Celtics and Clippers Deal #2 UPDATE DEAD, DEAD, DEAD

[Red2]

yes, we are a hot mess right now but nothing ventured nothing gained. Any one who does a lot of negotiating for their job knows that sometimes you have to walk away no matter how much you want to make a deal. I've never met Donald Sterling and don't know much about him other than he's cheap and he tries to low ball everyone so what happened here is not a surprise. I suppose if Doc and KG walk and we get nothing then we may regret not getting something but even if that happens we've gotten rid of KG's salary ( and Doc's) and we haven't taken on a potentially bad salary. I think Jordan would have been fine. Maybe he's overpaid but so are a lot of guys. he's a poor free throw shooter- that much we know- and I suspect he's not much of an offensive threat. But he would have filled other needs for us such as rebounding and size down low. It doesn't matter now because that ship has sailed. Time to look forward to the draft. whatever happens to this team is going to happen and that's my philisophy right now. I'm not going to cry over this deal. It's didn't happen; time to move on.

[ryaningf]

This is the problem with Ainge's play, which was fine in the short term as long as you got the compensation. Now he has basically said sorry Doc we own you if you want to coach you coach for us. So he is forcing Doc to coach the team instead of taking the broadcasting for a year route unless they come to some agreement where Boston pays him for this year for him to sit it out and then he is free to do what he wants.

I get the tank thing but it is for 3 more years or at least 21 mil. It isn't an issue of class it is the fact of how do you fake it? If your heart isn't in it then his players will know it.

Hopefully the reality that he can't coach Paul and KG anywhere will set in and his heart will be in it but damn this is the makings of a disaster.

First, I think it's unfathomable that Doc would mail anything in. He may be a lot of things, but I can't see him sulking his way out of town.

Second, Doc's endgame has always been taking the Paul/KG car out for one last joyride into the sunset. He tried leaking his unrest to the media in the hopes the Ainge would just run it back, Ainge wouldn't budge. He tried colluding his way to Clipperland, but Donald Sterling got cheap and Ainge wouldn't be cornered without a fight. After the fallout of those two things, and with the entire league watching it go down, Ainge and Doc are now going to try to make amends. People say it can't work, but Ainge and Doc have been COLLABORATING on this the entire time. They still have the makings of a successful working relationship.

I think the dream of giving Paul and KG one last run at a title is still breathing. Doc is stuck here. KG obviously still wants to play. The last domino is Pierce. Given that these Doc to LA negotiations were so public, I think the buzzards are now circling this team, and Ainge is going to be getting nothing but lowball offers for Paul Pierce (if he wasn't already) and he's not going to be able to find a fair trade before the ETO vests on June 30th.

I called Doc Machiavellian a couple weeks back when all these rumors started to surface, but I thought his posturing was only for appearances and that he'd never be able to get Ainge to run it back. While Doc may have backed into it, he's potentially created a set of circumstances where running it back for one more year might be Ainge's best move.

As it stands now, I wouldn't be surprised if Ainge kept Paul, made some moves on the periphery to get under the apron, and took his chances with basically the same squad he had last year. I know people say this team has no chance at a championship as constructed (hell, Ainge said that), but I don't see much difference in terms of probability of winning between the team we fielded on Nov. 1st 2012, and the one we could have on July 1st, 2013. Both teams have a 1-2% punchers chance and given all that's transpired the last week that might be the best play going forward.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Can we lock this thread now? that's a wrap boys. nothing to see here.

[Justin33]

Can we lock this thread now? that's a wrap boys. nothing to see here.

When LAC hires a coach

[tfmiii]

Well if Doc is coming back, I imagine this meeting will be a chance for him and Danny to get on the same page regarding the team. I am sure Danny would like to see:

a new offensive scheme,
some rebounding and
an emphasis on player development.

Just having everyone run back on defense may be fine against some teams, but other teams can be hurt on the offensive boards. Would be nice to actually have a plan to get some.

Doc's rotation was never set last year. He openly campaigned for Lee - and it cost us - and then yanked him back and forth. Same with Terry. Doc needs to come up with a plan to help his current roster succeed, not just try and plug the new acquisitions into the holes of his old plan.

