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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#681 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:46 pm

Nivek wrote:[major snippage]

And I agree completely that I would not trade down for Austin Rivers, who rated as the league's worst player last season (minimum 500 minutes), and who had a TERRIBLE rating in YODA before last season's draft. If I could get something the team needs -- quality backup PG, starting-caliber SF, good reserve big man -- PLUS stay in the range to pick up Zeller or one of the guys in that third tier...then I'd pull the trigger. Otherwise, just stay put, pick Oladipo and plan to play some really small ball for 12 minutes a game.



we could do the defensive version of what GS did with 3 guards. Yes we would be vulnerable
to being posted up but it isn't unusual for teams who try to force that when that isn't the
natural ability of their players to be less effective than might be presumed.

GS drove teams crazy playing Curry/Thompson/JJack/Barnes and a big.
I don't think a lineup of Wall, Beal, Dipo, Ariza and Okafor/Nene for limited stretches
in order to get Dipo up to 25 mpg (reasonable for a rookie) would be that bad a thing.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#682 » by Nivek » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:51 pm

Jay81 wrote:how about we draft Noel. Keep him out most of the year...tank...end up as a top 5 lottery pick again.


As constructed, the Wizards are 6-8 seed -- unless Wall gets hurt again. That's before adding the 3rd pick or free agents.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#683 » by tsvqt » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:52 pm

I'm probably the only one in the room that would be estacic if Draftnet's prediction of us taking JAMES SOUTHERLAND and RYAN KELLY with our 2nd round picks actually happened. I would LOVE to see them on our summer league team.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#684 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:53 pm

dobrojim wrote:
Nivek wrote:[major snippage]

And I agree completely that I would not trade down for Austin Rivers, who rated as the league's worst player last season (minimum 500 minutes), and who had a TERRIBLE rating in YODA before last season's draft. If I could get something the team needs -- quality backup PG, starting-caliber SF, good reserve big man -- PLUS stay in the range to pick up Zeller or one of the guys in that third tier...then I'd pull the trigger. Otherwise, just stay put, pick Oladipo and plan to play some really small ball for 12 minutes a game.



we could do the defensive version of what GS did with 3 guards. Yes we would be vulnerable
to being posted up but it isn't unusual for teams who try to force that when that isn't the
natural ability of their players to be less effective than might be presumed.

GS drove teams crazy playing Curry/Thompson/JJack/Barnes and a big.
I don't think a lineup of Wall, Beal, Dipo, Ariza and Okafor/Nene for limited stretches
in order to get Dipo up to 25 mpg (reasonable for a rookie) would be that bad a thing.


Very interesting. I'm starting to consider Oladipo more strongly. Porter is the safe pick, but maybe too safe. Bennett is exactly the type of player that has bitten the Wiz in the past, so I'm inclined to stay away from him. And I'm not feeling Len, either. That pretty much leaves Oladipo.

I'm still concerned about planning for "small ball" (a la EFJ) because I don't want the team to feel pressured to go to it even if it's not working. GSW didn't seem to specifically draft Barnes or sign Jack because they intended to use them primarily out of position for significant portions of games. It just worked out that way. It developed naturally because it worked, rather than being forced even if it didn't work.

Could be that Oladipo feels the same way, and that's why he declined a visit. Maybe he doesn't want to start his NBA career playing half or more of his minutes at SF.
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Post#685 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:55 pm

If OP is good enough to supplant Webster/Ariza THIS year, taking
him is a no-brainer. I'm not convinced that will be the case. If
it turns out that way for us, we're CLEARLY on the right course.
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Post#686 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:55 pm

Sources tell ESPN that Kansas SG Ben McLemore was out of shape in recent workouts for the Suns and Magic.
McLemore reportedly "struggled to keep up." It's not a good look for a player whose assertiveness and motivation was already being questioned thanks to a bunch of passive games in college. McLemore is sliding down boards as the June 27 draft approaches. Chad Ford does have him going fifth to the Suns in his latest Mock.
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Post#687 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:57 pm

Nivek wrote:
Jay81 wrote:how about we draft Noel. Keep him out most of the year...tank...end up as a top 5 lottery pick again.


As constructed, the Wizards are 6-8 seed -- unless Wall gets hurt again. That's before adding the 3rd pick or free agents.


we always choose the wrong draft to be decent. There will be major injuries most likley again this year. Thats one thing you can count on with the wizards
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#688 » by dobrojim » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:57 pm

Maybe Beal would turn out to be the 3 in a Wizards small ball lineup.
That's what happened to him at Florida. And he managed to do pretty
well with it. Not saying it's ideal, but saying it could work well enough.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#689 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:02 pm

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truwizfan4evr wrote:Does anyone think wizards will draft Len at 3?

