The 2013 Trade Thread II

[BigSlam]

Cousins wants max extension or trade:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... From-Kings

I feel like Bobcats are the best match. Oodles of draft picks, young talent, cap space and the right coaching in place with Ewing and Clifford.

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

[James Gatz]

Cousins wants max extension or trade:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... From-Kings

I feel like Bobcats are the best match. Oodles of draft picks, young talent, cap space and the right coaching in place with Ewing and Clifford.

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

His max deal wouldn't be near the same level of money that those guys get. It's a 1st contract max.

He'd be making about James Harden gets now:

2013-2014 13,668,750 - - 13,668,750
2014-2015 14,693,906 - - 14,693,906
2015-2016 15,719,062 - - 15,719,062
2016-2017 16,744,218 - - 16,744,218
2017-2018 17,769,374

If some of us wanted to give Pek 12 a year then Cousins for a couple mil more is worth it.

[BigSlam]

Cousins wants max extension or trade:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... From-Kings

I feel like Bobcats are the best match. Oodles of draft picks, young talent, cap space and the right coaching in place with Ewing and Clifford.

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

His max deal wouldn't be near the same level of money that those guys get. It's a 1st contract max.

He'd be making about James Harden gets now:

2013-2014 13,668,750 - - 13,668,750
2014-2015 14,693,906 - - 14,693,906
2015-2016 15,719,062 - - 15,719,062
2016-2017 16,744,218 - - 16,744,218
2017-2018 17,769,374

If some of us wanted to give Pek 12 a year then Cousins for a couple mil more is worth it.

What has he done to earn that sort of coin?

He's a 6'11" heap of a man with great post skills and strength who likes himself more as a face up big and who averages sub 45% shooting from the field.

He's a headcase and wherever he goes a circus seems to follow.

He's got a horrible attitude, is a bad team mate and can be negatively explosive.

Where in that does it scream "pay me 15 million dollars a year"?

[HornetJail]

Cousins wants max extension or trade:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... From-Kings

I feel like Bobcats are the best match. Oodles of draft picks, young talent, cap space and the right coaching in place with Ewing and Clifford.

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

[BigSlam]

Cousins wants max extension or trade:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... From-Kings

I feel like Bobcats are the best match. Oodles of draft picks, young talent, cap space and the right coaching in place with Ewing and Clifford.

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

[James Gatz]

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

Are you saying Hibbs and Lopez are bad contracts? Most would severely disagree.

[Liver_Pooty]

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

Are you saying Hibbs and Lopez are bad contracts? Most would severely disagree.

I want to see Hibbert play an entire season like he did in the series vs Miami. Then he will be worth the max.

[BigSlam]

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

Are you saying Hibbs and Lopez are bad contracts? Most would severely disagree.

You are kidding - both contracts, ESPECIALLY Hibberts, came under extremely heavy fire all season.

It was only when Hibbert played against the Heat and their small ball line up that he looked worth anything remotely close to what he is getting paid.

[James Gatz]

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

Are you saying Hibbs and Lopez are bad contracts? Most would severely disagree.

You are kidding - both contracts, ESPECIALLY Hibberts, came under extremely heavy fire all season.

It was only when Hibbert played against the Heat and their small ball line up that he looked worth anything remotely close to what he is getting paid.

For what they produce both are well worth the money.

[hhvo]

Cousins is so NOT a max player.

You honestly think he is on the level of a Kobe or a Durant or a LeBron?

no but he's almost with the likes of Lopez and Hibbert and will better than either this time next year. Both of them made max money this past year.

So because other teams made contract errors we should follow suit?

Aside from the character issue, Cousin is a Max player. Comparing him to the like of Kobe, Lebron, Durant is a stretch. Any team would be more then willing to pay $30M/per yr to Durant/Lebron if they're allow. Cousin's max would start at $13/14M and increase slightly. That's fair for a player that can contribute on the court like Cousin can. For a team like Charlotte, not a hot spot for FA, I would immediately sign Cousin if he hit the FA market.

I mean which other players would you sign to a max, that's willing to play in Charlotte?

[Liver_Pooty]

Cousins is a complete idiot. I'd never give him a max contract. He's an **** now let alone when he gets paid.

[BigSlam]

Cousins is a complete idiot. I'd never give him a max contract. He's an **** now let alone when he gets paid.

And don't forget, these guys are not just talking about giving him a max contract - they are suggesting trading for him so not only giving him a max contract but also giving up assets (young players, picks and expirings) to get him.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't think he's a max player when compared to players at other positions. But since center is such a thin position throughout the league, I'd overpay to have a distinct advantage where most other teams don't. His extra production over other centers is what makes the extra money worth it. It's like have a catcher in baseball who can hit as well as defend. He's a rare commodity and adds positional advantage. When you're talking about a team of 5 starters in the NBA instead of 9 hitters in a baseball lineup, each advantage at a given position in the NBA has exponentially more value and could really tilt the overall production of the team.

