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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#161 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:57 pm

To everyone who's ok with Jordan, just remember this story written earlier this season:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-clippers-20130404,0,7748206.column?page=1

The Clippers are in trouble.

They got their 50th win of this storybook season Wednesday night, a franchise record, but internal problems seriously threaten their chances for extraordinary postseason success.

The feel-good Clippers are gone, with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin's immaturity dragging the team down.
Jordan wants nothing to do with Coach Vinny Del Negro because he blames Del Negro for burying him on the bench.

Yet Jordan's inability to play consistently or make free throws, thereby turning the ball over to the opposition much like a turnover, makes him a liability in close games.

Jordan sees it differently, and he has for the last two seasons, maintaining he would be more productive if allowed to play more.

He's as likable as they come and overloaded with athletic ability. But as an NBA starter on a team that wants to compete for championships, he's more cancer than consistent contributor while failing to justify what he's being paid.He'll be unhappy to hear that, and he doesn't react well when not happy. But it's time to grow up as a professional.
Griffin is Jordan's buddy, and still a kid.

His development has been sabotaged by his inability to accept criticism of any sort.

It helps explain why he's always at odds with the referees. He's never done anything wrong, as he sees it, so why are they blowing a whistle and calling him out?

He takes a punishment when he plays, and right now he's playing hurt. But he reacts like a kid when done wrong, looking for the opportunity to get even while giving no regard to how that might affect his team's performance.

He wants the ball like any great player, but when it doesn't go to him, he pouts. He's 24. Most of the time the ball goes to Griffin, but he's concerned only about the times when it doesn't.

The Clippers' future success is tied to Griffin's becoming as mature as he is a high-flying superstar. It would be nice, maybe even vital to the team's success, if it happened overnight.

Griffin has already improved his game at the foul line and shooting from the outside. But he must do the same as a team player rather than aligning himself with the most disgruntled player on the team.

The other night in Sacramento, Griffin and Jordan exchanged words on the bench. Griffin told Jordan he best never again stare him down as he did when Griffin failed to give Jordan a good pass for a dunk.

Everyone else was left to sit there while waiting for the kids to stop bickering.

The pair have also grown tired of Chris Paul's voice, which is understandable at times.

Paul, very much like Kobe Bryant — who has turned off Dwight Howard with his out-of-this-world standards — is relentless. He never shuts up. And Jordan and Griffin have become weary of him.

When asked about being annoying, Paul smiled and said, "I need to work on being a better leader."



So, we're ok with paying this guy $13 million/yr? If he won't listen to Chris Paul or Chauncey Billups, then who's going to keep him in line in Boston? We won't have any vets left over. Do you believe Rondo will have the patience to put up with Jordan's petulance? I don't think he would.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#162 » by tfmiii » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:57 pm

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I do not think KG would pull this on the Celtics. Why not just keep the team together for another season and then go into a rebuild with a lots of cash(especially if we buy out KG for small dollars)? Why do u have to take a guy like Jordan, when he's such a one-rick-ponny?

I don't know, maybe I'm not right and I hope I ain't, cause he's probably coming regardless of what I think about him.


You seem to be missing the overall issue. If Ainge wanted to keep the team together this would be a non issue. Ainge is the one who is breaking up the team he does not want to bring back Paul at 15.3 mil and Doc and Kevin don't really want to be there either if that is the case. KG and Doc to an extent are agreeing to let Boston trade them to the Clippers both can refuse this if they want to. If Ainge screws this up they are going to be pissed because it is way too public and will make the look bad if they have to come back, they may be able to get over it if they aren't that invested in the idea but if they are I can see them being pretty difficult.

interesting take, seems at odds with what the twittersphere is saying.

simmons, vecsey both paint it as Doc. Not that they are terribly reliable.

SAS had this a month or so ago, so something was cooking then.

And we know Ainge was trying KG to LAC in February.

Do you know this or is this you reading tea leaves? What you say is very plausible, ask Doc, KG and PP have always been about keeping it together... would they all defect together? In this regard the trio have always had management on their side as well i would imagine. Easier to keep running the old guys out than face a rebuild. Part of the logic that torpedoed the Ray trade I guess. So job one was to get over the hump that a rebuild is coming and break the alliance between management and the trio. This trade accomplishes that.

So... Ainge spinning this to Doc, KG, PP to get something rather than nothing. Plus he does them a solid by giving them all one more shot at a ring.

But what about Doc's purported interest in Brooklyn? PP saying he did not want to be part of a rebuild? Doc refusing to relocate to Boston despite promises to do so after $35 mill deal? Perhaps this is all unrelated and/or ax-grinding. So hard to tell when so little is transparent.

