Not a fan of Chris Paul

Clip34life · Post #1 » by **Clip34life** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:40 pm

He's forcing the organization's hand with this KG/Rivers trade and he's probably creating bad blood between him and Griffin by campaigning so hard to ship out Deandre. The guy is the definition of a Napoleon complex. I don't know any other superstar in the league that has this kind of say. I feel like it's because this organization is so sycophantic that it kowtows to whatever Paul wants. Hopefully once he re-signs they stop listening to what he has to say.

mttwlsn16 · Post #2 » by **mttwlsn16** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:45 pm

I [HEAVY BLACK HEART] Chris Paul

Clip34life · Post #3 » by **Clip34life** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:49 pm

mttwlsn16 wrote:I [HEAVY BLACK HEART] Chris Paul

Don't understand is this hate or love?

RiversideClips · Post #4 » by **RiversideClips** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:58 pm

I posted last week that I thought the Clipper Organization is wrong to make it CP3's team over Blake. Doc Rivers is an okay coach, not great; if he was so GREAT he would have won multiple Rings in Orlando & Boston. I think Doc is a DICK, he treated Big Baby & Rondo so poorly b/c they weren't "the boys!"
Anyone go to a Clipper game when Big Baby is visiting? This guy is the 1st one on the floor doing drills, working hard & the last one to leave & all he got from Doc was crap.
KG & Pierce, yeah I want them on my team......... in 1999 I wanted them!
So CP3 if you don't get your boys will you walk away? Been a Season ticket b4 you showed up & I will be a Season Ticket Holder after you retire, I want a TEAM, not a DICKtator.

Quake Griffin · Post #5 » by **Quake Griffin** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:02 pm

help me understand ur logic.

- a month ago our organization swears off of Dwight Howard.
- we re-enter negotiations with Boston for this deal, giving us a center and no need for Dwight.
- Rumors come out that CP wants Dwight
- We continue to try and make this deal for Garnett and Doc

and somehow from this...you surmise that Chris is forcing the team's hand in making this deal?

Jerry Krause traded Charles Oakley from the Bulls in 1985 (86????)
him and Michael Jordan are still thick as thieves.

LACtdom · Post #6 » by **LACtdom** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:03 pm

Every Clipper fan has their own opinion on what we need to do this offseason to become a contender. I have my own views on the moves we should make (which differ from CP3) however I have enough faith in CP3 that he KNOWS what players he needs around him to make us a better team. Basically, at the end of the day Chris Paul probably knows better than most of us what we need.

Ranma · Post #7 » by **Ranma** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:05 pm

If CP3 doesn't want to be seen as a player who's pulling the organization's strings, then maybe he shouldn't be dictating the terms, especially when we're in a position of strength given the leverage we possessed. Nudging in terms of giving your preference is one thing, but even that is a little questionable given the timing. Dude should have more faith in the front office under Sacks' direction.

I'm okay with this if he's just saying we go ahead with the KG-for-DJ deal right now without Doc Rivers, but if he's asking us to cave into the Celtics' demand for the compensation on Rivers, I'm going to be livid. The price is too high and his interference in the negotiations sets a bad precedent and hamstrings our front office in future dealings.

mttwlsn16 · Post #8 » by **mttwlsn16** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Clip34life wrote:
mttwlsn16 wrote:I [HEAVY BLACK HEART] Chris Paul

Don't understand is this hate or love?

