Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[165bows]

Why in the world would Danny do this deal now? Why not wait until July, when free agency starts and there is some real pressure on LAC as the various free agents, including Paul, make the rounds with other clubs? Sure, there is a deadline on Pierce's deal, but he's no longer in this Clippers trade.

Probably because the Clips will have hired a coach by then? And the draft will have happened by then? And we will have had to make a PP trade by then?

That's true, if they do that they close the door. The draft/PP don't affect it IMO. Rather have the pick(s) next year anyway.

[Justin33]

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

[Stadium5]

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Ainge gets ANYTHING for Doc he already won. He made a trade chip out of his coach. That's unheard off.

Exactly! This is what some people don't understand.

The Knicks got paid $1 million and a draft pick by the Heat in exchange for New York due to the fact that the Heat were tampering with Pat Riley. This isn't completely unprecedented. If we dug up Doc's cell phone bill (providing he has detailed billing) I'm pretty sure Wyc could initiate tampering charges against the Clippers and get a draft pick out of it.

And guys, I can understand wanting to get something for KG and Doc. However, 2 crappy picks and Deandre Jordan's bad contract are just terrible. Jordan isn't an asset. I didn't hear about any other team trying to acquire the guy at the deadline. You don't think the Warriors are relieved that You don't think the Clips are laughing right now, thinking they might be able to unload Jordan's terrible deal AND get a future HOFer and a great coach out of this?

I'm now firmly in the camp that says let Doc go work for TNT, let Kevin retire, and just trade Pierce at the deadline. The last thing I really want to do is have my favorite team help out CP3. Let's not forget that this chump didn't want to play in Boston.

[Justin33]

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

If you do not believe KG was the key to that title than it's not worth discussing basketball with you

[Ben-N1ce]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

Next year's draft has 5-6 players that would all go number 1 this year. I think a calculated tank is absolutely a good idea.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

The main reason why the Celtics won the title was because Ainge traded for KG and Allen. History shows it is tough to build a contender through the draft.

[Stadium5]

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

If you do not believe KG was the key to that title than it's not worth discussing basketball with you

If you think KG would've come here if we just had Ray allen and not Pierce as well then its not worth discussing basketball with you

[pac213up]

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

Rondo and Green may not be but what they are paired with or traded for may become what the Celtics need. Just like Pierce needed someone better than him, those guys would as well. Destroying your roster on the hopes you hit it big and then can build your roster back up enough to compete fails many more times than it succeeds.

[165bows]

If Ainge gets ANYTHING for Doc he already won. He made a trade chip out of his coach. That's unheard off.

Exactly! This is what some people don't understand.

The Knicks got paid $1 million and a draft pick by the Heat in exchange for New York due to the fact that the Heat were tampering with Pat Riley. This isn't completely unprecedented. If we dug up Doc's cell phone bill (providing he has detailed billing) I'm pretty sure Wyc could initiate tampering charges against the Clippers and get a draft pick out of it.

And guys, I can understand wanting to get something for KG and Doc. However, 2 crappy picks and Deandre Jordan's bad contract are just terrible. Jordan isn't an asset. I didn't hear about any other team trying to acquire the guy at the deadline. You don't think the Warriors are relieved that You don't think the Clips are laughing right now, thinking they might be able to unload Jordan's terrible deal AND get a future HOFer and a great coach out of this?

I'm now firmly in the camp that says let Doc go work for TNT, let Kevin retire, and just trade Pierce at the deadline. The last thing I really want to do is have my favorite team help out CP3. Let's not forget that this chump didn't want to play in Boston.

Hello? NSA?

[Stadium5]

You seem to be forgetting how we won the last championship,No luck in the draft there

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

The main reason why the Celtics won the title was because Ainge traded for KG and Allen. History shows it is tough to build a contender through the draft.

And you honestly believe that I'm under the assumption Pierce won it by himself? KG and Ray helped put us over the top? Mind blowing. Thanks for pointing that out.

You guys take drafting Pierce of granted. I mean, at some point, we did have to DRAFT him. He wasn't just entitled to us since his birth. And we got him at what? pick 10? Just more proof that you dont need to have a top 3 pick to hit a home run. But you need to give yourself a chance

[kakopedi1]

It has to be their 2014 pick and they have to take lee as well.

I mean KG will make Griffen grow a pair as he's labeled a softie. Seriously what's wrong with the Clippers?? They're getting Doc AND KG,yes he's old but for a 3rd or 4th option he'll make them a true contender along with Pierce even if its a 2 year run I think they can win a ring with that group!!

One pick(2014) Jordan & Green for Doc, KG & Lee I can live with.

Plus Rondo will be talked into missing most of the season a la Rose and the tank train is full throttle.

[ryaningf]

This. Why do people want another option? Hovering as fringe playoff team with literally zero chance at a title is the the absolute worst.

Watching your team lose 60 games and miss out on a top pick is the absolute worse. Hovering as a fringe playoff team with young building blocks and cap flexibility to make moves does not seem all that bad. The rebuild had already started with Green, Rondo, Bradley, and Sullinger.

No. Fringe playoff team is the worst. Rondo and Green aren't rebuild players lol.

Those building blocks you mention will never build into a championship team unless you get the mega star that you need as well. The only way to get that is by getting lucky in the draft. This isn't the MLB.

