Jennings for Granger

Sarry Landers · Post #1 » by **Sarry Landers** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:19 pm

Bucks fan here, I just heard a rumor that the Bucks may be trying to unload Jennings while they still own his rights for Danny Granger. Thoughts?

Sarry Landers · Post #2 » by **Sarry Landers** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:21 pm

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8305 · Post #3 » by **8305** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:37 pm

Personally, not a fan of Jennings game and I question its fit into what Indiana aspires to do offensively.
Also, bringing him in in a Granger trade probably means a big salary going beyond 2014 that Indiana probably can't afford.

Wizop · Post #4 » by **Wizop** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:49 pm

Jennings for Hansbrough would be more like it for us. we certainly couldn't pay Jennings enough to make his salary match Grangers. we have no room for another max contract even if Jennings deserved one and he doesn't. unless you have cap room or a trade exemption, you'd need to throw in a couple of more players and picks to get our attention.

Post #5 » by **Jake0890** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:50 pm

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO OH GOD PLEASE NO

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Post #6 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:08 pm

Jake says what I feel. 8305 says what I think.

Post #7 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:24 pm

If Vogel could get him to play in control, which I'm in serious doubt that anyone can, he could be a great addition.

Problem is, anything over about 5 mil would be just completely undoable for the Pacers. If Jennings wants to take a 3 year 15 mil contract with the last year unguaranteed, I'm all for it. Anything else can't be done and he will get a much better offer than that.

Post #8 » by **Jake0890** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:38 pm

pacers33granger wrote:If Vogel could get him to play in control, which I'm in serious doubt that anyone can, he could be a great addition.

Problem is, anything over about 5 mil would be just completely undoable for the Pacers. If Jennings wants to take a 3 year 15 mil contract with the last year unguaranteed, I'm all for it. Anything else can't be done and he will get a much better offer than that.

I would guarantee he gets a better offer than that. 3 year 15 mil is what he's worth, but there are some dumb GMs out there. Sac wants to give Monta 13 mil+... there are plenty of GMs that will do the same for Jennings.

Post #9 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:58 am

Oh he will definitely get more than that. I'd be shocked to see him get under 10 mil a year. I also don't see him as the type to sacrifice money for winning, but hey, I would never have said the same thing about JR Smith.

SmashMouthRod · Post #10 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:03 am

I dont like the trade for team chemistry; but he is better than Hill offensively as a point guard. I would consider it if the bucks would take Hansborough and Green in a package for Jennings and Mbah a Moute. Mbah a Moute is a great defender capable of manning up with Lebron; Melo or whoever if George gets into foul trouble. That would leave only the backup 4 as a question mark for next season. The guard rotation would instantly improve. The front line off the bench would be a concern offensively.

Rotation
Jennings/Hill
Hill or Stephenson/George
George/Mbah a Moute/Sam Young
West/Plumlee
Hibbert/Mahinmi

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:08 am

Jennings is certainly not better than Hill in any way when you realize that Jennings is A highly inefficient scorer and hurts his team in an offensive game. He's one of the most selfish players I. The NBA. To get Jennings to play in our team and in a team system would require Jennings to completely relearn how to play in a manner that he simply NEVER has in his life.

chube · Post #12 » by **chube** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:09 am

Tons of rumors flying around at this point, but I'd be very surprised if this happened. Plus, we'd be unloading our franchise cornerstone to another Central division team. Unlikely.

Post #13 » by **Jake0890** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:16 am

Jennings-Stephenson is the boneheaded backcourt combo of the century. No thank you. Ever.

Post #14 » by **Grang33r** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:08 am

I like to watch Jennings on television but wouldn't want him as a player on the Pacers. I just don't believe he adds enough to the team. I like George Hill more as a point guard. He had a rough time against the Heat for sure, but during the regular season he almost never committed turnovers. I believe he had the least turnovers of any starter in the league this past season. If he develops that "Tony Parker" floater that it seems like he's been working on, he'll be much better of a scorer. He's a start player and i don't think he's hit his peak yet.

Besides that, only way to acquire Jennings would be in a sign-and-trade and i think the $$$ would handcuff the Pacers too much going forward.

I still like the Bledsoe idea though.

SmashMouthRod · Post #15 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:12 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Jennings is certainly not better than Hill in any way when you realize that Jennings is A highly inefficient scorer and hurts his team in an offensive game. He's one of the most selfish players I. The NBA. To get Jennings to play in our team and in a team system would require Jennings to completely relearn how to play in a manner that he simply NEVER has in his life.

