Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

Post #1461 » by **Parliament10** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:23 am

FingerRoll wrote:I WANT BLEDSOE! Dont cave yet Danny!

It's a whole different package without Bledsoe.
Is there any way that Pierce can be included in this, w/o going the $15Mil way?

Post #1462 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:25 am

I know he makes a lot of money but he is 24 years old and has played 5 years in the NBA.

Boston has drafted Melo who is 23 and is considering guys like Olynyk 22, Plumlee 23, Dieng 23, and Withey 23. Beyond their age there is just very little chance they will be as good as Jordan whatever his flaws are.

I don't love the deal but the money is a non issue, it also means that Boston can focus on the best player at 16 instead of drafting size to draft size.

gocelts · Post #1463 » by **gocelts** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:27 am

I got to say NO NO NO to Jordan. First Bass, then Lee and Terry...now this guy. We'll be in cap hell with a bunch of backups. This is bringing me back to the Pitino era....

Celts17Pride · Post #1464 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:34 am

Part of the problem in this forum is some people think KG and Pierce will be back next year. It's not happening. It's over.

Ainge is in the process now of just getting as much as he can for both. KG has a no trade clause. KG will only waive it for the Clippers. Ainge's options are limited. If Jordan and pick(s) is the best he can do then that's what it will be.

How do you think this whole Celtics/Clippers thing started on the first place? Doc Rivers knows it's over. KG and PP are gone.

Crownontherocks · Post #1465 » by **Crownontherocks** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:35 am

FingerRoll wrote:I WANT BLEDSOE! Dont cave yet Danny!

Danny shouldn't have said he would do a trade without bledsoe. That was a mistake

GreenBloodedC · Post #1466 » by **GreenBloodedC** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:35 am

The responses have doubled overnight :lol:

I like Doc, but I cannot help but feel that he's putting the team on hostage. Damn it!

Marley2Hendrix · Post #1467 » by **Marley2Hendrix** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:36 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/346809628291641344[/tweet]

WeLikeOurGuys · Post #1468 » by **WeLikeOurGuys** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:39 am

I'm guessing ainge wants terry and lee in the deal? Clippers only wanna take one of them.

Pogue Mahone · Post #1469 » by **Pogue Mahone** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:40 am

Just to be clear, I kinda like Jordan. I just think he needs to be faired with a post-defending, lane-clogger with an outside shot offensively. I think Sullinger could possibly do that. The only issues I have with that possibility is that I question Jordan's lateral mobility at defending picks. Still would be happy to have him, though.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1470 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:43 am

Marley2Hendrix wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/346809628291641344[/tweet]

Heard Shelbourne on LA sports radio earlier. She said that she thinks LAC will take Terry, and now it's a matter of whether they'll take Lee too.

Post #1471 » by **UGA Hayes** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:45 am

I don't mind Jordan either, although I don't love him. Its more the principle of it. Ainge blinked pretty fast.

Marley2Hendrix · Post #1472 » by **Marley2Hendrix** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:49 am

steiny-mo wrote:Lee has three years left on his contract valued at $14.4 million; Terry is scheduled to earn nearly $11 million over the next two seasons. One source close to the talks said Monday night that "considerable momentum" remains behind the talks because the financial flexibility gained by trading Lee or Terry, along with the acquisitions of Jordan and a first-round pick, likely add up to too much for Boston to pass up for a coach (Rivers) who no longer wants to be there and a player (Garnett) who is likely to retire if he can't carry on alongside Rivers and fellow Celtics star Paul Pierce.

Pierce is not part of this trade, but sources say that the Clippers hatched this ambitious plan to acquire Rivers and Garnett with the intent from the start to land Pierce as well. The Celtics have until June 30 to either buy Pierce out for $5 million or guarantee him $15.3 million for next season, but it's believed that Boston wants to wait until the draft later this month to see if it can make a trade to get something for Pierce instead of just setting him free.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9397095/sources-los-angeles-clippers-boston-celtics-continue-talks-no-deal-yet

jfs1000d · Post #1473 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:51 am

We don't have to trade KG. he can retire if he wants. I am not getting rid of KG for a cap problem.

Dj and 2 first round picks and either Bledsoe or they take a contract.

No idea why clips are hesitant. They draft picks are worthless to the clips, doc keeps cp3 and they don't want Jordan.