Being mired in the lottery year after year is the WORST. And that's the worst part about deliberately tanking--you tend to get stuck in the lottery. Having an untempo, exciting team that's playoff bound is pretty fun and it's easier to parlay those young parts into a superstar than it is to start at the bottom, get lucky in the draft and then spend 5-7 years developing your young superstar into someone who can lead a team to a championship. Remember how we got KG and Ray? Oh yeah, you probably weren't sentient then. Here's the short version--we took a non-lottery pick named Al Jefferson, developed him over 3 years, and used him as the centerpiece to land KG.

Superstars come from all parts of the draft. Kobe was the 13th pick. Parker the 28th. Ginobili was the 57th. The point is, the draft is fickle, and team building isn't about tearing down everything to the foundation and hoping/praying for deliverance from the lottery gods, it's about intelligently stockpiling assets from all available avenues, it's about creating a rational salary structure, it's about having a smart, dedicated scouting staff, great trainers, owners who spend but don't interfere with their basketball guys, and it's about having a good GM and a good coach.

Regardless of what you think you may know, it's pretty obvious to any sensible observer that Ainge is trying to transition this team into a young, uptempo squad capable of making the playoffs, something teams like Houston and Golden State did last season. This is the best way to build value amongst the players you currently have and it's also the best way of putting out an entertaining product that will do well at the ticket gate. You think the young guys on Charlotte have any value? NO, because they're in a toxic environment on a bad team with no coaching or leadership and that makes them look worse than they actually are. On the other hand, the young talent on Houston/GS is probably overrated league wide because of the style they play and the success they had last season and both of those teams are now positioned to translate those assets into the kind of transcendent talent that it takes to wins championships.

[Justin33]

You're right.

I forgot we didn't draft our finals MVP.

My bad

The main reason why the Celtics won the title was because Ainge traded for KG and Allen. History shows it is tough to build a contender through the draft.

And you honestly believe that I'm under the assumption Pierce won it by himself? KG and Ray helped put us over the top? Mind blowing. Thanks for pointing that out.

You guys take drafting Pierce of granted. I mean, at some point, we did have to DRAFT him. He wasn't just entitled to us since his birth. And we got him at what? pick 10? Just more proof that you dont need to have a top 3 pick to hit a home run. But you need to give yourself a chance

Your being obtuse PP was considered damaged goods when KG got here,He changed the entire perception of the franchise hell Doc and Dany were damaged goods,It all started with KG

[Red2]

the only negative to the deal is Jordan's contract and that's for two years so it's not like we need to live with it forever if he turns out to be less than stellar. we can certainly back out and call doc's bluff and see if he's willing to walk away from $21M to go into broadcasting where he will be lucky to make 20% of that over the next 3 years. That also forces KG's bluff if doc decides to leave. Despite what KG says I'd say it's 50-50 that he would retire rather than play one more year with pierce under a new coach. IF you don't do the deal with the clippers and you decide to ride it out for one more year then all you're really doing is delaying rebuilding by one year because this team is not winning a title next year. SO why cut off your nose to spite your face? Why not get something ( anything) for Doc ,KG and Pierce. I'm not all hung up on how much we get back as I am that we move forward and put this whole mess behind us. Anyone who is holding out hope that somehow we are going to be a championship contending team next year is not living in the real world. We may be a playoff team- that's certainly within the realm of possibility- but we would be much better off being a lottery team. let's suck it up for a year or two and get the young talent that we need. I don't understand why that is so hard for people to get? DeAndre Jordan isn't the end of the rebuild, it's the beginning. danny is going to be moving guys like a demon the next two-three years until he gets the right guys. As for Doc, he has made his intentions clear. Why would we want him to be the coach now? It's time to move on.

[Shamrock]

If Ainge gets ANYTHING for Doc he already won. He made a trade chip out of his coach. That's unheard off.

Exactly! This is what some people don't understand.

Exactly, people keep complaining about how DJ is a bad contract. Granted he does get paid a lot but who else are we gonna spend it on? Theres gonna be no franchise changing talent in FA thats gonna wanna come to boston. This trade is huge because a full season of Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sullinger/DJ is gonna drastically raise these guys values while sucking next year. DJ with 30+ minutes on that team is most likely a double double. The clips offer seems weak but we need move now so we can get something for doc and KG considering theres no sense and keeping them around and getting a late lottery pick if we trade them at the trade deadline.

[chrisab123]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

But does the corpse of an NBA player slightly above D League level worth making the deal?

[Frank Lucas]

I'm all for the trade and there is also one thing I think people are forgetting here is that is we do not know what they are going to do with Pierce. I think they try to trade Pierce first before they do a buyout. One team that jumps out to me as a possible trading partner might be Houston. Who could trade us Lin, Asik and Royce White for Pierce and Fab Melo. Just saying!

With Pierce Houston is still a play-off team and if they don't think they can land Dwight Howard they would have cleared out even more money to make a run at Lebron James next off-season if Lebron opts out of his deal. Because Pierce salary comes off the books after next season and they get rid of Lin and Asik contract.

Boston collects more assets.

[KGboss]

I'd rather be awful and stockpile on assets/picks than be a 7th seed treadmill team.

If we're gonna be rebuild, we gotta do it right.

But does the corpse of an NBA player slightly above D League level worth making the deal?

if youre talking about DJ thats a severe understatement of his abilities. he sucks at free throws but hes still an athletic talent.

[Celts17Pride]

On a side note the draft should be fun. Ainge could have 2-4 picks in the draft especially if he trades PP for more picks. Just 9 days away.