Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[j_angel]

I am warming to the idea of taking Jordan. He has the tools to be a good player, just overpaid.

Rondo - Bradley - Green - Sullinger - Jordan would be fun to watch.

But this deal should not get done without two 1st round picks and a salary dump (Lee, Terry or Bass - let LAC decide but Id prefer Terry).

The salary dump is overrated, Boston still has to take back Butler's 8 mil, it sounds good if your dumping both Lee and Terry but why would you want to pay Butler 8 mil for one instead of Terry 10.5 for two. There really is no need to dump Lee he is only 27 years old. So moving the long term money costs you more money in the short term. Somebody will take on Terry by season's end.

If your Ainge you want Jordan and two 1sts. The catch is if you take #25 then you can't get '14 unless you make the deal after the draft. As good as the '14 draft is the chances that the Clippers come off the rails by '15 is way better.

Although I agree regarding the salary dump an expiring is more of an attractive asset for a different team, especially at the deadline. I feel it gives us more flexibility.

That said I would definitely prefer 2 picks + Jordan over 1 pick + Jordan + a salary dump.
There is always a chance that Lee, Terry and Bass regain some value by the deadline.
Lee especially shouldnt be too hard to move.

Id prefer a pick this year and a 2015 pick with limited protection. They will be good next year but I can see them falling off after that.

[Captain_Caveman]

Lets put it this way. I don't dislike DJ so much that I would refuse to take him with multiple picks, or some other asset or benefit in addition to the 25th pick in this year's draft.

But without that? No! Stop trying to talk yourselves into it already. The guy pretty much sucks and is rather overpaid.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

My season ticket account person called me today saying my tickets would be cheaper for this season if I renew now lol... Something is going down

U serious? Well it is going down. Honestly, not having PP/KG/Doc is a big deal, of course tickets will get cheaper.

Yup I have 2nd row balcony tickets that are 56$ a ticket. He told me ticket prices have dropped so we will have to wait and see what is going on...

[FlatearthZorro]

Most of the people around here don't realize that this trade the way it is right now is literally worse than letting KG and Doc leave. U can arrange a small buyout with KG, let Doc walk and trade PP for a late 1st and expirings, we will save a lot more cash by just letting these guys walk.. Jordan is dead weight, he hasn't improved his game since like his 2nd year in the league, he wont help us with anything and that late pick in this draft could easily be a bust, it will more likely be a bust than not...

What value does this trade give us, if we aren't even dumping any salaries?? I want some of you guys to explain this to me... Yes we get younger, but I do not think this helps us now or long term..

Okay so you have bought KG that costs you more money and you get nothing for it. Doc doesn't want to walk he wants his 7 mil year so he stays even though he really doesn't want to be here. Nobody makes an offer for Pierce and it is June 30th. Do you agree to give him the 15 mil?

If Danny could have gotten a first round pick and an expiring contract for PIerce he would have already been dealt.

How about Doc doesn't walk away, KG says he is coming back won't accept a trade and he is going to have ankle surgery and he will be back around Jan 1. Wasted year paying the tax.

This deal gives a starting C that actually compliments Rondo, Green, and Sullinger very well. This team is talking about drafting guys all worse than him at 16. I want two picks out of it but again in the end it has to be done. The key is getting under the luxury tax while having a competitive team so that you can utilize the rules to your advantage. Paying the luxury tax on a dead end team is a disaster. You are still close enough to make a couple of moves to get under the cap next year and even if you don't almost your whole roster is on expiring contracts.

I do not think KG would pull this on the Celtics. Why not just keep the team together for another season and then go into a rebuild with a lots of cash(especially if we buy out KG for small dollars)? Why do u have to take a guy like Jordan, when he's such a one-rick-ponny?

I don't know, maybe I'm not right and I hope I ain't, cause he's probably coming regardless of what I think about him.

[Celts17Pride]

Lets put it this way. I don't dislike DJ so much that I would refuse to take him with multiple picks, or some other asset or benefit in addition to the 25th pick in this year's draft.

But without that? No! Stop trying to talk yourselves into it already. The guy pretty much sucks and is rather overpaid.

Whats your alternative? KG and Pierce are gone, they are not coming back.

[sully00]

I am warming to the idea of taking Jordan. He has the tools to be a good player, just overpaid.