Love. It was a heart emoji but for some reason that's how it showed up from my phone on the realgm ap

Clip34life · Post #9 » by **Clip34life** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:39 pm

LACtdom wrote:Every Clipper fan has their own opinion on what we need to do this offseason to become a contender. I have my own views on the moves we should make (which differ from CP3) however I have enough faith in CP3 that he KNOWS what players he needs around him to make us a better team. Basically, at the end of the day Chris Paul probably knows better than most of us what we need.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm pretty sure we only signed Chauncey (for 4 million at that) because of Paul. Paul's desire for Chauncey made us re-sign Billups and at a price point I doubt he would've gotten anywhere else. I will give Paul credit for Barnes though. Green is neither here nor there. I also think that it was Paul (at least this is what report say) who initiated trade talks via KG last season, thereby probably souring his relationship with the Clippers involved, i.e. Deandre. I'm not sure who wanted us to get Odom but if it was Paul then that was also terrible. Further, reports are out that Paul is the one pressuring the Clippers to go back to the table. If it's the Clippers who make the first move then they lose the leverage and will have to give up more assets, which hurts the team.

I'm all for a player using leverage to pressure the team to make constructive moves, but it's a fine line between a good move and a bad; I feel that Paul is crossing and has crossed that line in the past. Kevin Arnovitz has written a few pieces over the last year that strongly indicate that Paul is pulling a lot of the strings in terms of trades or at least has substantial influence on the process. His track record is mixed at best...

Clip34life · Post #10 » by **Clip34life** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:39 pm

Ranma wrote:If CP3 doesn't want to be seen as a player who's pulling the organization's strings, then maybe he shouldn't be dictating the terms, especially when we're in a position of strength given the leverage we possessed. Nudging in terms of giving your preference is one thing, but even that is a little questionable given the timing. Dude should have more faith in the front office under Sacks' direction.

I'm okay with this if he's just saying we go ahead with the KG-for-DJ deal right now without Doc Rivers, but if he's asking us to cave into the Celtics' demand for the compensation on Rivers, I'm going to be livid. The price is too high and his interference in the negotiations sets a bad precedent and hamstrings our front office in future dealings.

D'accord mon homme.

Clip34life · Post #11 » by **Clip34life** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:41 pm

I also want to just say that there have been NO reports on Blake Griffin ever trying to pull any of this or forcing the organization's hand. You could argue that perhaps Paul is just savvier than Griffin and uses his leverage appropriately but I really like Griffin as a player and as a person. For me, even if he is not the best player on the team, he is the face of the franchise.

mike3 · Post #12 » by **mike3** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:42 am

I actually kinda agree with some of these points, if CP is pulling the strings this much I don't really like it.. if Clips called off the deal and CP is gonna make them re-think then I question CP3's attitude, let the organisation run the organisation, not the star player.

I also agree with clip34life I've always seen Blake as the face of the franchise. A face of the franchise has got to be the one you know is with us for the long run, aka not CP, as it's so unclear what's going to happen. Blake's changed this franchise, he should still be the face. He doesn't have a superstar ego and you can tell he's a good guy.

More and more these talks go on, the more I get the feeling it's the wrong move.
I feel with the right coach (especially if Shaw is defensive minded) DJ could worth sticking with this long.

Right now, in my opinion, I hope CP doesn't force the team to do this trade if the TEAM isn't sure of it. I'd much rather hire Shaw and see if Boston are that desperate for the deal to push it again for something less from us. Point is, where in the drivers seat, CP shouldn't be taking that leverage away from us. And I'm gonna be annoyed if he does.

Clip34life · Post #13 » by **Clip34life** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:16 am

mike3 wrote:I actually kinda agree with some of these points, if CP is pulling the strings this much I don't really like it.. if Clips called off the deal and CP is gonna make them re-think then I question CP3's attitude, let the organisation run the organisation, not the star player.

I also agree with clip34life I've always seen Blake as the face of the franchise. A face of the franchise has got to be the one you know is with us for the long run, aka not CP, as it's so unclear what's going to happen. Blake's changed this franchise, he should still be the face. He doesn't have a superstar ego and you can tell he's a good guy.

More and more these talks go on, the more I get the feeling it's the wrong move.
I feel with the right coach (especially if Shaw is defensive minded) DJ could worth sticking with this long.

