am

Did any of you see the Gennady Golovkin special after the fight? Good stuff. Golovkin had the flu when he beat the crap out of Rosado.

Oh and based off Martinez's last fight with Murray, GGG would most likely beat him if those two were to fight next year. GGG is an absolute monster. The guy hits like light heavyweight.

Em1 · Post #1316 » by **Em1** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:51 pm

You can dislike Garcia all you want. But he's really fn good and its gonna take someone who is also really fn good to beat him.

I love his patience. That's something a lot of young fighters lack. He could of gone in the for the kill a handful of times but instead he took his time and did it right.

cowboyronnie · Post #1317 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:02 am

Butch718 wrote:After the first knockdown, all I kept thinking about was Juanma's health. For once RJJ provided some decent analysis. Juanma was leaving himself way too open and was taking too many shots to the head. It's sad to see how far he's fallen.

And it really bugged me when Garcia told Kellerman that he wanted to stay at 126. I don't want to hear that "I was sick last week and had problems with my diet" excuse. If you're struggling to make weight, then you should move up. BTW, he didn't looked weight drained at all last night. Cynical thoughts are running through my head.

Agreed. But he did call him MaJua a half dozen times. I like RJJ's analysis almost always.

Garcia's control in that ring is awesome. The half-step back + counter, esp. And he fights totally unathletically too. Straight up, no switching levels, no ducking down or bobbing....as they mentioned, he didn't land a single body shot. It's all forward/back, left/right.

Butch718 · Post #1318 » by **Butch718** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:32 am

The only thing I dislike about Garcia is that he didn't make weight. The HBO crew made some good points during the night of the fight. Established boxers can afford to not play by the rules and not suffer major consequences, and that bugs the hell out of me because it kills the integrity of the whole process.

But yeah, Garcia is an extremely intelligent and patient fighter. He doesn't fight in that stereotypical Mexican warrior style that fans are accustomed to. He knows how to counter and doesn't get flustered easily when he gets hit.

cowboyronnie · Post #1319 » by **cowboyronnie** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:17 am

Butch718 wrote:The only thing I dislike about Garcia is that he didn't make weight. The HBO crew made some good points during the night of the fight. Established boxers can afford to not play by the rules and not suffer major consequences, and that bugs the hell out of me because it kills the integrity of the whole process.

Broner a few fights back, that was a complete lack of integrity. Heck, the commission shouldn't have even let that go through, it was messed-up. I think Broner was 5-6 pounds over and planning to move weight classes anyway. It was safer to just pay 10% and a luxury to have the extra weight. It was clearly planned-out. But Garcia? No way is he in a position to give up 150K for 2 pounds. And a belt. I think this was genuinely a mistake. There's certainly a difference between what he did and what Broner and PBF have done.

skflives · Post #1320 » by **skflives** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:02 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:Well it wasn't even a fair fight... Lopez isn't even a world class fighter after his fights Salido much less the weight issue.

I knew this fight was a mismatch the second I heard rumors it might be made. Beating 2 no-hopers is not enough to show you are ready for a guy like Garcia after the beatings JuanMa took against Salido. Especially since the guy he's fighting destroyed Salido.