In any case Vecsey at least seems to think we are getting a good deal to get anything. So maybe Ainge has it all figured after all, he'd rather look like he is losing a deal and let the others think they have 'won' as long as he gets what he wanted all along - a kickstart to the rebuild/reload and a couple assets.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#163 » by Froob » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:57 pm

DA getting blake would be a train robbery of epic proportions that even Kupchak would think was unfair.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#164 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:58 pm

Queequeg wrote:
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The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:If this trade goes through as is the team will average about 70 points a game next season.
It does now. LOL!


You make an excellent point


Believe it or not this team averaged 96 points per game in the regular season. Playoffs, well that was ugly: 82.3.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#165 » by StojkoVrankovic » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:01 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:To everyone who's ok with Jordan, just remember this story written earlier this season:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-clippers-20130404,0,7748206.column?page=1

The Clippers are in trouble.

They got their 50th win of this storybook season Wednesday night, a franchise record, but internal problems seriously threaten their chances for extraordinary postseason success.

The feel-good Clippers are gone, with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin's immaturity dragging the team down.
Jordan wants nothing to do with Coach Vinny Del Negro because he blames Del Negro for burying him on the bench.

Yet Jordan's inability to play consistently or make free throws, thereby turning the ball over to the opposition much like a turnover, makes him a liability in close games.

Jordan sees it differently, and he has for the last two seasons, maintaining he would be more productive if allowed to play more.

He's as likable as they come and overloaded with athletic ability. But as an NBA starter on a team that wants to compete for championships, he's more cancer than consistent contributor while failing to justify what he's being paid.He'll be unhappy to hear that, and he doesn't react well when not happy. But it's time to grow up as a professional.
Griffin is Jordan's buddy, and still a kid.

His development has been sabotaged by his inability to accept criticism of any sort.

It helps explain why he's always at odds with the referees. He's never done anything wrong, as he sees it, so why are they blowing a whistle and calling him out?

He takes a punishment when he plays, and right now he's playing hurt. But he reacts like a kid when done wrong, looking for the opportunity to get even while giving no regard to how that might affect his team's performance.

He wants the ball like any great player, but when it doesn't go to him, he pouts. He's 24. Most of the time the ball goes to Griffin, but he's concerned only about the times when it doesn't.

The Clippers' future success is tied to Griffin's becoming as mature as he is a high-flying superstar. It would be nice, maybe even vital to the team's success, if it happened overnight.

Griffin has already improved his game at the foul line and shooting from the outside. But he must do the same as a team player rather than aligning himself with the most disgruntled player on the team.

The other night in Sacramento, Griffin and Jordan exchanged words on the bench. Griffin told Jordan he best never again stare him down as he did when Griffin failed to give Jordan a good pass for a dunk.

Everyone else was left to sit there while waiting for the kids to stop bickering.

The pair have also grown tired of Chris Paul's voice, which is understandable at times.

Paul, very much like Kobe Bryant — who has turned off Dwight Howard with his out-of-this-world standards — is relentless. He never shuts up. And Jordan and Griffin have become weary of him.

When asked about being annoying, Paul smiled and said, "I need to work on being a better leader."



So, we're ok with paying this guy $13 million/yr? If he won't listen to Chris Paul or Chauncey Billups, then who's going to keep him in line in Boston? We won't have any vets left over. Do you believe Rondo will have the patience to put up with Jordan's petulance? I don't think he would.

I thought we had to suck it up and be thankful that we got anything?
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#166 » by GreenMachine » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:02 pm

Frank Lucas wrote:Man you do realized that this would actually free up money for the Clips to go after Lebron James next off-season. Chris Paul and Lebron are best friends. Lebron is Chris Paul Jr godfather. So the Clippers aren't looking at Dwight because Sterling would never trade with the Lakers.


That would be quite something! And quite a pitch to Paul...
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#167 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:04 pm

TJ Simers on that article hating on DJ...

Latest from LAC beat writers is that 2 draft picks is too much and they are allegedly done dealing with us. Thought they've said that before!
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Post#168 » by 15th overall » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:05 pm

For people referencing the Antoine trade like it was a good thing in the long run.. that trade was god awful. We had to give up a lotto pick (highest pick in Ainge's tenure) just to shed a single year of Raef's albatross deal. We would have been better off waiting a year and getting Jason Terry and scraps like the Mavs got. The lesson there is sometimes it's better to not take a collection of garbage cleverly disguised as "assets".
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Post#169 » by celtics543 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:06 pm

Brad Turner just tweeted that the Clippers have backed out and the deal is off. I believe that's great news but what do we do with Doc/KG/Pierce now?
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#170 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:07 pm

15th overall wrote:For people referencing the Antoine trade like it was a good thing in the long run.. that trade was god awful. We had to give up a lotto pick (highest pick in Ainge's tenure) just to shed a single year of Raef's albatross deal. We would have been better off waiting a year and getting Jason Terry and scraps like the Mavs got. The lesson there is sometimes it's better to not take a collection of garbage cleverly disguised as "assets".