Rondo - Bradley - Green - Sullinger - Jordan would be fun to watch.

But this deal should not get done without two 1st round picks and a salary dump (Lee, Terry or Bass - let LAC decide but Id prefer Terry).

The salary dump is overrated, Boston still has to take back Butler's 8 mil, it sounds good if your dumping both Lee and Terry but why would you want to pay Butler 8 mil for one instead of Terry 10.5 for two. There really is no need to dump Lee he is only 27 years old. So moving the long term money costs you more money in the short term. Somebody will take on Terry by season's end.

If your Ainge you want Jordan and two 1sts. The catch is if you take #25 then you can't get '14 unless you make the deal after the draft. As good as the '14 draft is the chances that the Clippers come off the rails by '15 is way better.

Although I agree regarding the salary dump an expiring is more of an attractive asset for a different team, especially at the deadline. I feel it gives us more flexibility.

That said I would definitely prefer 2 picks + Jordan over 1 pick + Jordan + a salary dump.
There is always a chance that Lee, Terry and Bass regain some value by the deadline.
Lee especially shouldnt be too hard to move.

Id prefer a pick this year and a 2015 pick with limited protection. They will be good next year but I can see them falling off after that.

If I can get them to take Terry and not have to take Butler sign me up but I don't want to take on additional 3 mil in salary for this season so I don't have to pay Terry 5.4 mil next season at that point just waive his ass and pay him 2.5 for the next 4 years.

[humblebum]

How does Jordan complement Green and Rondo? Teams are going to pack the hell out of the paint and in close games teams can just foul Rondo and Jordan with impunity.

Does everyone agree that if the Celtics can only get one pick that they'd prefer a future pick? One pick in this craptastic draft is plenty.

Seems like Ainge is possibly going to have to cave on this deal and just accept Jordan and a pick. I don't think Jordan will improve his game or value in Boston. You can't post him up because Rondo's man will be sitting on his lap and everyone already knows he can dunk on fast breaks and rebound/block shots.

[sully00]

I do not think KG would pull this on the Celtics. Why not just keep the team together for another season and then go into a rebuild with a lots of cash(especially if we buy out KG for small dollars)? Why do u have to take a guy like Jordan, when he's such a one-rick-ponny?

I don't know, maybe I'm not right and I hope I ain't, cause he's probably coming regardless of what I think about him.

You seem to be missing the overall issue. If Ainge wanted to keep the team together this would be a non issue. Ainge is the one who is breaking up the team he does not want to bring back Paul at 15.3 mil and Doc and Kevin don't really want to be there either if that is the case. KG and Doc to an extent are agreeing to let Boston trade them to the Clippers both can refuse this if they want to. If Ainge screws this up they are going to be pissed because it is way too public and will make the look bad if they have to come back, they may be able to get over it if they aren't that invested in the idea but if they are I can see them being pretty difficult.

[humblebum]

The best alternative to this deal is keeping KG and running it back. If we eant to develop young talent in a winning environment (which I don't really buy, I think this trade puts Boston somewhere near the bottom of the East for a year or two) what better way to do that than with Paul and Kevin?

[humblebum]

Doc and Kevin (and Paul) are all professionals. If they don't retire they'd put on a good face and would go out there and compete like any other year. Heck I could even see it bonding the team in a locker room vs. management type situation.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

If this trade goes through as is the team will average about 70 points a game next season.

[sully00]

How does Jordan complement Green and Rondo? Teams are going to pack the hell out of the paint and in close games teams can just foul Rondo and Jordan with impunity.

Does everyone agree that if the Celtics can only get one pick that they'd prefer a future pick? One pick in this craptastic draft is plenty.

Seems like Ainge is possibly going to have to cave on this deal and just accept Jordan and a pick. I don't think Jordan will improve his game or value in Boston. You can't post him up because Rondo's man will be sitting on his lap and everyone already knows he can dunk on fast breaks and rebound/block shots.

Defensively Boston gets an athletic rim defender who can rebound. So Sullinger's weaknesses as far as athleticism and shot blocking are addressed and he isn't going to have to face a lot of 7' on the offensive end. His rebounding allows you to play Green at the 4 and not get killed on the glass.

