Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

[tranjSAIC]

god, Clippers is a terrible franchise. They want to build a championship team but do not want to pay up.

lol, talk about bitterness. Getting something for nothing is the way to build a championship team.

Anyways, base on the last article, do you guys think Clips are going to fold and include to draft picks?

[SuperDeluxe]

god, Clippers is a terrible franchise. They want to build a championship team but do not want to pay up.

It's called "being financially responsible"

[Justin33]

It's essentially a wink wink deal. Pierce is going to join Doc and KG...

And if the Celtics trade him to a team that wants to keep him or if a team with capspace claims him of waivers

Don't think they'll do that to Pierce though...

Then you haven't followed Danny ainge too much he could care less Bill Simmons in his latest podcast mentioned a couple teams that would take Pierce for a Trade exception saving 5 million and giving the Celtics a very valuable TE

[15th overall]

The Clippers are negotiating tactics are what I pull in fantasy football... unless my team sucks I dont do a deal that has ANY chance at coming back to bite me in the ass. I demand lopsided deals and that's a ploy thats used strictly against people I feel dont know what theyre doing. Ainge is not that guy... he budged on Bledsoe (mistake) and now they think they can walk all over him. Time to serve up an ultimatum and leave the table, Danny.

[Ben-N1ce]

Jordan and 2 1st is hot garbage. If he doesn't dump salaries on the Clippers I'm going to be angry.

[Egregiousness]

why wouldnt the clippers add a late first rounder? of course they fold
they dont resign paul with the exact same team and brian shaw as head coach? why would chris paul commit to that?

[greenpierce]

I say punt. KG is worth more than what Jordan showed vs Memphis. Force the Clips to choose btwn Shaw and Hollins, and see if Chris Paul sticks around. BC Chris Paul is that franchise. If he leaves, they're garbage again. And frankly, them keeping Paul, would be worth them trading Griffin for KG.

Call their bluff Ainge. I can easily live with keeping KG, retirement or not. Doc can pick up the mic if he's not happy, I don't care. But please don't sell the Clips a championship, for the sake of doing something. At least make them earn it!

[humblebum]

Eh, Ainge doesn't have to make the deal without salary relief and/or the extra pick. The reality is that his responsibility is to do what's best for the franchise and not necessarily what's best for KG and Doc. The Clippers are clearly low balling Boston right now, walk away and let them try to convince CP3 that Hollins and Afflalo are enough to vault them into contender status.

[SuperDeluxe]

Anyways, base on the last article, do you guys think Clips are going to fold and include to draft picks?

Let me fix the question for you: Do you guys think Clips are going to take that little extra step to keep Chris Paul and surround him with top-notch talent with championship pedigree, and maybe evolve from pretender to real contender?

The answer is: based on what we've seen this week (and in the last two decades), it's hard to say.

[tfmiii]

wow, woj article puts a whole new spin on it. still counting pennies when they could take over all of LA

what a crazy franchise the clips are. They leak like a sieve, don't know how to close a deal to win a championship.

I think i might rather have the extra pick, try and dump our midrange salaries elsewhere for nothing but expirings, like Nets humphries and minny ridnour

[PP 4 Three]

Might as well throw Rondo in there Danny... What a freakin cave.

Never though I'd see the day where Danny got **** raped by the Clippers.

[sully00]

And if the Celtics trade him to a team that wants to keep him or if a team with capspace claims him of waivers

Don't think they'll do that to Pierce though...

Then you haven't followed Danny ainge too much he could care less Bill Simmons in his latest podcast mentioned a couple teams that would take Pierce for a Trade exception saving 5 million and giving the Celtics a very valuable TE

Then Bill Simmons is an idiot. The only team with a TPE or Cap Space large enough to acquire Pierce before his contract has to be guaranteed is ORL. Beyond that you would have to include draft pick(s) with Pierce. So if you send a draft pick to get rid of Pierce how many draft picks do you add to the exception to get the player?

[CelticFaninLBC]

I say punt. KG is worth more than what Jordan showed vs Memphis. Force the Clips to choose btwn Shaw and Hollins, and see if Chris Paul sticks around. BC Chris Paul is that franchise. If he leaves, they're garbage again. And frankly, them keeping Paul, would be worth them trading Griffin for KG.

Call their bluff Ainge. I can easily live with keeping KG, retirement or not. Doc can pick up the mic if he's not happy, I don't care. But please don't sell the Clips a championship, for the sake of doing something. At least make them earn it!

