Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[165bows]

I don't think the Clippers really wanted KG, they wanted to hire Doc as their coach and I think they wanted to poison the pool and they were successful. They got Ainge dreaming of draft picks and cap solutions and now he has pimped his coach out on the market and now they have to have the sit down. Ainge is going to have to decide if he just wants let Doc out of his deal so that ownership can save the 21 mil or if he is going to try and force the marriage to continue after trying to essentially sell his wife for having a wandering eye. However it ends it is going to end badly.

I think there is a chance Ainge got played and the Clippers will end up with Doc for nothing.

That would be the weirdest part to me. Garnett is just a better player all around than Jordan, and a better fit. IMO he could lose a lot over the course of the next two years, and still be better than what Jordan is. Not sure how that stance would make sense for them.

[sully00]

I don't think the Clippers really wanted KG, they wanted to hire Doc as their coach and I think they wanted to poison the pool and they were successful. They got Ainge dreaming of draft picks and cap solutions and now he has pimped his coach out on the market and now they have to have the sit down. Ainge is going to have to decide if he just wants let Doc out of his deal so that ownership can save the 21 mil or if he is going to try and force the marriage to continue after trying to essentially sell his wife for having a wandering eye. However it ends it is going to end badly.

I think there is a chance Ainge got played and the Clippers will end up with Doc for nothing.

Zero chance.

Okay so Doc is going to coach this team next year then and Ainge is going to risk 21 mil of his bos's money that this thing won't be off the rails by the end of Nov. Doc is not going to walk away from the money if they are not going to let him coach somewhere else and they will end up firing him by Jan owing him the full 21 mil.

Unless Ainge relents and brings back Pierce and KG then this thing is just destined to fail.

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge won't let Doc Rivers go for nothing.

[sully00]

Ainge won't let Doc Rivers go for nothing.

You have to think this through. Celtics ownership owes Doc 21 mil right now, if you let him coach this team and he coaches to be fired how are you better off? I get tanking for a lottery pick but at some point reality is going to set in. How many millions of dollars is it worth to prove a point that nobody cares about.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I don't think the Clippers really wanted KG, they wanted to hire Doc as their coach and I think they wanted to poison the pool and they were successful. They got Ainge dreaming of draft picks and cap solutions and now he has pimped his coach out on the market and now they have to have the sit down. Ainge is going to have to decide if he just wants let Doc out of his deal so that ownership can save the 21 mil or if he is going to try and force the marriage to continue after trying to essentially sell his wife for having a wandering eye. However it ends it is going to end badly.

I think there is a chance Ainge got played and the Clippers will end up with Doc for nothing.

You're underestimating the stupidity of Sterling.

[Berkcelt]

If Ainge brings Doc back, where is KG going? Ainge doesn't have to give in. No one is going to have sympathy for Doc when he's making $7m. Doc is the guy who is going to have to deal with the backlash.

[sully00]

If Ainge brings Doc back, where is KG going? Ainge doesn't have to give in. No one is going to have sympathy for Doc when he's making $7m. Doc is the guy who is going to have to deal with the backlash.

Right you now have a 21 mil coach that doesn't want to be here and is likely ineffective coaching a bad team.

[leper-con]

Its an easy fix. You cancel his contract and let him out so that he can move on except to coach the Clippers this year. He can coach anywhere else just not in LA.

[Berkcelt]

Well if KG is here, how bad are we going to be? Is Doc really going to dog it to try to get fired? Hey whatever, if we're tanking it doesn't matter much. I think the ownership paying him $7m/per is overrated too. They gave him the contract knowing rebuilding was coming. And they don't plan on being in the lottery many years. Seems like KG and Doc want their cake ($$$$) and to eat it, too (play on a contender). I don't blame them one bit for that, but Danny's has to make the team better. Given their history I think he'll accomodate them as much as he can, but he doesn't have to give them everything because they don't want to. If Doc can't be professional about this, it's going to come down on him.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Ainge brings Doc back, where is KG going? Ainge doesn't have to give in. No one is going to have sympathy for Doc when he's making $7m. Doc is the guy who is going to have to deal with the backlash.

Right you now have a 21 mil coach that doesn't want to be here and is likely ineffective coaching a bad team.

So you really think a "class act" like Doc is going to mail it in? Even if he does, it won't really matter. It'll help with the rebuilding. More losses = more ping pong balls.

[Banks2Pierce]

I definitely see the angle people are getting at with Doc half-assing the coaching to force Danny's hand, but I just don't think Doc has the personality that would allow him to do that. I think we're more likely to see him go to TNT and then some team will be desperate before January and give up the draft pick compensation to sign him.

[165bows]

I don't think the Clippers really wanted KG, they wanted to hire Doc as their coach and I think they wanted to poison the pool and they were successful. They got Ainge dreaming of draft picks and cap solutions and now he has pimped his coach out on the market and now they have to have the sit down. Ainge is going to have to decide if he just wants let Doc out of his deal so that ownership can save the 21 mil or if he is going to try and force the marriage to continue after trying to essentially sell his wife for having a wandering eye. However it ends it is going to end badly.

