Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

PP 4 Three · Post #1561 » by **PP 4 Three** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:21 am

So we don't even get to dump our Lee/Terry contracts now? You have got to be **** kidding me...

Danny is flat out getting his ass kicked right now. :lol:

At this rate, by tomorrow morning the two picks will be taken out of the deal and we'll be giving up KG, Pierce, Doc, Bradley, Sully, our 2014-2020 first rounders (all unprotected), and half of our championship banners.

The Corey's · Post #1562 » by **The Corey's** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:22 am

Where did that news break? If true that's just the leverage ainge needs to force the clippers into a deal worth taken.

Post #1563 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:23 am

sully00 wrote:One back up plan may be to see if KG will go to HOU with CP3 and Harden to play for McHale.

Let me rephrase

Sources are saying that KG is open to joining Chris Paul in HOU to play for old mentor Kevin McHale.

This opens a world of possibilities...

UConn celt · Post #1564 » by **UConn celt** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:24 am

Sully was kidding. It's not an actual story. And it probably wouldn't open many possibilities. Houston wouldn't give up Asik for KG. Best we would get is TRob/Lin

Justin33 · Post #1565 » by **Justin33** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:26 am

sully00 wrote:One back up plan may be to see if KG will go to HOU with CP3 and Harden to play for McHale.

Let me rephrase

Sources are saying that KG is open to joining Chris Paul in HOU to play for old mentor Kevin McHale.

I'll Tweet that to Incarcerated Bob and see if we can get it started

Post #1566 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:27 am

How is Ainge getting flack for this? He didn't make the deal, and it's a no lose situation. He can always bring back KG and let Doc go to TNT.

Post #1567 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:28 am

UConn celt wrote:Sully was kidding. It's not an actual story. And it probably wouldn't open many possibilities. Houston wouldn't give up Asik for KG. Best we would get is TRob/Lin

I was just checking Houston's salary structure. I have to backpedal, no world of possibilities at all. The main two contracts that Houston can dangle in front of Ainge are backloaded, so they are worth $10MM this coming season but $30MM the next.

Post #1568 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:29 am

UConn celt wrote:Sully was kidding. It's not an actual story. And it probably wouldn't open many possibilities. Houston wouldn't give up Asik for KG. Best we would get is TRob/Lin

If Chris Paul goes to the Rockets and says I will sign on the dotted line if you acquire KG you think they would balk at sending Asik for KG?

Hope we get to find out.

Ben-N1ce · Post #1569 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:30 am

Anything not involving talent or shedding contracts in order to tank and go into a deep 2014 draft is a failure.

15th overall · Post #1570 » by **15th overall** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:31 am

Celtics_Champs wrote:How is Ainge getting flack for this? He didn't make the deal, and it's a no lose situation. He can always bring back KG and let Doc go to TNT.

I think budging on Bledsoe so quickly was a HUGE mistake. The potential deals have gotten progressively worse since then.

Post #1571 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:32 am

Prediction:
Doc calls the heat beating the celtics in 7 round 1 series next April on TNT.

KG and Paul retire.

Justin33 · Post #1572 » by **Justin33** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:32 am

sully00 wrote:
Justin33 wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Don't think they'll do that to Pierce though...

Then you haven't followed Danny ainge too much he could care less Bill Simmons in his latest podcast mentioned a couple teams that would take Pierce for a Trade exception saving 5 million and giving the Celtics a very valuable TE

Then Bill Simmons is an idiot. The only team with a TPE or Cap Space large enough to acquire Pierce before his contract has to be guaranteed is ORL. Beyond that you would have to include draft pick(s) with Pierce. So if you send a draft pick to get rid of Pierce how many draft picks do you add to the exception to get the player?

He mentioned Orlando as one he heard and Cleveland with both teams intention was to keep him so his option dayete would't efect it

Avalanche · Post #1573 » by **Avalanche** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:33 am

Justin33 wrote:
sully00 wrote:One back up plan may be to see if KG will go to HOU with CP3 and Harden to play for McHale.

Let me rephrase

Sources are saying that KG is open to joining Chris Paul in HOU to play for old mentor Kevin McHale.

I'll Tweet that to Incarcerated Bob and see if we can get it started

may as well, it seems to be how the Clippers are operating at the moment.. all the 'other' possibility and 'walk away' talk is coming from Clipper media people and are obvious leaks

Seriously though, Danny should be exploring other options if LA refuse to budge... surely there are other teams out there who could use a guy like KG and a coach like Doc, while you could start speaking with them about other options as well.. Why get hung up on the idea of the LA Clippers if they are giving you next to nothing?

Jordans contract is 2 years, like KG and he would be getting paid MORE than we are paying for Kevin freakin Garnett... the two picks would be in the late 20's and we lose our coach for nothing, what's the incentive?

No salary cap savings, no real assets, no real help rebuilding.. really confuses me why this hasn't been walked away from yet

We make this deal, we are still paying the same amount of money for a worse team... we are going to have to separately try and unload Terry, Lee and Bass... Pierce will likely be on the way out.. we don't bottom out for a high pick or have the chance to improve into a contender

What's the play here?