Right now, in my opinion, I hope CP doesn't force the team to do this trade if the TEAM isn't sure of it. I'd much rather hire Shaw and see if Boston are that desperate for the deal to push it again for something less from us. Point is, where in the drivers seat, CP shouldn't be taking that leverage away from us. And I'm gonna be annoyed if he does.

If CP3 wasn't so good I would happily see him leave this team tbh. Unfortunately, he is really good and Blake has yet to show he is a superstar in this league. Would love to see Blake prove all the doubters wrong this upcoming season though. He needs to take the leap.

mike3 · Post #14 » by **mike3** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:44 am

I might upset some people in saying this but honestly, if CP3 left and it went back to being 'Blake's team'.. I wouldn't be all that mad.

Strictly from a Griffin fan's point and not so much the team success.. cause obviously we've gotta a better chance at being contenders with CP here.

Clip34life · Post #15 » by **Clip34life** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:08 am

mike3 wrote:I might upset some people in saying this but honestly, if CP3 left and it went back to being 'Blake's team'.. I wouldn't be all that mad.

Strictly from a Griffin fan's point and not so much the team success.. cause obviously we've gotta a better chance at being contenders with CP here.

I mean if there was a way to trade CP3 w/o taking a huge step backwards I would be all for it. Perhaps Paul for Westbrook?

mike3 · Post #16 » by **mike3** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:56 am

Clip34life wrote:
mike3 wrote:I might upset some people in saying this but honestly, if CP3 left and it went back to being 'Blake's team'.. I wouldn't be all that mad.

Strictly from a Griffin fan's point and not so much the team success.. cause obviously we've gotta a better chance at being contenders with CP here.

I mean if there was a way to trade CP3 w/o taking a huge step backwards I would be all for it. Perhaps Paul for Westbrook?

It's always hard to talk superstar for superstar trades, who's worth who, could work though.

I've never thought of Paul as a superstar who's attitude could affect the whole franchise but it seems like where just doing everything as a franchise to try and please Paul, if it's true.. and that's a big point. If its TRUE then I'll say this.. if its that hard to please CP with the direction of the franchise, him basically pulling the strings, then does he really want to be here? if he's trying to make all these moves for the team.

Clip34life · Post #17 » by **Clip34life** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:44 am

I'll say this much, I never felt that Paul had any loyalty at all to the Clippers. Not to say that he should necessarily but he definitely doesn't.

Quake Griffin · Post #18 » by **Quake Griffin** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:19 am

what if Paul is 100% committed to being with this franchise and is urging the FO to make moves in their best interest....what if these aren't ultimatums.

who srsly gives a damn if a player that we have under contract for the next 5 year is going to miss his best friend?

mike3 · Post #19 » by **mike3** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:17 am

Quake Griffin wrote:what if Paul is 100% committed to being with this franchise and is urging the FO to make moves in their best interest....what if these aren't ultimatums.

who srsly gives a damn if a player that we have under contract for the next 5 year is going to miss his best friend?

I don't give a damn as a fan wanting to see his team win
but as a sport fan in general, one who plays a lot of basketball, nothing like seeing guys that genuinely enjoy playing together out there having fun, in my opinion

Post #20 » by **mkwest** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:30 am

I wouldn't be much of a fan of his if he were to leave.

Right now, the franchise has to appease him until he inks to a long-term deal. One thing to think about is that his agent is Leon Rose, who is also the agent of Carmelo and who was LeBron's agent in 2010. They got what they wanted when it was time for a new contract, so it's not going to be any different with Paul. The only reason that we have Paul right now is because Leon Rose was impressed with our pitch to LeBron in 2010 that everyone laughed at.

It's good to have a player put a little pressure on the organization to improve the personnel. Although, not to the point of being the quasi-GM. The reports are saying that this deal was necessary for him to stay, but I still don't think that he would leave even if the deal for Doc were not to be completed. He has money, market, weather and influence within some (or a lot) of the decision making here. He would be making multiple sacrifices in those areas if he were to leave.