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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#661 » by rockymac52 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:27 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:who in this draft comes close to those numbers? 300 FTM made per game with over 100 blocks?


Why do you assume that this draft even has a player like that?


Seriously lol. What an arbitrary selection of two stats. Only like 5 active players met that threshold.

You do a very good job of isolating a single attribute, then discounting the possibility that 99% of the prospects in the draft possess that attribute, and then claiming that by process of elimination, the only guy left, the guy you are advocating for, MUST have that attribute.

So illogical.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#662 » by tontoz » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:28 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:a big catches the ball outside of the paint with his feet set, dribbles the ball and initiates contact, and after initiating contact, actually scores. Yeah its a pretty rare thing for wizard fans to see.


*sigh*

You still aren't getting it. What you MEANT to say was

"he never demonstrated consistent ability to finish with a defender between him and the RIM."

What you actually said was

"he never demonstrated consistent ability to finish with a defender between him and the BALL."


How can someone finish when a defender is between him and the ball???
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#663 » by sfam » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:40 pm

tontoz wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:a big catches the ball outside of the paint with his feet set, dribbles the ball and initiates contact, and after initiating contact, actually scores. Yeah its a pretty rare thing for wizard fans to see.


*sigh*

You still aren't getting it. What you MEANT to say was

"he never demonstrated consistent ability to finish with a defender between him and the RIM."

What you actually said was

"he never demonstrated consistent ability to finish with a defender between him and the BALL."


How can someone finish when a defender is between him and the ball???

They'd need really really long arms! I bet Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic For could do it!

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#664 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:43 pm

fishercob wrote:Len going number 1 would be a good thing, right?


Yes, for everyone other than Cleveland. LOL
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#665 » by thricethefun » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:46 pm

I can see it now. Choice comes down to Noel or Porter and Ernie picks Porter dooming us to mediocrity forever.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#666 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:47 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Bennett has all star physical tools because he can s ore. At PF he will be a poor man's Blake Griffin. It depends who is around him. I like other players a LOT more in this draft

A poor man's Blake Griffin who can hit FTs and the three ball is hardly a bad thing to get in a low quality draft.


I think this is a quality draft, much like the 2009 draft.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#667 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:57 pm

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fishercob wrote:I am coming around on Anthony Bennett -- or at least that his offensive potential is really significant. With him it seems all about whatever team who drafts him and their ability to turn into a focused and willing defender. If they can, he could be an allstar. He's not my choice for #3, but if he was the pick I could talk myself into it. Dat would kick and scream, but that would feel like a warm blanket of familiarity.


I would be apoplectic and inconsolable. My 3 strongest feelings on this draft. Olynyk will play in the NBA for the next 12 years or so. McLemore will inevitably disappoint and Bennett is a disaster waiting to happen as a top 3 pick (the later he's drafted the better for the team that gets him).


McLemore won't match the hype but IMO will be solid (yet a bust for where he was drafted). I think he's WAY overrated with being a top -5 consensus. I basically agree with Dat .

Bennett does have all star OFFENSE potential, but I think he'll either stay hurt or will fail to defend much of the time. I could see him being like Tobias Harris. But not as good. My Blake comparison holds on defense--he's not a factor. I just don't like Bennett, again agreeing with Dat.

Olynyk is going to score! A whole lot and he will be a ether pro than Bennett.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#668 » by sfam » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:58 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
fishercob wrote:Len going number 1 would be a good thing, right?


Yes, for everyone other than Cleveland. LOL
I fully support Cleveland Tanking Len at #1. He's obviously the right pick for them. If he does have ankle issues that only increases their chances to get wiggins, so yes, draft him!
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#669 » by sfam » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:02 pm

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sfam wrote:
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Bennett has all star physical tools because he can s ore. At PF he will be a poor man's Blake Griffin. It depends who is around him. I like other players a LOT more in this draft

A poor man's Blake Griffin who can hit FTs and the three ball is hardly a bad thing to get in a low quality draft.


I think this is a quality draft, much like the 2009 draft.
so you see talent equivalent to Blake Griffin, Harden, Evans, Rubio and Curry in the first 7 picks? Or are you saying the occaisional Jrue Holiday level guy will be there later on?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#670 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:09 pm

Does anyone think wizards will draft Len at 3?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#671 » by sfam » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:11 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:Does anyone think wizards will draft Len at 3?

Noooooonoooooonoooooo. Lets save Len and his ankles for Cleveland.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#672 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:19 pm

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sfam wrote:A poor man's Blake Griffin who can hit FTs and the three ball is hardly a bad thing to get in a low quality draft.


I think this is a quality draft, much like the 2009 draft.
so you see talent equivalent to Blake Griffin, Harden, Evans, Rubio and Curry in the first 7 picks? Or are you saying the occaisional Jrue Holiday level guy will be there later on?


Both. Oladipo is going to be a stud. Porter will be better than projected. Noel if healthy will become Alonzo Mourning meets KG. Burke will be good offensively but at least a couple other PGs will become stars. (Wolters is so underrated!) There will be at least a couple exceptional seven footers. WizD could be absolutely right about his boy. Steven Adams--ferocious defender and rebounder. Olynyk could be a cross between Scola and Brad Miller. On offense a higher-usage Nene. Franklin has monstrous athleticism. With a shot he'd be up there as a game changer. Cody will be by far the best Zeller.

I also love the low end of this draft, as with 2009.

