Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[TommyPoints]

The Clippers are taking a beating on ESPN over this.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Jackie Mac just said on Around the Horn that "according to her sources" Doc is prepared to come back and coach

What a dick.

Probably the same sources who told her the number 1 goal of the off-season was to trade for Millsap.

[The Corey's]

Doc will never recover from this. Not unless he comes back, actually sticks it out and wins another championship. I'm ok with him coming back. Simply to preserve his contract status and in line of keeping the possibility of compensation.

That said. He isn't coming back.

[BigTrade92]

At this point, the best-case for the Clippers is:

Pierce gets bought out, we amnesty Garnett, release Doc-
Both sign with LA, as does Doc.

Pretty sure we can't amnesty Garnett because his contract came after the lockout.

Also, I couldn't be happier that Ainge held his ground and refused to take back negative value for Garnett. I would much rather see Garnett and Pierce retire as Celtics rather than receive a late first rounder and an overpaid Jordan.

Maybe you guys think that DJ is overpaid, but that's not a view around the league... a lot of teams would be more than happy to take that contract off of LACs hands. Maybe you are spoiled having KG playing C at a hometown discount, but Cs like DJ are hard to find in the league. He would easily get a $10 mill per year offer if he was a FA this summer.

Cool? Should we care? We still don't want him unless we're either shedding salary or getting Bledsoe as well.

You Clips fans keep trying to convince us that we missed an opportunity on a good deal, but any knowledgable basketball fan can see that it's quite the opposite. Give it a rest please.

[soxfan2003]

At this point, the best-case for the Clippers is:

Pierce gets bought out, we amnesty Garnett, release Doc-
Both sign with LA, as does Doc.

Pretty sure we can't amnesty Garnett because his contract came after the lockout.

Also, I couldn't be happier that Ainge held his ground and refused to take back negative value for Garnett. I would much rather see Garnett and Pierce retire as Celtics rather than receive a late first rounder and an overpaid Jordan.

Maybe you guys think that DJ is overpaid, but that's not a view around the league... a lot of teams would be more than happy to take that contract off of LACs hands. Maybe you are spoiled having KG playing C at a hometown discount, but Cs like DJ are hard to find in the league. He would easily get a $10 mill per year offer if he was a FA this summer.

By who after that playoff performance? It just would no longer happen with a lot of teams wanting to sign him to a 2 year 21.5 million dollar contract. A mediocre team may give him a 2 year 16 million dollar deal to see if he improves under their coaching but besides that I just don't even see the bad teams giving him much money. What is their incentive when they can just take a gamble on a couple of bigs from overseas and hope one of them pays off.

Jordan has just given very strong indications he is not worth the money. It says a lot when his own coach wanted him traded. Coaches normally don't requests trades of players like that but he was saying our team can't win with him as our starting center.

[Edug27]

Maybe you guys think that DJ is overpaid, but that's not a view around the league... a lot of teams would be more than happy to take that contract off of LACs hands. Maybe you are spoiled having KG playing C at a hometown discount, but Cs like DJ are hard to find in the league. He would easily get a $10 mill per year offer if he was a FA this summer.

Agreed to a certain extent. We are underrating Jordan. I mean, we NEED a big center badly, and may be stuck with Wilcox and J.Collins again next season. But we also have the option of keeping KG. Gamble? Sure. But I'm still taking KG over Jordan any day.

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't? Is Blake that good? I don't know, but I don't see how this deal automatically makes the Clips a title contender. Might be better for them to not have done this deal in the long run.

[SuperDeluxe]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

[Captain_Caveman]

Maybe you guys think that DJ is overpaid, but that's not a view around the league... a lot of teams would be more than happy to take that contract off of LACs hands. Maybe you are spoiled having KG playing C at a hometown discount, but Cs like DJ are hard to find in the league. He would easily get a $10 mill per year offer if he was a FA this summer.

That's not my understanding at all.

[ermocrate]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

I agree, plus we have room to operate...

[Banks2Pierce]

Comparing him with Steamer is a little too dramatic. Jordan is a constant rim threat. The guy's max reach is 12+ feet and he's a constant rim threat once the pg gets past halfcourt. I still don't like his defense that much, but he improved to a serviceable level recently. Has decent numbers in postups and vs. the pick and roll. Also a good rebounder.

I wouldn't be THAT surprised if we called them back and caved on their latest demand.

[Banks2Pierce]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

CP3's a legitimate MVP candidate and affects ORtg as much as KG affects DRtg. Griffin's also a stud and better than our best player.

Should also be said that we were closer to winning it last year than people realize and that our start to the season probably doesn't accurately reflect what we would've been with Rondo in the playoffs this season.

[AKFO]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

I'd still love to run it back. Go get Gortat and/or Millsap and let's go to work.

[Marvel]

Clippers are a joke.

Hey, guess what their plan B is? Lionel Hollins.

[AKFO]

Clippers are a joke.

Hey, guess what their plan B is? Lionel Hollins.

Lionel and Doc do look a bit alike. Maybe they can sell it

[Edug27]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

CP3's a legitimate MVP candidate and affects ORtg as much as KG affects DRtg. Griffin's also a stud and better than our best player.

Should also be said that we were closer to winning it last year than people realize and that our start to the season probably doesn't accurately reflect what we would've been with Rondo in the playoffs this season.

I don't know about Griffin being better than a healthy Rondo. Rondo can single handily win you games in the playoffs .... Rondo can dominate a game in all areas, much like Lebron does. Griffin is not that kind of player.

[Marvel]

Did the Clippers know that they would be getting Pierce in a roundabout way through this deal?

I can't believe they would turn down KG, Terry/Lee, opportunity to have Pierce, Doc for DJ and 2 1st rounders.

[calamity]

was doc intending get a good asst coach in this endeavor? his track record proves he does best with a great asst coach, but if they were willing to pay him the same rate I doubt it. The main difference for Doc in coaching the Celtics or Clippers is that one will be actively rebuilding while the other will be pretending to contend is what looks like a short 1 year window granted if KG is mostly healthy during the season.

[jfs1000d]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

CP3 is better than Rondo, a better scorer, and Blake is an All-Star PF who can rebound and finish. If we had Cp3s scoring this year and Blake scoring and rebounding instead of Avery Bradley and Bass, we probably end up in finals.

Let's not underestimate Griffin now.

[chrisab123]

Hmm well if we keep Doc...and CP3 really wants to play with Doc and KG...Rondo isn't that expensive...I think you can appreciate where I'm going with this

If Paul wants to leave and the Clippers know they are going to lose him...might not be an awful move.

[calamity]

Also, how is CP/Pierce/Blake/KG a contender, when Rondo/Pierce/Green/KG isn't?

Good point. I'd give the Clippers the edge, no question about it in my mind... but when you think about it the difference is not that big.

CP3 is better than Rondo, a better scorer, and Blake is an All-Star PF who can rebound and finish. If we had Cp3s scoring this year and Blake scoring and rebounding instead of Avery Bradley and Bass, we probably end up in finals.

Let's not underestimate Griffin now.

yet the team has been mediocre in the postseason besides that. if they think doc is the answer then I wish the best to them.