Jennings and Ellis were expected to score on a team void of much talent, and might I add they made the playoffs. There are point guards all over the league that play in similar roles (ie. Westbrook; Rose; Lillard;) with more talent. Dont think for one minute George Hill is capable of taking a team like Milwaukee to the playoffs; he's always been surrounded by good talent (ie. Spurs and Pacers). Jennings averaged 17 points and nearly 7 assists a game (6.5 to be exact) playing with mostly one-way defensive players (ie. Sanders; Mbah a Moute; and Udoh). He might be an all-star point guard on a good team. The only knock on this guy is his character; which good coaches/environment are expected to and usually fix. Winning cures all.

Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:32 pm

SmashMouthRod wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:Jennings is certainly not better than Hill in any way when you realize that Jennings is A highly inefficient scorer and hurts his team in an offensive game. He's one of the most selfish players I. The NBA. To get Jennings to play in our team and in a team system would require Jennings to completely relearn how to play in a manner that he simply NEVER has in his life.

Jennings and Ellis were expected to score on a team void of much talent, and might I add they made the playoffs. There are point guards all over the league that play in similar roles (ie. Westbrook; Rose; Lillard;) with more talent. Dont think for one minute George Hill is capable of taking a team like Milwaukee to the playoffs; he's always been surrounded by good talent (ie. Spurs and Pacers). Jennings averaged 17 points and nearly 7 assists a game (6.5 to be exact) playing with mostly one-way defensive players (ie. Sanders; Mbah a Moute; and Udoh). He might be an all-star point guard on a good team. The only knock on this guy is his character; which good coaches/environment are expected to and usually fix. Winning cures all.

Jennings won all his life but has NEVER once played a team system. Even when he focused on assists, he only focused on sheer numbers and berated his teammates for screwing up his assist totals.

To ask a coach to "fix him"'would require a coach to undo EVERY single basketball instinct that Jennings has and to completely re-teach him how to play from scratch. If that's the plan, he's not going to payoff for another 2-3 years.

Wizop · Post #17 » by **Wizop** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:26 pm

not just character but smarts. I worry about guys who couldn't get into college. now maybe that doesn't apply to Jennings and he just decided that a year as a pro abroad would do him more good than time in school. that's a reasonable conclusion for a player to make. I can see guys going directly to the D-League (see Rice, Jr) for that reason too. Mitchel scares me though and I have the same concern with Jennings. I don't want another Kenny Williams or for that matter Gerald Green. having a great Rucker Park game just isn't enough.

Post #18 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:03 pm

Wizop wrote:not just character but smarts. I worry about guys who couldn't get into college. now maybe that doesn't apply to Jennings and he just decided that a year as a pro abroad would do him more good than time in school. that's a reasonable conclusion for a player to make. I can see guys going directly to the D-League (see Rice, Jr) for that reason too. Mitchel scares me though and I have the same concern with Jennings. I don't want another Kenny Williams or for that matter Gerald Green. having a great Rucker Park game just isn't enough.

Rice, Jr. Got booted from Georgia Tech after last years draft. That's why he was in the NBADL this year.

Wizop · Post #19 » by **Wizop** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:05 pm

I know. I guess I shouldn't have said he went directly to the D-League as he did it in lieu of transferring and not right out of high school.

all these Juniors are making me feel old. it is just a matter of time until I start to see grandchildren of players I remember watching.

xBulletproof · Post #20 » by **xBulletproof** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:04 am

Brandon Jennings is a mess. He thinks he's worthy of a max contract and he clearly isn't. He can't make shots, but has never met a shot he doesn't like. He is NOT a better offensive player than George Hill. Jennings FG% is almost equal to George Hill's 3 point percentage.

My work is exceedingly slow (not existent) in the winter. For the last 5 years I have bought NBA league pass and watched dozens of NBA games for every team in the league every year. There is no player I dislike more than Brandon Jennings. I've literally watched the guy jack up right at 30 shots like he's on fire and and only make 8 of them, while his team loses by just a couple points. His lack of discretion alone makes him less of an appealing offensive player than Hill, and his defense certainly doesn't help him make up any ground.

I would take him on a team at 5 million and be the scorer off the bench. That way you can feel free to mitigate his shots by yanking him off the court anytime it's needed. Yet, he would never accept that role or salary. He has a severely inflated view of his own worth.