Noooooonoooooonoooooo. Lets save Len and his ankles for Cleveland.

There's report that Len will be ready for training camp.

But still, he's not going to do much as a rookie. Cleveland's in the same bind that Warshington is in - they've told their fans they're going to the playoffs next year, so they need someone to contribute right away. For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they take Otto - he can step in pretty soon and also fills a major need.
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Post#690 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:09 pm

Our franchise player is demanding a stretch four, can we trade down from the three spot and get our franchise player the piece he desperately needs in the starting line up?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#691 » by LyricalRico » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:10 pm

Ruzious wrote:Cleveland's in the same bind that Warshington is in - they've told their fans they're going to the playoffs next year, so they need someone to contribute right away. For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they take Otto - he can step in pretty soon and also fills a major need.


Makes sense, and I recall posting something similar in a prior draft thread. It would make Orlando's choice very interesting IMO since they already have Vucevic. Do they take Noel and try to make it work with one of them at PF? Or do they take Bennett or Oladipo to fill another need? Or do they trade down with somebody that has to have Noel?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#692 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:12 pm

sfam wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:I like his offense sfam, I really do. My main concern though is that he's just so much bigger and faster than everyone on the floor, and he really won't be in the pros. That's what kills the tweeners--the fact that they aren't getting second chance shots at the rim anymore or getting to it as easy. Other than his jumpshooting (which I think will translate) his entire offense seems to be based on the fact that he's faster and bigger than virtually anyone he plays against.

We will see what happens. I'm more than willing to give you credit if he dominates at the next level. I'm very excited for next season to see how these prospects pan out.


Fair enough. And I fully admit I could be wrong.

Maybe I am reaching but I'm willing to take the chance, because unlike some here, I don't think we are a role player or two away from being a contender. Wall and Beal plus a bunch of role players is not gonna get it done. I think we need another real impact player up-front before we can start tweaking and consolidating our roster for a real run. Yes we need to get real talent on the bench (temple doesn't qualify), but we need real talent in our core as well. Maybe Porter ends up at all-star level, but I doubt it - I still agree he would be a fine addition to our roster though - but we would still need to find another impact player. I just think with the #3 pick that's what we should be striving for - lets go for gold even if its more risky- lets not settle for bronze. To me, Bennett and Noel have the best chance of getting to that level. Right now I like Bennett a bit more than Noel because he's good in exactly where we're weak.


I have the same process. I can't pass on a guy I believe has the best chance to be a great player, just to insure that I get a competent to above average player. That's not good enough to me, and has been argued earlier by another poster, there are only two proven foundation pieces on this team. A year from now, unless we add significant free agents, or some roster player drafted between '10-'12 who is nothing but a backup, blossoms, this team will have as legit building block assets: Wall, Beal, and perhaps the '13 mystery draftee. We cant behave as if we have some outstanding foundation layed by the '09-'12 dumpster fire drafts, because we've already entirely blown all the picks in all those drafts save for two (and possibly Satoranksy).

We can't be okay w/just getting "solid" unless that's the best this draft holds in terms of potential and talent. IF there are some potential players with higher ceilings, a Len, a Bennett, an Oladipo, a Noel, then you must take them. If you believe Porter belongs in that tier, or even higher (Pelton thinks so), then okay, but if you are like most scouts, and evaluators and view Bennett as a future above average to good player, and no better, than Bennett, or someone else HAS to be the pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#693 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:12 pm

tsvqt wrote:I'm probably the only one in the room that would be estacic if Draftnet's prediction of us taking JAMES SOUTHERLAND and RYAN KELLY with our 2nd round picks actually happened. I would LOVE to see them on our summer league team.

I'd be fine with that. Kelly is the most underrated prospect that I know of, and I talked about Southerland a week or 2 ago - could be a good 3 and D 3. Measured really well for a 3. He was a bit of a late bloomer, but as a late 2nd rounder - he's a good pick - not sure I'd use our 1st 2nd rounder on him. If Kelly's not drafted, it might be because of the injury not healing well. He already needed to get in much better shape - so it's even more important that he's healthy enough to do that. If his health is good, and he reduces that high body fat %, he'll be a rotation player in the NBA.
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Post#694 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:16 pm

Really like this kid..
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#695 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:16 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Cleveland's in the same bind that Warshington is in - they've told their fans they're going to the playoffs next year, so they need someone to contribute right away. For that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if they take Otto - he can step in pretty soon and also fills a major need.


Makes sense, and I recall posting something similar in a prior draft thread. It would make Orlando's choice very interesting IMO since they already have Vucevic. Do they take Noel and try to make it work with one of them at PF? Or do they take Bennett or Oladipo to fill another need? Or do they trade down with somebody that has to have Noel?

