Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[ryaningf]

Not sure where you got "KG for Jordan and a 25 pick" this year. I haven't seen that deal once yet.

Wojo's latest:

After pushing for the Clippers to take back long-term contracts, the Celtics relented and have shown willingness to complete the deal for DeAndre Jordan and two first-round draft picks, sources said. The Clippers are willing to give the Celtics Jordan and one draft pick, but were resisting a second future pick, sources said.

Link: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so ... 59443.html

I'm already ready to leave the table with a middle finger salute. That said, if this deal goes down, there better be ZERO protection on whatever pick package we end up receiving. The Clips are one Chris Paul injury away from the lottery and given the shady underhanded character of these negotiations I wouldn't be surprised if the basketball gods gave them the kind of love we've experienced since 2008.

[jfs1000d]

Celtics have to be a playoff team heading into next year. If we get enough assets, we could flip them for a player to get us there.

I don't want to tank -- EVER -- and would much prefer having a young team and up and coming get a 7 seed.

With this trade, and letting Pierce go, this team isnt even close to a playoff team.

We will be absolutely awful without Garnett on the defensive end. We're going to get killed on the boards even worse than we've been these last few years and not to mention that teams will have a field day attacking the rim.

Since Ainge has obviously decided to waive Pierce, our best option is to do a complete rebuild. Stack up on assets and try to bring in a star player or get lucky in the draft. Free agency won't net us anything that'll bring us to a championship.

Think you are overrating the league. Jordan and Sullinger will board better than we have been and I am high on Green. Rondo's an All-Star.

Got to round out the roster with scorers, but a 42-40 team if it plays well is feasible led by Rondo (at all-star level) and Green.

Maybe I expect too much out of Sullinger.

[165bows]

trying to look at it from LAC perspective, given what sully00 has said regarding this being Ainge's gambit:

If they don't pull of this deal then they risk losing CP3, but what if they go to CP3 and say, 'we are getting Big Al for Bledsoe and Butler, is that enough for him to re-sign? hard to say

I had thought of this as a logical option for LAC as well, but not sure about a Jefferson/Griffin front court. Would be great on offense and rebounding, but might not ever reach average defensively. I finally decided that the pairing just wouldn't work, I think you need some sort of defensive presence inside in the playoffs.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Seems to me the main ideas of this trade is to

A)Get a pick or two which will be in the 20s.
B)Salary dump as Ainge seems desperate to get rid of the contracts of Lee and Terry.
C) Tank as Jordan is an awful NBA player.

[sam_I_am]

If Celtics get 2014 pick with no protection and Paul walks..... That would just be vintage Clippers.

[GreenMachine]

Link: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--so ... 59443.html

I hope Danny tells them to go **** themselves

Wow. Ok... IF this is true... I'm getting tired of this. I have been one of the biggest supporters of this trade all along... but... PLEASE!

I was hopping for Jordan/EB/2 Picks for KG/Doc
I was willing to settle for Jordan/Butler/2 Picks for KG/Terry/Lee/Doc
My last offer would be Jordan/Butler/2 Picks for KG/Terry OR Lee/Doc and I guess they can make one of the picks a second rounder... Uggg...

I really figured they would take one at least one of our contracts and give us at least 2 picks... if not... I guess I really am finally willing to walk away from this... this is getting ridiculous...

I know it's all rumors... but we started at Jordan/EB and 2 Picks... it seems the Clips are Negotiating DOWN not UP...

[15th overall]

Even if Doc leaves and does TV.. there will absolutely be a contender with a coaching vacancy willing to part with a comprable pick at SOME point over the next three years. Which means this current deal is basically a straight swap of KG for Jordan. Thats AWFUL.. I dont care if he's 25.. that does not help this team AT ALL.

[sam_I_am]

Seems to me the main ideas of this trade is to

A)Get a pick or two which will be in the 20s.
B)Salary dump as Ainge seems desperate to get rid of the contracts of Lee and Terry.
C) Tank as Jordan is an awful NBA player.

Playing a whole season with Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully and Jordan is the perfect rebuild tank combo. 5 players that could be part of the future but not good enough to make playoffs. Young, but not like Al/West/Allen/Green/Perk group that was 5 years away from contributing.

Got to ditch Terry and Bass though to ensure less than 35 wins.

1 great pick and 1 free agent plus a few solid late round picks to bolster the bench and you have something.

[smith2373]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

[165bows]

Even if Doc leaves and does TV.. there will absolutely be a contender with a coaching vacancy willing to part with a comparable pick at SOME point over the next three years. Which means this current deal is basically a straight swap of KG for Jordan. Thats AWFUL.. I dont care if he's 25.. that does not help this team AT ALL.

That's where I am at. People are saying if this deal doesn't get done, they both leave for nothing. I agree with you, I think opportunities to get a similar return as the Clips offer would come up over the course of the next year+.

[darrendaye]

Haven't chimed in yet on this one. I do hope Ainge holds strong and insists on AT LEAST one salary dump (I'd lean towards Lee, I think there is a chance for a market to develop for Terry at the deadline), and two 1st round draft picks. As Sully mentioned in the other thread, there are whispers that acquiring Doc and KG would seal the deal with CP3 resigning with them. For as good a coach as he may be, who is Lionel Hollins going to draw? If LA balks at two 1st round picks, then force them to take both Terry and Lee, or walk away.

The other thought I have is that if KG is now willing to sign off on a trade, is the door open to trading him to another contender without being tied to Doc should Rivers flee to the broadcasting booth?

[Celts17Pride]

If Ainge gets ANYTHING for Doc he already won. He made a trade chip out of his coach. That's unheard off.

Exactly! This is what some people don't understand.

[pac213up]

Ainge has relented on Bledsoe and the salary dump it seems. He needs to hold firm on the two 1st round picks at a minimum.

Jordan and a #1 is fair compensation for KG, need to get something for Doc.

[Ben-N1ce]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

[LongTimeFan]

Agreed. Let's not get greedy here.

There's a good chance with DA drafting we get an NBA starter at 25 & a role player with the second. (Who cares about the second. We can always buy one.)

And we get a guy who can rebound, meaning Rondo, Bradley & Green's speed becomes a weapon.

[pac213up]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

[165bows]

Why in the world would Danny do this deal now? Why not wait until July, when free agency starts and there is some real pressure on LAC as the various free agents, including Paul, make the rounds with other clubs? Sure, there is a deadline on Pierce's deal, but he's no longer in this Clippers trade.

[Celts17Pride]

D. Jordan and a 1st round pick for 37 year old KG. A 1st round pick for a coach Doc Rivers.

That's more than fair. Ainge gets any more he deserves a raise.

[GreenMachine]

Why in the world would Danny do this deal now? Why not wait until July, when free agency starts and there is some real pressure on LAC as the various free agents, including Paul, make the rounds with other clubs? Sure, there is a deadline on Pierce's deal, but he's no longer in this Clippers trade.

Probably because the Clips will have hired a coach by then? And the draft will have happened by then? And we will have had to make a PP trade by then?

[Stadium5]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.