Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[FlatearthZorro]

Not me claiming sources guys. This was from two guests on ESPN 710, one of which is EXTREMELY reliable in Ramona Shelburne. Sounds like the general feeling is deal still likely gets done, just not now. Clippers will finish job interviews today and tomorrow and Boston will have another chance to deal.

Aww, Danny will get a 2nd shot at getting a Jordan.. Nice, good for us.

Here's to this deal not happening. Cheers.

[LobCityClips]

Ramona Shelburne is the Globe's LA version of Woj where she's been very much in on all these talks and been right about her info.

[wickerhd]

If it weren't for all the leaks, nobody would have their panties in a twist. Unless this becomes the reason Chris Paul bolts, nobody will be unhappy this deal didn't occur. For Celtic fans, it's much more important to deal with the Paul Pierce issue. The clock is ticking and they have to make a decision by the end of the month!

[EJay33]

The fact that Ainge isn't doing this is a friggin joke. It is all about Danny's ego right now. He thinks Garnett and Doc have value and he wants to be compensated for it. He is ignoring what is best for the team. He should be thanking his lucky friggin stars that someone is going to take Doc and Garnett's salary off the books and expedite this team's trip to lottery land. The years Danny had to give KG and Pierce to keep them were not team friendly. The Clippers are about to erase a huge financial burden and the #1 reason why this team can't rebuild (It's best player, Garnett, who virtually guarantees a playoff birth).

Even if you get absolutely nothing - say, Caron Butler and no picks, Danny should do it. My God who wants to see this same old, boring team back next year? Guys, it's a golden opportunity to get out of NBA purgatory. We are spared 1 more year of a 7th or 8th seed. Give Ainge all of the credit in the world for trying to get Bledsoe, trying to get 2 picks, trying to get cap relief, but look at it from LA's perspective. Bledsoe, picks, and cap space have value. Boston wants to get rid of their players anyways. Why give up value?

It is a perfect situation for both teams. Even if you get NO ASSETS, even if you simply take back nothing bad and are able to move Garnett/Pierce/Doc, you do it. It's simple. We're not going anywhere and we need to get out of the luxury tax and into the lottery for a year or two. Sorry, that's reality. One more year of 8th seed basketball with a bunch of 35+ year olds makes me want to puke. Anyone who is for that is kidding themselves or not seeing the big picture. Factor in that it's a good team and a good location for KG to finish his career and not only does it help the Celtics, it is a classy send off for our best player since Larry Bird.

[Andrew McCeltic]

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/clippers/post/_/id/4655/clippers-are-far-from-done-dealing

Like I said. No matter what we are making trades. Just maybe not with the Celtics.

The spin on that blog is ridiculous- the Clippers have analyzed hundreds of trade scenarios, you're waiting for Granger, Jordan is a young Tyson Chandler, and Afflalo is actually a less splashy but more important acquisition than Garnett?

[Celts17Pride]

I guarantee if the deal gets done the Celtics will get more than DJ and a 1st rounder. Ainge won't give in.

[FlatearthZorro]

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/clippers/post/_/id/4655/clippers-are-far-from-done-dealing

Like I said. No matter what we are making trades. Just maybe not with the Celtics.

The spin on that blog is ridiculous- the Clippers have analyzed hundreds of trade scenarios, you're waiting for Granger, Jordan is a young Tyson Chandler, and Afflalo is actually a less splashy but more important acquisition than Garnett?

Afflalo just blew his knee, and his per 36 is 13.6 (which is 1 over Courtney Lee) and he's worth 5 mils more, makes sense.. Definitely makes sense, now I realize why the Clippers sucked for so long.


P.S. Props to the guy who brought out the comparation between Afflalo and Lee.

[TommyPoints]

Not me claiming sources guys. This was from two guests on ESPN 710, one of which is EXTREMELY reliable in Ramona Shelburne. Sounds like the general feeling is deal still likely gets done, just not now. Clippers will finish job interviews today and tomorrow and Boston will have another chance to deal.

Aww, Danny will get a 2nd shot at getting a Jordan.. Nice, good for us.

Here's to this deal not happening. Cheers.

Cheers to that.

[ermocrate]

Where are the official sources in all this?

[wickerhd]

The fact that Ainge isn't doing this is a friggin joke. It is all about Danny's ego right now. He thinks Garnett and Doc have value and he wants to be compensated for it. He is ignoring what is best for the team. He should be thanking his lucky friggin stars that someone is going to take Doc and Garnett's salary off the books and expedite this team's trip to lottery land. The years Danny had to give KG and Pierce to keep them were not team friendly. The Clippers are about to erase a huge financial burden and the #1 reason why this team can't rebuild (It's best player, Garnett, who virtually guarantees a playoff birth).