UConn celt · Post #1574 » by **UConn celt** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:33 am

sully00 wrote:
UConn celt wrote:Sully was kidding. It's not an actual story. And it probably wouldn't open many possibilities. Houston wouldn't give up Asik for KG. Best we would get is TRob/Lin

If Chris Paul goes to the Rockets and says I will sign on the dotted line if you acquire KG you think they would balk at sending Asik for KG?

Hope we get to find out.

He wouldn't though. He might say that about Dwight, which could force Houston take below market value for Asik, but Houston would be very much against trading him for KG. Asik's young, already elite defensively and on a pretty good contract. Highly doubt CP3 would force their hand and make them trade a good player for one year of KG, especially if Paul's gonna be there the next 4+ years

Post #1575 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:33 am

15th overall wrote:
Celtics_Champs wrote:How is Ainge getting flack for this? He didn't make the deal, and it's a no lose situation. He can always bring back KG and let Doc go to TNT.

I think budging on Bledsoe so quickly was a HUGE mistake. The potential deals have gotten progressively worse since then.

I missed it, he wanted more than Bledsoe, or Bledsoe was never in play and Ainge **** up not being able to secure a salary dump?

15th overall · Post #1576 » by **15th overall** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:36 am

Justin33 wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Justin33 wrote:Then you haven't followed Danny ainge too much he could care less Bill Simmons in his latest podcast mentioned a couple teams that would take Pierce for a Trade exception saving 5 million and giving the Celtics a very valuable TE

Then Bill Simmons is an idiot. The only team with a TPE or Cap Space large enough to acquire Pierce before his contract has to be guaranteed is ORL. Beyond that you would have to include draft pick(s) with Pierce. So if you send a draft pick to get rid of Pierce how many draft picks do you add to the exception to get the player?

He mentioned Orlando as one he heard and Cleveland with both teams intention was to keep him so his option dayete would't efect it

I listened to that podcast. He was just throwing crap out there.. those werent rumors.

Post #1577 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:36 am

Trade rondo for josh smith. Waive Paul. Sign cp3. Boom roasted, sterling.

/ green

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

At this rate we will wake up tomorrow to find out we actually traded for Montell Jordan and a 1st round draft pick

Post #1579 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:38 am

15th overall wrote:
Celtics_Champs wrote:How is Ainge getting flack for this? He didn't make the deal, and it's a no lose situation. He can always bring back KG and let Doc go to TNT.

I think budging on Bledsoe so quickly was a HUGE mistake. The potential deals have gotten progressively worse since then.

What did you want Ainge to do? The Clippers turned that offer down.

I think people have to understand the scenario here there seems to be some confusion.

The Clippers called and asked to speak to Doc Rivers and were turned down.

After checking with Doc and KG Ainge called back and said you can have Doc and KG for Bledsoe, Jordan and two first round draft picks and the Clippers said no. They said you can have Jordan and draft pick.

Ainge calls back and says okay I want Jordan and 2 firsts and you have to take back Terry and Lee. The Clippers said no and said you can have Jordan and a draft pick.

This isn't the Clippers offering to trade for KG and/or Doc this is Ainge's play. The Clippers know they are basically trading for two guys who otherwise are going to retire. Ainge needs another option and bringing them back isn't one.

soxfan2003 · Post #1580 » by **soxfan2003** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:40 am

Ben-N1ce wrote:Jordan and 2 1st is hot garbage. If he doesn't dump salaries on the Clippers I'm going to be angry.

If you think about this trade objectively....DJ for KG is probably not too good at all. That is the part of the deal that I don't like BUT maybe KG's feet are a bigger issue/risk then I imagine so even then their is some risk for the Clipper although KG except for 2009 has always been there for the playoffs. Regardless I would still trust KG in the playoffs much more then DJ over the next 2 seasons.

Rivers for 2 picks would be great. Realistically, a fair offer would be 3 lottery protected picks for a long time and a garbage 1 year contract, for Rivers and KG. Maybe make the 3rd pick conditional on the Clippers making the WCFinals once within the next 2 years or getting out of the first round round twice. If the Clippers win the title maybe have the last 2 picks become completely unprotected so if KG retires/Chris Paul gets hurt they all of a sudden become valuable. I'm not sure if you can do these sort of conditional trades like this but it seems fair.

If the Celtics get something resembling that I would be happy and the Clippers could keep DJ, Bledsoe etc....and the Celtics could keep Lee/Terry and just try to trade them later. Lee is the only real priority contract for the Celtics to dump since he has a 3rd year on his deal. Boston shouldn't target the 2014 FA class...perhaps 2015.

The Celtics could then trade Bass for larger dead weight and perhaps snag a pick. Keep doing those sorts of trades and then use the picks as chips to cash in for young players. And strike with Rondo/JG trades if they make sense as well.