If I'm Orlando, I jump at the chance to add Noel. He makes up for Vuce's weaknesses, and Vuce makes up for his weaknesses, so I'd think they'd be a great fit with a good coach.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#696 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:16 pm

Ernie will trade are second rounder's or draft euro players and stash them overseas so don't even look forward for them second round picks.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#697 » by Dark Faze » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:20 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:
sfam wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:I like his offense sfam, I really do. My main concern though is that he's just so much bigger and faster than everyone on the floor, and he really won't be in the pros. That's what kills the tweeners--the fact that they aren't getting second chance shots at the rim anymore or getting to it as easy. Other than his jumpshooting (which I think will translate) his entire offense seems to be based on the fact that he's faster and bigger than virtually anyone he plays against.

We will see what happens. I'm more than willing to give you credit if he dominates at the next level. I'm very excited for next season to see how these prospects pan out.


Fair enough. And I fully admit I could be wrong.

Maybe I am reaching but I'm willing to take the chance, because unlike some here, I don't think we are a role player or two away from being a contender. Wall and Beal plus a bunch of role players is not gonna get it done. I think we need another real impact player up-front before we can start tweaking and consolidating our roster for a real run. Yes we need to get real talent on the bench (temple doesn't qualify), but we need real talent in our core as well. Maybe Porter ends up at all-star level, but I doubt it - I still agree he would be a fine addition to our roster though - but we would still need to find another impact player. I just think with the #3 pick that's what we should be striving for - lets go for gold even if its more risky- lets not settle for bronze. To me, Bennett and Noel have the best chance of getting to that level. Right now I like Bennett a bit more than Noel because he's good in exactly where we're weak.


We can't be okay w/just getting "solid" unless that's the best this draft holds in terms of potential and talent. IF there are some potential players with higher ceilings, a Len, a Bennett, an Oladipo, a Noel, then you must take them. If you believe Porter belongs in that tier, or even higher (Pelton thinks so), then okay, but if you are like most scouts, and evaluators and view Bennett as a future above average to good player, and no better, than Bennett, or someone else HAS to be the pick.


I don't want Porter because I think he's just "solid". I like him because I flat out think he's better than Bennett. Bennetts ceiling isn't much higher than Porters imo while Porters defensive floor is much much higher than Bennetts.

I could end up being wrong, but I don't like Porter just because of low bust potential, but because I like him to be better than Bennett at the end of the day.

As for Cavs being in the same place as the Wizards in having guaranteed a playoff berth--our advantage is that if we're healthy we can make the playoffs even if we didn't have a pick this year, so if Noel is there we can make the playoffs and make the best longterm move.

The Cavs on the otherhand need this pick to produce immediately to make good on their promise.
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Post#698 » by tontoz » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:27 pm

dobrojim wrote:If OP is good enough to supplant Webster/Ariza THIS year, taking
him is a no-brainer. I'm not convinced that will be the case. If
it turns out that way for us, we're CLEARLY on the right course.




Webster isn't on the roster and Ariza might not be on opening day.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#699 » by stevemcqueen1 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:40 pm

dobrojim wrote:
AFM wrote:
Nivek wrote:I would need to be convinced that picking a guy who needs to be motivated to play hard on defense is a good strategy for assembling a team. I like Bennett as a prospect, but the defensive effort issue does concern me. I'm trying to think of prospects with iffy motivation who got selected high and then turned out to be terrific pros. No one jumps to mind, but I'm probably just blanking on it.

All that said, I'm also not entirely convinced that the defensive effort issue isn't being exaggerated with Bennett. Even if it isn't, he's a guy I'd be willing to pick -- but not at 3.

Iffy defensive effort? How about Melo


Melo, if measured by team success, has been a bit of a disappointment.
What's his record in the playoffs? Call that unfair if you wish. Maybe it is.
As talented as he is, one could describe his contribution as empty stats.


Melo is one of the few players in the NBA who, no matter who else is on the team with him, is an automatic ticket to the playoffs. If you could get that kind of player with Bennett, then you draft him first overall and never look back.

But I don't think he's as good as Melo. Melo is a true work horse with a ridiculously diverse scoring toolkit and some scoring moves that are the best in the NBA.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII 

Post#700 » by nuposse04 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:43 pm

So if we really do and up drafting Noel (which would be my number 1 choice) I'd be an advocate of trying to trade into the mid to early 20s and take Giannis kid if he's still there. I know a lot of people are probably scared of euro prospects now but I think Noel will be a sure thing assuming he passes his physical. Giannis could play behind Webster/Ariza for a year and then start seeing significant minutes later.

Although I just noticed DX has Giannis at 16 now to the celtics...well eff.

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