But....but...but...but we got Jiri Welsch! The European Havlicek! :lol:
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#171 » by Frank Lucas » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:07 pm

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Frank Lucas wrote:Danny has the Clippers by the balls right now because the Clippers want Doc Rivers and they want KG, they know that Paul Pierce would be a lock too. So Danny is not going to make a bad deal here. He want Blake Griffin and if he can not get Blake he wants Jordan and Bledsoe. That talk of the Clippers wanting to hold on to Bledsoe because they don't know that Chris Paul is going to do is foolish because they know with Doc Rivers on board as coach Chris Paul is 100% sure to be a Clipper next season.

Lee/Terry isn't the holdup the holdup is the Clippers trying to keep Bledsoe but they know they are going to have to give him up to Boston.


Wow, you really think so? I think the Clippers have more leverage. If they don't get Doc, they have several good fall back coaching candidates. Sure, they'd like KG, but I don't think that LA feels they'd collapse without him. Their only sense of urgency is if they think this is the only way to keep CP3 but they already have an inside track on keeping their own FA anyway.

Meanwhile Boston is backed into a corner with Doc. He's done with them -- either get something or he'll just go into broadcasting. KG won't accept a trade nearly anywhere and would he retire if Doc and PP go?

Danny has the Clippers by the balls because the Clippers really want Doc Rivers. They can't get Doc Rivers without Danny letting him out of his contract. If Doc want to go into TV that is cool Danny could allow that and still hold Doc Rivers rights for the next 3 years. Whereas the Clippers are going to have to sign a coach like Hollins or Shaw and then try to get Chris Paul on board with either one of thos hiring. They know that with Doc Rivers on board Chris Paul will sign with them. Without Doc you have teams like Houston and Atlanta still in play for Chris Paul.

I think the best Ainge can do is Jordan and the two picks, which aren't high picks. And don't be surprised if he settles for Jordan and 1 pick because he'll figure that's better than nothing.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#172 » by Frank Lucas » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:08 pm

Danny has the Clippers by the balls because the Clippers really want Doc Rivers. They can't get Doc Rivers without Danny letting him out of his contract. If Doc want to go into TV that is cool Danny could allow that and still hold Doc Rivers rights for the next 3 years. Whereas the Clippers are going to have to sign a coach like Hollins or Shaw and then try to get Chris Paul on board with either one of thos hiring. They know that with Doc Rivers on board Chris Paul will sign with them. Without Doc you have teams like Houston and Atlanta still in play for Chris Paul.

So again don't belieave the hype it the Boston Celtics who holds all the cards here.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#173 » by zronv7 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:08 pm

Deal is called off, sweet.
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Post#174 » by Shamrock » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:09 pm

Ridiculous but not very surprised.
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Post#175 » by Frank Lucas » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:10 pm

celtics543 wrote:Brad Turner just tweeted that the Clippers have backed out and the deal is off. I believe that's great news but what do we do with Doc/KG/Pierce now?


We let Doc go off into boardcasting, We allow KG to retire a Celtic and we buyout Paul Pierce or try to trade him during draft night.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#176 » by Banks2Pierce » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:10 pm

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15th overall wrote:For people referencing the Antoine trade like it was a good thing in the long run.. that trade was god awful. We had to give up a lotto pick (highest pick in Ainge's tenure) just to shed a single year of Raef's albatross deal. We would have been better off waiting a year and getting Jason Terry and scraps like the Mavs got. The lesson there is sometimes it's better to not take a collection of garbage cleverly disguised as "assets".


But....but...but...but we got Jiri Welsch! The European Havlicek! :lol:


Didn't it ultimately land the picks that got West(vital to Sonics trade for Jesus) and TA in exactly the type of picks that we are trying to acquire?
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#177 » by jfs1000d » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:10 pm

Clippers think price too high? The. No deal. DJ and a first is just not enough for a top coach and even one year of KG. these guys are jokes. Dumb too.

KG doc and probably pierce might win them and nba tie. God forbid the clips compete. Care it, give is cp3 and we wi go get d12 and put them in green.
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#178 » by Froob » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:10 pm

hasn't this deal been called off like 3 times already lol?
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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#179 » by ThirtyFour » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:11 pm

15th overall wrote:For people referencing the Antoine trade like it was a good thing in the long run.. that trade was god awful. We had to give up a lotto pick (highest pick in Ainge's tenure) just to shed a single year of Raef's albatross deal. We would have been better off waiting a year and getting Jason Terry and scraps like the Mavs got. The lesson there is sometimes it's better to not take a collection of garbage cleverly disguised as "assets".


Did we give up a lotto pick in that second trade?

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Re: Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official #2 

Post#180 » by zronv7 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:12 pm

Clippers will be crawling back eventually.

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