Time to walk away and wait for CP3 to give Donald Sterling a call asking him if he's insane.

[The Corey's]

The celtics in effect, have ALREADY lost kg and rivers. Make them come back or walk away from their money. No need to push them away for a pick in a weak draft and a player we already assume is just a trade chip next season.

Speaking of draft picks. Both picks would be in the 20s yes? Cause its like the nfl and the chances of finding a good player let alone a stud is about as iffy as it gets.

Just don't answer the phone tomorrow ainge. Make them move on. Don't walk away or give in.

[CelticFaninLBC]

And if the Celtics trade him to a team that wants to keep him or if a team with capspace claims him of waivers

Don't think they'll do that to Pierce though...

Then you haven't followed Danny ainge too much he could care less Bill Simmons in his latest podcast mentioned a couple teams that would take Pierce for a Trade exception saving 5 million and giving the Celtics a very valuable TE

Ainge is going to catch a lot of hell for what's about to go down. Can't see him being a dick to Pierce considering..

[StojkoVrankovic]

The celtics in effect, have ALREADY lost kg and rivers. Make them come back or walk away from their money. No need to push them away for a pick in a weak draft and a player we already assume is just a trade chip next season.

Speaking of draft picks. Both picks would be in the 20s yes? Cause its like the nfl and the chances of finding a good player let alone a stud is about as iffy as it gets.

Just don't answer the phone tomorrow ainge. Make them move on. Don't walk away or give in.

They would probably be one of the last picks in the 1st round

Maybe Fab Melo has a few cousins we can draft

[Celtics_Champs]

Chris, umm the celtics are going to try it out for one more year.

CP: Wooooowwww what Ainge didn't like Bledsoe, Jordan and 2 firsts? Well shame on them we can work it ou--

Well actually Chris, they didn't like Deandre Jordan and a 2014 top 20 protected pick, but yes we can totally work it out. We feel this team with a re-hired Vinn---

CP: Whoa wait a minute. You only offered Jordan and a late round pick?

Well, yes. But like I was sayi---

CP: That's low balling for Doc and KG. not to mention we woulda had Pierce to eventually.

Well this is why you Chris make assists in the game and we have your brother Cliff to assist us in the offices. He saves Mr. Sterling a bunch of money on insurance.

CP: Yeah, anyway continue what you were saying.

Yes, as I was saying, we look to go forward with the team as is, with a newly refreshed and rehired Vinny Del--

*hangs up*

[WeLikeOurGuys]

What happened to the clippers press conference? I can't see wyc and ainge making that deal.

[15th overall]

Sully of other cap oriented folks, if you could answer/clarify this it would be appreciated.

I think there is a major cap benefit that hasn't been mentioned regarding Bledsoe vs Jordan. Jordan makes a lot more, we get that. But after next year, Bledsoe is a RFA with a small cap hold. Bradley is the same. So between those two and our other young core players, Green, Rondo and Sully, there could potentially be significant cap space. Cap space that could be used for a legitimate talent, then the two guards re-signed to generous deals with Bird rights.

If Jordan is in place instead of Bledsoe, he eats up a bunch of that space. So he can be used in a sign and trade, but then he's gone as any asset, and the team is dependent on who wants to take him or other salaries. Exactly the problem we have now. With Bledsoe, you keep the asset AND can control the signing process because there is actual cap space.

So some of this is obvious, but I think the specific situation next year makes it a bigger distinction than the basics that have been discussed so far.

Bledsoe's cap hold in his RFA year will be about 6.5 mil.

I think the issue with Bledsoe is that he is involved in other trade talks.

Oh sure. They are looking to turn Bledsoe into another big score. That's my problem with the deal. They get Doc, KG, Pierce, and then another major piece after that?

Heck, they could even wait, and deal Bledsoe at the deadline. Say they take Lee and/or Terry back. If those guys work out as the fifth option, they can move Bledsoe and Crawford (who is unguaranteed after this year) to a team and take back a ~10M player with real value, to a team that doesn't want to take any salary back.

That is two huge wins in a row IMO. Don't see why the Celtics are psyched to facilitate that, or why the Clips think they have the right to win the entire off-season.

Watch them outbid us for some stud at the trade deadline because of this.

[sully00]

One back up plan may be to see if KG will go to HOU with CP3 and Harden to play for McHale.

Let me rephrase

Sources are saying that KG is open to joining Chris Paul in HOU to play for old mentor Kevin McHale.