If he is not ready to do this, sayonara. It may be sayonara anyway at this point.

[Fahrenhait]

We should only do this if they include Bledsoe, forget Jordan.

[sam_I_am]

The Celtics and Doc will come to some sort of buyout agreement where they retain his rights for a year in exchange for 5 million or so. That way when team signs coach like Vinny Del Negro to 3 year 5 million dollar deal they still save 10-11 million and still have option of demanding a pick.

If San Antonio somehow recovers from choking and wins game 7, I would expect a Doc to Miami for this year's first round pick. That is a no brainer.

[GreenMachine]

The Celtics and Doc will come to some sort of buyout agreement where they retain his rights for a year in exchange for 5 million or so. That way when team signs coach like Vinny Del Negro to 3 year 5 million dollar deal they still save 10-11 million and still have option of demanding a pick.

If San Antonio somehow recovers from choking and wins game 7, I would expect a Doc to Miami for this year's first round pick. That is a no brainer.

Except that Spo is a really good coach. No chance. Better chance that SA wins, Duncan retires, Pop follows him and SA tries to hire Doc. Doubt that happens too, but more likely then Spo getting fired.

Doc will be coaching LAC next year.

[tombattor]

The Celtics and Doc will come to some sort of buyout agreement where they retain his rights for a year in exchange for 5 million or so. That way when team signs coach like Vinny Del Negro to 3 year 5 million dollar deal they still save 10-11 million and still have option of demanding a pick.

If San Antonio somehow recovers from choking and wins game 7, I would expect a Doc to Miami for this year's first round pick. That is a no brainer.

I doubt it. Spoelstra will be the coach of the Heat. They have a good thing going, why break that up? It's not like Doc has such a better track record.

Besides, Doc is a pro. If he decides to stay, he'll do his best, just as he's always done. You're acting as if Doc is some little kid who can't concentrate on his job if his feelings are a little hurt. He'll get over it. He'll coach the Celtics because it's still a good gig. He's getting paid a lot. He tried to use his leverage to keep the team together another year and Danny was doing what he had to. No hard feelings.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I supsect they still get a deal done. Just have to wait for Sterling to quit pouting.

[15th overall]

The Celtics and Doc will come to some sort of buyout agreement where they retain his rights for a year in exchange for 5 million or so. That way when team signs coach like Vinny Del Negro to 3 year 5 million dollar deal they still save 10-11 million and still have option of demanding a pick.

If San Antonio somehow recovers from choking and wins game 7, I would expect a Doc to Miami for this year's first round pick. That is a no brainer.

Having Spo succeed is a serious ego fap for Riley.. he "discovered" him after all. No chance he gives that up.

[rick32621]

Doc Rivers is the guy who told the Clippers not to include Eric Bledsoe in the trade because he wanted to coach him. Where were his loyalties there?

I'm not defending Doc or Danny. But you ask where was Doc's loyalty? Maybe he learned his loyalty for Danny. Ainge tried to tried Rondo, Pierce and Ray Allen several times. When you are trying to trade one of the best players in Celtics history that has given you everything, where is the loyalty there. The NBA is a business and loyalty is hardly a factor.

Well, if there's no loyalty between Doc and Danny with each other, what type of GM-coaching relationship can go on from there? I can understand Ainge trying to trade Rondo, Pierce, and Ray Allen several times if it is going to ultimately benefit the Celtics. Ainge's loyalty also has to be with the organization that hired him. But for Doc Rivers to tell the Clippers not to trade Eric Bledsoe for him shows that his loyalty is already with the Clippers.

Maybe he keeps his mouth shut and lets the organizations work it out. He hopes it's win-win for both the Clippers and Celtics. By injecting himself into it, he's showing a clear bias for his potentially new team over the one that he spent nearly a decade with.

[jfs1000d]

Doc and ainge will be fine. The trust is not broken. Ainge will ask if he is committed to the celtics. Doc says yes, he is the coach.

These are 2 pros at work here.

[Queequeg]

I'm happy it fell through.