I think there is a chance Ainge got played and the Clippers will end up with Doc for nothing.

Zero chance.

Okay so Doc is going to coach this team next year then and Ainge is going to risk 21 mil of his bos's money that this thing won't be off the rails by the end of Nov. Doc is not going to walk away from the money if they are not going to let him coach somewhere else and they will end up firing him by Jan owing him the full 21 mil.

Unless Ainge relents and brings back Pierce and KG then this thing is just destined to fail.

This is a bit dramatic, no? I mean, all parties knew this was coming, this year or next. Doc is now going to pout like this is a surprising situation this year?

[sully00]

This is the problem with Ainge's play, which was fine in the short term as long as you got the compensation. Now he has basically said sorry Doc we own you if you want to coach you coach for us. So he is forcing Doc to coach the team instead of taking the broadcasting for a year route unless they come to some agreement where Boston pays him for this year for him to sit it out and then he is free to do what he wants.

I get the tank thing but it is for 3 more years or at least 21 mil. It isn't an issue of class it is the fact of how do you fake it? If your heart isn't in it then his players will know it.

Hopefully the reality that he can't coach Paul and KG anywhere will set in and his heart will be in it but damn this is the makings of a disaster.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don't know if the Clippers did this on purpose, but I agree they've definitely driven a wedge between Doc and the front office.. Then again, what if we release Doc, LA inks him, and he says to management that he wants his guys in Pierce and KG? Could loosen up the Clippers' purse-strings for a trade..

Given Doc's media friendliness, I wonder if he's tempted by the LA lifestyle himself..

[rick32621]

Doc Rivers is the guy who told the Clippers not to include Eric Bledsoe in the trade because he wanted to coach him. Where were his loyalties there?

[Waider]

Probably already been mentioned but I hope Ainge gets on the phone to Morey to help him however he can in getting both Howard & Paul. F**k the Clippers, let's make sure they really lose out here. I hope ddb's Pierce for Asik/Robinson trade comes to fruition - not that I want to see Pierce go but it seems too late to walk away from his intention of blowing it up.

[return2glory]

Doc Rivers is the guy who told the Clippers not to include Eric Bledsoe in the trade because he wanted to coach him. Where were his loyalties there?

I'm not defending Doc or Danny. But you ask where was Doc's loyalty? Maybe he learned his loyalty for Danny. Ainge tried to tried Rondo, Pierce and Ray Allen several times. When you are trying to trade one of the best players in Celtics history that has given you everything, where is the loyalty there. The NBA is a business and loyalty is hardly a factor.

[rickrolled]

I'm happy it fell through.

Rather KG,Doc walk for nothing then basically getting Nothing, what are two (and it's a stretch) late picks worth. And the Clippers only would give up ONE !

Like this year's one AND 13 million the next two years for Jordan.

Next year KG has 6 million on the cap if bought out.

Save 21 million by letting Doc walk.

Don't see what's wrong with that ????

PP could net us the 13th pick from Dallas in this years draft, plus Vince and Marions expirings. But that is a crappy deal because they make 12.5 Mill PLUS the 15% TK for Marion and 10% TK for VC ! That amounts to a total of 14.2 MILL!!

Plus the 13th pick is worth 1,98 MILL ! That is MORE than Pierce makes, don't see the benefit of this ?!

Or some ideas that we get Asik and Robinson, I personally am not thrilled to get Pieces that make us win games, if we're going to tank or suck we need to either a) suck with PP being on the team or b) getting absolutely nothing by letting him walk.

I prefer him staying. Cause we arent winning **** with/without Paul and/or KG.

If KG stays and PP for that matter.

We have other options:

Just GIVE UP on getting anything for our ageing stars, ok ? Stop shopping them Ainge just let us ride this thing out please.

Try to take out Lee, he alone get's us under the apron. If they want to fully get under the luxury tax line then dump Crawford and/or Melo.

That's it!

Oh and forget Wiggins he aint coming to the Celtics !!!

[irie]

This deal dying makes me think it's just as likely the Celtics roll out the same team next year to appease KG, Doc, and Pierce.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Not worth creating a new topic but per the WT

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... -Wednesday

Doc Rivers and Danny Ainge will meet on Wednesday to discuss the best way to move forward following the end of trade talks between the Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Clippers.Rivers was nearly allowed to coach the Clippers in a deal that would have involved Kevin Garnett.

Pains me to say this but this team is in shambles right now. The have two elderly NBA players in KG and PP and I am not sure they know what to do with them. They have overpriced players in Lee and Terry that Ainge cannot unload fast enough and they have a coach who wants out of his contract 3 years early.

I know what Ainge was trying to do here and while I am not going to say its an embarrassment to try to use your coach as a trading chip and makes you raise an eyebrow as to what kind of shape this team is in right now.