The flipside is KG makes over your team. He and doc transform that team to title contenders. O

tfmiii · Post #1474 » by **tfmiii** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:53 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Marley2Hendrix wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/346809628291641344[/tweet]

Heard Shelbourne on LA sports radio earlier. She said that she thinks LAC will take Terry, and now it's a matter of whether they'll take Lee too.

got to like the sound of that, if we can get jordan, butler, pick and dump both Lee and Terry, at this point i will be happy...

of course now that I have typed that, it will not happen :roll:

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1475 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:54 am

If we can get them to take Terry and Lee, I'll live with it. That's a lot of salary to dump. But Bledsoe is so close, was supposedly on the table Saturday morning and then abruptly taken off..

Celticsblog quotes a Clipper site with a couple of good points about Jordan:

1. he shoots a high percentage because he takes dunks and putbacks- but he makes them.
- After Perkins' slow gather, Big Baby's misses, and a good 7-8 years of Antoine Walker missing gimmes- this point should not be understatted.

2. his free throw percentages had gone up three seasons in a row
- the Clippers apparently hired a free throw shooting coach, who helped Blake Griffin and messed up Jordan. Given how much free throw shooting is mental, there's hope- the year before last, he shot .525. Not great, but an upward trend, and a lot less brutal than his percentage this last season.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/17/44 ... ips-nation

Post #1476 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:54 am

chrisab123 wrote:
sully00 wrote:
R9ndo wrote:He is not 6-11 lol.

DeAndre Jordan is huge. He may only be 6'10" in bare feet but he has a 7'6" wingspan and 9'5.5" standing reach (11th largerst in DX data base). So feel free to find one of those bigger centers. Dwight Howard is 6'9" with a 7'4.5" and 9'3.5" I guess you would view him more as a undersized PF.

Size and age aren't the only metrics here. You need to be a good player too. Jordan cannot shoot...period! Unless its a dunk of course

I would rather have a guy who is 6'11" shoot the ball from inside of 10 ft and lead the league in FG% than have a guy who is 6'11" chuck 18 fts and shoot 40%. Jordan FG% is very good from everywhere besides the FT line he just hasn't shot the ball very much. But lack of range on his shot has not stopped Andrew Bynum.

I am not saying he is a great talent or anything I am saying if you give him to Rondo he will produce offensively, rebound and he is solid big man in the middle. Rondo squeezed 10 ppg out of Perk.

PP 4 Three · Post #1477 » by **PP 4 Three** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:00 am

I'm sorry, but Jordan's been in the league for 5 years and is still getting benched in the 4th quarter for being a liability. That does not sound like a guy who has shown any major signs of progress. The fact that he's gonna be in a **** situation in Boston is probably gonna hinder his motivation to get better even more.

jfs1000d · Post #1478 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:00 am

GreenBloodedC wrote:The responses have doubled overnight

I like Doc, but I cannot help but feel that he's putting the team on hostage. Damn it!

What? Doc's given the Celtics a life line. We may get something for retiring Garnett, and he saves the owners 21 million by walking. Celtics may get out from terry and lee contract and have a disposable asset in butler. Think about that for a second.

This is going to save the celtics a lot of
Money in the short term.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1479 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:01 am

I could see us having a couple of scenarios on the burner on draft night- like we get the Clippers' pick this year if someone we like is on board, if not it's postponed- or we have a Pierce to DAL deal set up if someone slips to 13-

And the obvious next domino is Pierce, but when that one falls over, will it knock the Rondo domino down too? Teams are going to start inquiring.. A Pistons blog suggests Rondo for Stuckey (expiring) and the 8th pick.. maybe Brandon Knight our way, too.. Really any of the teams picking 4 through 8 could fit into Rondo scenarios..

Celts17Pride · Post #1480 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:06 am

PP 4 Three wrote:I'm sorry, but Jordan's been in the league for 5 years and is still getting benched in the 4th quarter for being a liability. That does not sound like a guy who has shown any major signs of progress. The fact that he's gonna be in a **** situation in Boston is probably gonna hinder his motivation to get better even more.

Turn the clock ahead one year. The Celtics will get a heck of a lot more offers for D Jordan then they will for KG. Celtics are rebuilding, this is what it's about. Collecting assets.