As stated earlier, Charlotte is the perfect match. We can't attract a star at any position let alone a position where opponents would be weaker. We have a boatload of draft picks, defense-minded coaches with good rapport with bigs (Ewing with Dwight who's attitude seems no picnic BTW), a good young core in place, a healthy culture with high character guys who have seniority over Cousins, and finally more cap space than we will ever be able to allocate because - free agents won't come here. Unless we're talking about lower tier guys at their respective positions like Millsap who have no potential to help vault this team to the next level, just enough skill to hoist us onto the treadmill. So if we're not going to be able to spend all this extra money coming up, it's going to just sit their and not translate into a better product on the floor.

[amcoolio]

He'd absolutely be a max player if he didn't have a cocaine mind

[Logander]

Cousins hated being at SAC, hes in the mindset he wants to play for a major market team. He would absolutely hate playing here. I hate to refer to something we all saw on our wall in kindergarten but it pertains to this situation. Attitude reflects Altitude. And hes got the worst attitude in the game, besides Artest maybe.

[MasterIchiro]

Who would you rather have? Cousins the bad boy or Mullens the Eagles Scout?

Detroit won a championship with a whole roster of bad boys, I'm talking dirty players like Bill Laimbeer who would elbow dudes in the eye socket when the refs weren't watching.

I think the attitude stuff is overblown. And sometimes I like my players with a little edge. The team chemistry firmly in place here is so positive he's not going to damage it, not with Ewing here.

[BigSlam]

Who would you rather have? Cousins the bad boy or Mullens the Eagles Scout?

One is going to cost you multiple 1st round picks, prospects,15 mil a year, is a bad team mate, is a head case and shoots sub 45% for his career.

The other cost you a 2nd round pick, 2 mill a year, seems to be a good team mate and is coachable.

[MasterIchiro]

You'd rather have Mullens over Cousins. I hope Charlotte doesn't build the team this way.

[BigSlam]

You'd rather have Mullens over Cousins. I hope Charlotte doesn't build the team this way.

You'd rather flash over substance and chemistry and mortgaging the teams future on a lazy, under performing nut job who is a horrible, horrible team mate.

I hope Charlotte doesn't build the team this way.

[MasterIchiro]

You'd rather have Mullens over Cousins. I hope Charlotte doesn't build the team this way.

You'd rather flash over substance and chemistry and mortgaging the teams future on a lazy, under performing nut job who is a horrible, horrible team mate.

I hope Charlotte doesn't build the team this way.

Only a handful of centers in the game are more productive than Cousins. So I would say that's substance there. He was also invited to play at Team USA minicamp. Substance. Double double machine. Substance.

As for him being a nutjob...doesn't change any of the above.

For anyone interested, here's a recent article published about Cousins by our own Charlotte Observer interestingly enough...

While mum on the Kings, Cousins was glad to discuss his camp, his offseason workouts and his invitation to the USA Basketball minicamp next month in Las Vegas.

There were 110 youngsters ages 7-15 at the camp held at Sacramento High School. Seventy of them were there without having to pay the $149 registration fee because Cousins didn't want to leave kids out who couldn't afford it.

Cousins already hosted a camp in Kentucky and said he used "spots that I'm based in," in determining where to hold camps.

"That's the reason I picked those spots," Cousins said. "Just gives the kids a chance to learn something about basketball. When I was a kid, I wish I could have had the opportunity to be at a camp with NBA players. So just to give back."

Cousins might be the tallest person in the gym, but that didn't stop him from getting down to the campers' level. So if that meant joining a dribbling drill or demonstrating a jump stop and pivot, he was all in.

"I'm still a kid myself," Cousins said. "Just coming here and being around all the kids is a lot of fun."

Cousins also is looking forward to participating in Team USA's minicamp July 22-25 in Las Vegas.

"It's a huge honor just to have a chance to play for the USA team," he said. "Just go in there, play hard and make my name there. That's all I'm trying to do."

Cousins said he has no issues with USA Basketball chairman Jerry Colangelo, who called the center immature last year when Cousins was part of the Team USA Select team that scrimmaged against Team USA before the London Olympics.

Cousins later sought out Colangelo to ask what he'd done that was immature.

"It's not going to bother me at all," Cousins said. "He gave me another chance to come in and prove myself."

Meanwhile, Cousins said his preparations for next season are going well.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/0 ... rylink=cpy