Even if you get absolutely nothing - say, Caron Butler and no picks, Danny should do it. My God who wants to see this same old, boring team back next year? Guys, it's a golden opportunity to get out of NBA purgatory. We are spared 1 more year of a 7th or 8th seed. Give Ainge all of the credit in the world for trying to get Bledsoe, trying to get 2 picks, trying to get cap relief, but look at it from LA's perspective. Bledsoe, picks, and cap space have value. Boston wants to get rid of their players anyways. Why give up value?

It is a perfect situation for both teams. Even if you get NO ASSETS, even if you simply take back nothing bad and are able to move Garnett/Pierce/Doc, you do it. It's simple. We're not going anywhere and we need to get out of the luxury tax and into the lottery for a year or two. Sorry, that's reality. One more year of 8th seed basketball with a bunch of 35+ year olds makes me want to puke. Anyone who is for that is kidding themselves or not seeing the big picture. Factor in that it's a good team and a good location for KG to finish his career and not only does it help the Celtics, it is a classy send off for our best player since Larry Bird.

The lottery has never been kind to the Celtics. I remember subscribing to this philosophy at the end of the Bird era, and it was 20 years before we became relevant again

[LobCityClips]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Doc Rivers will be in Boston on Wednesday and plans to sit down with Danny Ainge, league source says.

You guys think he wants to work it out?

[wizardg]

I understand WHY you guys have big attachments to your people and as fans we always value our assets higher than others but here me out Celtics fans. The reasons this deal was more vital to your team than the Clippers are...

You're losing Doc, KG and Pierce this summer now anyways most likely, why not at least get SOMETHING for them. Pierce was already being bought out, Doc was already getting cold feet (you guys made a thread 3 weeks ago about moving on from him) and KG was contemplating retirement if Celtics go into rebuilding.

Clippers were going to settle the finances with you guys for Doc, DJ is 24 with upside still and if he doesn't work out can be flipped next deadline for decent value with a year left on the deal. The Clippers on the other hand are strong favorites to keep CP3 anyways and don't mind keeping young assets to trade.

Now so much has emotionally been invested by both sides that to break the deal up is going to have huge repercussions, especially with Boston as I said.

So taking on the useless DeAndre Jordan and his large contract along with the 25th pick in the draft is supposed to make me want to give you Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett?

Um no, I'd rather see KG retire a Celtic and Doc sit in a TNT booth and look miserable.

One of the Celtics problems is that most NBA players don't like Boston. That's where Doc came in his rep changed the equation to Boston. After this fiasco. Its gonna make Boston even less favorable NBA FA destination.

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

Ainge and Doc knew his contract was never to be fulfilled. like a 50 years who buys a house on a 30 mortgage. And Ainge knew that Garnett and Pierce wanted to play in LA if the Celtics blew it up.

If Doc, PP, and Garnett are soured by the way their end in Boston plays out. Ainge losses credibility with the NBA players.

Before Garnett almost nobody wanted any part of Boston, remember Garnett almost passed on Boston. Ainge had to overpay to get Jet and Lee last year.

Good Luck

[FlatearthZorro]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Doc Rivers will be in Boston on Wednesday and plans to sit down with Danny Ainge, league source says.

You guys think he wants to work it out?

Work out what?

Don't know what you're talking about, Doc will be next to Van Gundy next season.

[Frank Lucas]

I think the league has told both teams to say that the deal is off because it now taken away from the NBA finals. I actually think something gets down by Friday.

[soxfan2003]

The fact that Ainge isn't doing this is a friggin joke. It is all about Danny's ego right now. He thinks Garnett and Doc have value and he wants to be compensated for it. He is ignoring what is best for the team. He should be thanking his lucky friggin stars that someone is going to take Doc and Garnett's salary off the books and expedite this team's trip to lottery land. The years Danny had to give KG and Pierce to keep them were not team friendly. The Clippers are about to erase a huge financial burden and the #1 reason why this team can't rebuild (It's best player, Garnett, who virtually guarantees a playoff birth).

