Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

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[WhateverBro]

Getting NOTHING is absolutely better than having to pay Deandre Jordan $13 million/yr to whine/sulk on the bench after Rondo yells at him for being a child. Don't want to put up with that guy for a measly late 1st round pick. He's a cancer, and his skills aren't high enough to justify having to put up with his crap. If we're going to take a on headcase, it's gotta be for a guy like Cousins, who can actually play.

You seem to know an awful lot about DeAndre and his future relationship with Rondo.. Seriously, you have no basis in your claims, when has he shown that he's a headcase? First round picks are extremely valuable in the new CBA and Ainge trying to get two for a coach that doesn't want to be here is laughable really. We will never be able to pull off deals with him in charge, he's way too stubborn.

Did you not read the article I just posted a few pages back? The one that said that Griffin and Jordan were already tuning out Chris Paul? It's not that much of a jump to think that if Chris Paul couldn't keep him in line, then the chances of Rondo doing it are slim to none.

And if 1st round picks are so valuable, then why the hell has it been so easy to buy late picks the past few years?

Yes, that article is certainly proof that DeAndre Jordan is a headcase and wouldn't work with Rondo, lol.

Keywords I used; "New CBA", that means, post lockout. Wait and see how many first rounders that will get bought or even traded with the new CBA in place.

[Banks2Pierce]

This has left me with a really interesting debate in my mind. What has the better value out of cap flexibility and late first round draft picks? Our rate under Ainge with late first rounders is better than most: West, Perkins, Rondo, TA, Glen Davis was in that range, Sullinger, Bradley. Our misses were Gerald Green, Giddens, Jajuan, and the jury's still out on Melo(although it's not looking good.) And I'm sure Ainge has it in his head about the players that he's just missed out on and was going to pick, including George Hill and Danny Granger.

I just wonder about how often cap space is actually used to acquire meaningful assets? You can either outright sign guys or take on something crappy to get something good in a salary dump. I just haven't seen enough positive results in those situations. There's also the advantage of being able to take in +150% of the value like sully's been saying if we are under the apron. I feel like this could be worked out into a whole piece, so sorry for being brief.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Doc were playing both sides, is that tampering?

[tfmiii]

I guess I see things a bit differently. I think Boston needed the trade more than LA.

Boston now is stuck with KG on the books unless he retires (or even if, not sure on that part so maybe a capologist can clarify).

Boston will still pay Doc $7m annually even if hits the broadcasting booth, right?

LA likely will get a good coach regardless. The candidate pool is deep.

They still have the inside track on CP3 because they can offer more $$$$ than other teams can.

I think those are the reasons LA felt like it didn't need to meet Ainge's demands.

Or this opens KG's eyes to other possibilities... Houston would look good, so does OKC

[BannersOnly]

Doc has been "leaking" info for years to his boys in the media. He's been the biggest fraud in this town since Drew Bledsoe. Media kisses his ass because he repays them with info. Guy is a joke. That's why the media in this town and nationally treats his punk kid Austin with kids gloves even though the arrogant punk was the biggest BUST in last year's draft.

[Celts17Pride]

This is why the Clippers are the Clippers. That organization is never going to win anything. Why would Doc and KG want to be a part of that organization?

[TommyPoints]

For me I also have motive in that I live half a mile from the AAC in Dallas. I'd rather see Dallas get better so I can watch better live basketball. Giving LAC charity potentially hurts Dallas and doesn't help the C's enough to make it worth it for us.

[KGboss]

If Doc were playing both sides, is that tampering?

in a court of law....

[soxfan2003]

I kind of expect the deal to still happen but I'm very happy that Ainge is fighting for 75 cents on the dollar instead of 50 cents. Under these circumstances of wanting what is best for KG/PP and Rivers and with KG's no trade clause, it's understandable why he wasn't offered full value.

I'm all for rebuilding but that doesn't mean you gift KG to the Clippers for very little compensation.