Dudes like Iverson, Ennis, Roberson, Kemp, Stephens, Carmichael, Kelly. Snaer, Paul, McCallum, Pressey, Reddic, Wyatt, and MARSHALL can all run with NBA teams and contribute.

If it turns out Adams, Len, Bennett et al reach potential this will go down as a tremendous draft.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#673 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:23 pm

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truwizfan4evr wrote:Does anyone think wizards will draft Len at 3?

Noooooonoooooonoooooo. Lets save Len and his ankles for Cleveland.

There's report that Len will be ready for training camp.
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Post#674 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:25 pm

Dark Faze wrote:No to Oladipo. We can't afford to worry about bench depth right now when we have so many other needs.

I'd love him if Ariza and Webster were both 23 and really healthy so we could have a tandem of Ariza/Oladipo off the bench for the next 8 years, but chances are we're going to have bigger holes to fill that don't afford us the option to go for bench depth.


who out of this draft would able to do anything beyond adding depth to our current team?

There is no one in this draft who would break into our starting lineup this year

Wall - no chance
Beal - ditto
Webster or Ariza - probably not
Nene - nope
Okafor - nope

What we want is either quality depth or more long term potential
at the 4/5 where we are old and at more risk of injury problems.

Both Webster and Ariza are young enough if not 23, to be solid for years to come,
assuming health.

I agree with Dat's top tier - Noel, OP, Dipo

I could also live with Zeller/Len/Olynyk as options to address our age issues at the 4/5.
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Post#675 » by Dark Faze » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:27 pm

Porter would start by the all-star break imo
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Post#676 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:32 pm

Nivek wrote:Oladipo is a test of my adherence to the best player available philosophy. I think he's the best prospect in the draft. But he doesn't fit an immediate or pending need. The Wizards need help in the front court right away. They're going to need a SF in the next year or two. They need a third guard and/or a backup PG.

They really don't need a SG, unless they have a pure PG as their backup PG. In which case, they could use a "pure" SG to backup Beal. BUT, that's likely to be 12-14 minutes per game, which wouldn't be much playing time for a third overall pick in the draft, or a guy with the ability Oladipo possesses. Which means you're then kind of forced to play 3-guard lineups to get both Beal and Oladipo playing time, which isn't ideal because somebody has to play out of position and against an opponent with a significant size advantage.

Much as I like Oladipo, I don't think he's "the guy" for the Wizards. To me, the next best prospect is Zeller, but apparently almost no one else seems to think that. I'd try to trade the 3 for a pick in the range where I could get Zeller plus something else useful. Or pick Zeller at 3. Or pick Porter, if he's still there. I'm glad there's still some time to the draft. :)


I kind of agree although I worry as I think you do as well, that Dipo could be good
enough (compared to the other options) to still justify being the pick at 3.

I like Zeller. As I posted earlier and in an analogous sense to what Nate posted
about his top 4 all possibly being available when we pick, if we went back a year
ago and said you probably have the opportunity to draft Zeller in a year, then Zeller
goes out and is one of the top players in the NCAA, you'd think we ought to be pretty
happy to take him. Then add in that he appears to be a better rangier shooter with
better athletic ability...in the words of Fish, we could be over-thinking this.

I still like Porter the best. Noel both scares and intrigues me.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#677 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:36 pm

AFM wrote:
Nivek wrote:I would need to be convinced that picking a guy who needs to be motivated to play hard on defense is a good strategy for assembling a team. I like Bennett as a prospect, but the defensive effort issue does concern me. I'm trying to think of prospects with iffy motivation who got selected high and then turned out to be terrific pros. No one jumps to mind, but I'm probably just blanking on it.

All that said, I'm also not entirely convinced that the defensive effort issue isn't being exaggerated with Bennett. Even if it isn't, he's a guy I'd be willing to pick -- but not at 3.

Iffy defensive effort? How about Melo


Melo, if measured by team success, has been a bit of a disappointment.
What's his record in the playoffs? Call that unfair if you wish. Maybe it is.
As talented as he is, one could describe his contribution as empty stats.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#678 » by Nivek » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 pm

dobrojim wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:No to Oladipo. We can't afford to worry about bench depth right now when we have so many other needs.

I'd love him if Ariza and Webster were both 23 and really healthy so we could have a tandem of Ariza/Oladipo off the bench for the next 8 years, but chances are we're going to have bigger holes to fill that don't afford us the option to go for bench depth.


who out of this draft would able to do anything beyond adding depth to our current team?

There is no one in this draft who would break into our starting lineup this year

Wall - no chance
Beal - ditto
Webster or Ariza - probably not
Nene - nope
Okafor - nope

What we want is either quality depth or more long term potential
at the 4/5 where we are old and at more risk of injury problems.

Both Webster and Ariza are young enough if not 23, to be solid for years to come,
assuming health.

I agree with Dat's top tier - Noel, OP, Dipo

I could also live with Zeller/Len/Olynyk as options to address our age issues at the 4/5.


I think Porter could start right away for the Wizards. Zeller could too with Nene coming off the bench. Other than those two, I don't see the Wizards drafting anyone who would be a regular starter this season. Barring injury.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#679 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 pm

how about we draft Noel. Keep him out most of the year...tank...end up as a top 5 lottery pick again.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#680 » by Wizardspride » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:Does anyone think wizards will draft Len at 3?

If Len is available they SHOULD....but they won't. :(

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