Even if you get absolutely nothing - say, Caron Butler and no picks, Danny should do it. My God who wants to see this same old, boring team back next year? Guys, it's a golden opportunity to get out of NBA purgatory. We are spared 1 more year of a 7th or 8th seed. Give Ainge all of the credit in the world for trying to get Bledsoe, trying to get 2 picks, trying to get cap relief, but look at it from LA's perspective. Bledsoe, picks, and cap space have value. Boston wants to get rid of their players anyways. Why give up value?

It is a perfect situation for both teams. Even if you get NO ASSETS, even if you simply take back nothing bad and are able to move Garnett/Pierce/Doc, you do it. It's simple. We're not going anywhere and we need to get out of the luxury tax and into the lottery for a year or two. Sorry, that's reality. One more year of 8th seed basketball with a bunch of 35+ year olds makes me want to puke. Anyone who is for that is kidding themselves or not seeing the big picture. Factor in that it's a good team and a good location for KG to finish his career and not only does it help the Celtics, it is a classy send off for our best player since Larry Bird.

The lottery has never been kind to the Celtics. I remember subscribing to this philosophy at the end of the Bird era, and it was 20 years before we became relevant again

Actually the Celtics besides 1997 never actually did a full tank....I mean tank the entire season. Never in my lifetime and that was the huge problem.

And even the Celtics bad luck would have paid off better in 1997 if someone more competent then Pitino was in charge.

The Celtics have had one tank and I think it led to Billups and another partial tank that led to Ray Allen then KG.

The years of trying to compete by drafting players in the late lottery or mid teens were a DISASTER. And that is one of the reasons and knowing my nba history is why I'm 100% in favor of tanking next year.

[LobCityClips]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m

As much as Rivers wanted Clippers job, Boston management wanted to use deal to speed up rebuilding process. Ainge and Rivers aren't at odds.

[LobCityClips]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Doc Rivers will be in Boston on Wednesday and plans to sit down with Danny Ainge, league source says.

You guys think he wants to work it out?

Work out what?

Don't know what you're talking about, Doc will be next to Van Gundy next season.

So no chance at Doc staying to coach?

[Captain_Caveman]

I actually think this is dead for real. If their final offer was DJ and the 25th pick in this year's draft, there is absolutely nothing to talk about.

[soxfan2003]

I understand WHY you guys have big attachments to your people and as fans we always value our assets higher than others but here me out Celtics fans. The reasons this deal was more vital to your team than the Clippers are...

You're losing Doc, KG and Pierce this summer now anyways most likely, why not at least get SOMETHING for them. Pierce was already being bought out, Doc was already getting cold feet (you guys made a thread 3 weeks ago about moving on from him) and KG was contemplating retirement if Celtics go into rebuilding.

Clippers were going to settle the finances with you guys for Doc, DJ is 24 with upside still and if he doesn't work out can be flipped next deadline for decent value with a year left on the deal. The Clippers on the other hand are strong favorites to keep CP3 anyways and don't mind keeping young assets to trade.

Now so much has emotionally been invested by both sides that to break the deal up is going to have huge repercussions, especially with Boston as I said.

So taking on the useless DeAndre Jordan and his large contract along with the 25th pick in the draft is supposed to make me want to give you Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett?

Um no, I'd rather see KG retire a Celtic and Doc sit in a TNT booth and look miserable.

One of the Celtics problems is that most NBA players don't like Boston. That's where Doc came in his rep changed the equation to Boston. After this fiasco. Its gonna make Boston even less favorable NBA FA destination.

Sometimes its not about trying to squeeze every drop out of the orange. Sometimes its about class.

Ainge and Doc knew his contract was never to be fulfilled. like a 50 years who buys a house on a 30 mortgage. And Ainge knew that Garnett and Pierce wanted to play in LA if the Celtics blew it up.

If Doc, PP, and Garnett are soured by the way their end in Boston plays out. Ainge losses credibility with the NBA players.

Before Garnett almost nobody wanted any part of Boston, remember Garnett almost passed on Boston. Ainge had to overpay to get Jet and Lee last year.

Good Luck

Trust me from having watched the Celtics enough... I think KG/Doc/PP are professional enough to know when the Celtics are being low-balled and none of them will hold it against Ainge.

If Ainge was being greedy and didn't come down from his initial asking price, sure they could be upset but certainly not at Boston rejecting the Clippers last offer.

If I was KG, I would actually be insulted to be traded for DJ so if anything he is upset since the asking price is too low.

[ermocrate]

The worst thing in all this situation is that our board has turned into troll-land, 17 titles and still someone thinks he is entitled to talk about how Boston sucks and is undesirable...