Rather KG,Doc walk for nothing then basically getting Nothing, what are two (and it's a stretch) late picks worth. And the Clippers only would give up ONE !

Like this year's one AND 13 million the next two years for Jordan.

Next year KG has 6 million on the cap if bought out.

Save 21 million by letting Doc walk.

Don't see what's wrong with that ????

PP could net us the 13th pick from Dallas in this years draft, plus Vince and Marions expirings. But that is a crappy deal because they make 12.5 Mill PLUS the 15% TK for Marion and 10% TK for VC ! That amounts to a total of 14.2 MILL!!

Plus the 13th pick is worth 1,98 MILL ! That is MORE than Pierce makes, don't see the benefit of this ?!

Or some ideas that we get Asik and Robinson, I personally am not thrilled to get Pieces that make us win games, if we're going to tank or suck we need to either a) suck with PP being on the team or b) getting absolutely nothing by letting him walk.

I prefer him staying. Cause we arent winning **** with/without Paul and/or KG.

If KG stays and PP for that matter.

We have other options:

Just GIVE UP on getting anything for our ageing stars, ok ? Stop shopping them Ainge just let us ride this thing out please.

Try to take out Lee, he alone get's us under the apron. If they want to fully get under the luxury tax line then dump Crawford and/or Melo.

That's it!

Oh and forget Wiggins he aint coming to the Celtics !!!

Great points

And your sig is what my brother and I used to call Doc when he was on the Knicks. Awesome. Do you know how I can use it too, I'm new to this stuff.

[rickrolled]

I'm happy it fell through.

Rather KG,Doc walk for nothing then basically getting Nothing, what are two (and it's a stretch) late picks worth. And the Clippers only would give up ONE !

Like this year's one AND 13 million the next two years for Jordan.

Next year KG has 6 million on the cap if bought out.

Save 21 million by letting Doc walk.

Don't see what's wrong with that ????

PP could net us the 13th pick from Dallas in this years draft, plus Vince and Marions expirings. But that is a crappy deal because they make 12.5 Mill PLUS the 15% TK for Marion and 10% TK for VC ! That amounts to a total of 14.2 MILL!!

Plus the 13th pick is worth 1,98 MILL ! That is MORE than Pierce makes, don't see the benefit of this ?!

Or some ideas that we get Asik and Robinson, I personally am not thrilled to get Pieces that make us win games, if we're going to tank or suck we need to either a) suck with PP being on the team or b) getting absolutely nothing by letting him walk.

I prefer him staying. Cause we arent winning **** with/without Paul and/or KG.

If KG stays and PP for that matter.

We have other options:

Just GIVE UP on getting anything for our ageing stars, ok ? Stop shopping them Ainge just let us ride this thing out please.

Try to take out Lee, he alone get's us under the apron. If they want to fully get under the luxury tax line then dump Crawford and/or Melo.

That's it!

Oh and forget Wiggins he aint coming to the Celtics !!!

Great points

And your sig is what my brother and I used to call Doc when he was on the Knicks. Awesome. Do you know how I can use it too, I'm new to this stuff.

Hi

Just go to the tab that says (user control panel) it is below the wiretap When logged on.

Then go to profile

Then Edit signature

Now you copy paste the image and insert it between img tabs.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Well, apparently, the deal isn't dead after all. Surprise surprise!.....not really.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/status/347372609568124928[/tweet]

[KGboss]

posture posture posture. all day long.

weve lived through enough lockouts to know negotiation posturing when we see it. haha.

[pac213up]

Well, apparently, the deal isn't dead after all. Surprise surprise!.....not really.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/status/347372609568124928[/tweet]

Not really buying it.

[zronv7]

Clippers coming back, shocker.

[SuperDeluxe]

Well, apparently, the deal isn't dead after all. Surprise surprise!.....not really.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarkHeisler/status/347372609568124928[/tweet]

I highly doubt that they'll wait that much. There's three other coaching candidates that won't sit and wait until the Celtics and the Clippers get something done. Plus, if there's a chance Doc moves to LA, the Celtics might want to attack the free-agent coach market sooner rather than later.