Jordan can run the floor and finish giving Rondo an alleyoop guy on the break and in the half court. Also allows Rondo and Green the ability to but the ball on the glass and have a guy crashing the offensive boards. If Rondo can't exploit a team doubling a guy like Jordan than we are screwed anyhow. The key is that Jordan is good enough offensively to finish when he is wide open so people can't double Rondo, Green, Sullinger and whoever find to play SG and score for this team.

I agree the FT shooting kind of sucks but that is Rondo's problem most big men suck at shooting FT's that doesn't make Jordan special.

[tfmiii]

Why in the world would Danny do this deal now? Why not wait until July, when free agency starts and there is some real pressure on LAC as the various free agents, including Paul, make the rounds with other clubs? Sure, there is a deadline on Pierce's deal, but he's no longer in this Clippers trade.

timeline for hiring a coach is the reason

KG does not go unless Doc is going, so agreement on trade has to come now otherwise LAC misses out on preferred coaching candidates.

So there is a bit of pressure on LAC to come to agreement with us, but they claim they are happy with other candidates.

None of them comes with a DPOY candidate and another HOF in tow however. And they are still talking, so Doc is obviously the top choice.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

We would be screwed in a slow pace half court type game.. I believe DJ will excel in a fast break system where Rondo would thrive also.. DJ would be used in a Tyson type role in a slower pace.. Look for him to set picks and grab off rebounds..

We will have to hope Sully can handle a heavier offensive load.. with him and green.. We can run the offense through them..

[Shamrock]

Gonna be interesting if this trade goes through. Sully should really benefit from being our only post player. Assuming he comes back from injury the same he was before. Could see a big season from Sully.

[Celts17Pride]

If this trade goes through as is the team will average about 70 points a game next season.

It does now. LOL!

[ThirtyFour]

If this deal goes down as is currently reported Danny has truly screwed up. If the trade goes through, we will have gone from a team that would have had a decent shot in the east with some minor tweaks, to a team that is neither terrible nor good enough to win anything.

If the trade doesn't go through, even in the best case scenario that Doc doesn't ditch out, I see KG as already being gone, and PP isn't even a consideration now. So where does that leave us? Honestly I don't know, can someone please explain KG's contract IF he retires.

Will he be on our books for the next two years?? If so how in the hell could Danny let this happen, why in the hell would he not just have committed to this team from the get go for one more year, win or lose, let the team play out and then had plenty of cap space next year plus some hopefully more tradeable contracts in JET, Lee, Bass etc etc.

I feel like this is the late 90's early 00's all over again, and we're gonna look back to this point in history and say why oh why did we give up so much for so little?

[GreenMachine]

I'm hoping for a big year from Sully as well... but I don't know why you are assuming there won't be more moves. I really doubt PP, Bass, Terry and probably Lee are on this team next year... and chances are some big men will be coming back in some of those trades. Maybe even a more established one then Sully such as Smith or Milsap. I could see Sully being the first big off the bench playing both PF and Center. Smith, Jordan and Sully could each get 32 minutes a game...

[GreenMachine]

If this deal goes down as is currently reported Danny has truly screwed up. If the trade goes through, we will have gone from a team that would have had a decent shot in the east with some minor tweaks, to a team that is neither terrible nor good enough to win anything.

If the trade doesn't go through, even in the best case scenario that Doc doesn't ditch out, I see KG as already being gone, and PP isn't even a consideration now. So where does that leave us? Honestly I don't know, can someone please explain KG's contract IF he retires.

Will he be on our books for the next two years?? If so how in the hell could Danny let this happen, why in the hell would he not just have committed to this team from the get go for one more year, win or lose, let the team play out and then had plenty of cap space next year plus some hopefully more tradeable contracts in JET, Lee, Bass etc etc.

I feel like this is the late 90's early 00's all over again, and we're gonna look back to this point in history and say why oh why did we give up so much for so little?

I feel like we are going to look back at this like the Twan trade... the first move of many that led to #17.

[sully00]

According to this http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/93970 ... o-deal-yet

I think this is were we stand.

KG+Terry or Lee for Jordan+Bulter this allows for Boston to actually absorb the cost of Jordan's trade kicker so that the cheap SOB in LA doesn't take on any salary. Lee would seem to be a better fit for the Clippers needs as they have Crawford already but Terry is a year shorter.

Then it is Doc for the draft pick compensation.