The Celtics can still simply release PP and let him choose his own team which when they name a coach other then Rivers may not be the Clippers. Then if KG retires that is sad but from a Celtics financial/tanking perspective it is great. If he doesn't, the Celtics can just rest KG a ton next year and perhaps have him sit out weeks at a time if his foot bothers him at all.

1 pick wasn't enough. The Celtics can easily BUY 1 pick for less then the price of taking on DJ contract.

The Celtics were willing to do the Clippers a favor to do what is best for KG/PP if they aren't on the Celtics and for them to not appreciate a great deal isn't the fault of Ainge.

Ainge and the Celtics weren''t being greedy but just using common sense.

[return2glory]

This was like a freakin soap opera.

Clippers backed out because of the $$$$$.

It would be funny if Chris Paul walks now. They can save more $$$$$ that way.

The Clippers basically are saying that Lionel Hollins and Deandre Jordan give them a better chance at a ring than Doc Rivers, KG, and Paul Pierce (and maybe CP3 because he can walk away now.)

There is a reason why the Clippers have never won a championship.

[humblebum]

I'd bet that the leaks are coming from the Clippers. For one, it shows CP3 that they're trying to build a contender and two, it potentially poisons the water between Ainge and Doc/KG thus forcing his hand to take a lesser offer.

[TheOGJabroni]

Ainge should've pulled the trigger. There's no point in keeping KG and Doc here for a rebuild, a pick is better than both of them retiring.

It's not an either/or type situation though. The Clippers are one team. There are 28 other teams to attempt to do business with. If they aren't going to include Bledsoe, no thanks. No need to panic and settle.

[SuperDeluxe]

2. KG retirees and we get nothing back. We actually do. Cap space.
*******$10 million saved.*********

If KG retires, there will be zero cap savings. He's gone, but his salary stays.

[soxfan2003]

I guess I see things a bit differently. I think Boston needed the trade more than LA.

Boston now is stuck with KG on the books unless he retires (or even if, not sure on that part so maybe a capologist can clarify).

Boston will still pay Doc $7m annually even if hits the broadcasting booth, right?

LA likely will get a good coach regardless. The candidate pool is deep.

They still have the inside track on CP3 because they can offer more $$$$ than other teams can.

I think those are the reasons LA felt like it didn't need to meet Ainge's demands.

Or this opens KG's eyes to other possibilities... Houston would look good, so does OKC

The problem with OKC is I would think a KG trade would have to involve Perkins and I'm not sure KG would do that to his friend Perkins unless he was truly convinced he was going to be amnestied and OKC hasn't said they would do that.

However, a team like Golden State may offer fair value...they are in better position to win IMHO then the Clippers and they are also in California. Chicago is cold but KG is used to Chicago and he knows their head coach so that should be a possibility as well.

[tfmiii]

Mark Heisler: Latest #Celtics-Clippers: Getting emotional, as it always does…. Celtics think Doc is playing both sides, advising Clips on who to offer. Twitter @MarkHeisler

wow, sounds like tampering to me, we will get a pick one way or other

[Andrew McCeltic]

Man I'm officially a Clippers hater now- interesting way to breed a rivalry. We can force KG and Doc to walk away from millions of dollars to go to LA, instead we're trying to help them out. We've got a hall of famer and the best player's coach in the league to offer, all we want are their raw center and back-up point guard, both of whom play less than 30 minutes a game- and they nickel and dime us. Talk about overvaluing their assets- the ONLY reason we want Bledsoe/Jordan/1sts is because when you lump all those things together, they actually have a tiny bit of real value. But individually? Nothing.

How about we SUSPEND Doc, so he's still paid and under contract?

[Mr. Dynomite!]

Glad to see Ainge not backing down.

[SuperDeluxe]

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The Clippers will be the Clippers. Always and forever.

[AKFO]

I wonder if "trading" coaches will start to become a thing.