Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Ok sfam, you've been so steadfast in your support of Bennett.

I have to admit, as the draft is getting closer, I may be staring to 2nd guess. Bennett could be a star. Not to compare him to Lebron, but he could be that type of a matchup problem for teams.

I still say Porter, but I'm not sure. Bennett and Len both are intriguing to me.

[dcPress]

I have a suggestion: After trying the sort the wheat from the chaff for the last 400 pages of draft analysis, can we just have a thread that contains 1 post per user? Each user gets to make their case, and edit as the wind blows.

There's alot of expertise here, and it would be nice to have a Cliff Notes version. Plus someone (ahem) could lock the thread before the draft, for posterity's sake...

Something like:

Your top 5

Who wizzers should draft

Who wizzers shouldn't draft

Who they will draft...

Looks who's talking. You post like...oh wait, quarterly? Never mind.

He jointed in 2005...so that's like what...3 posts a year? Wow.

So? Writing a post is not a requirement for reading a post; otherwise you'd all be in trouble.

[hands11]

Not that I think its a big deal, but zero comments on white bread Len with a sister for gf ?

[gambitx777]

I just don't understand, why there are still people on the board who still want Noel........ It makes no sense. His play and weight alone would keep me from taking him, but if you toss in the red flags, how can you justify it. I mean we all saw that picture of his knee, it looks jacked beyond jacked. plus, all of his "people" acting like jack asses, taking him makes no sense. Let the bobcats take a shot on him, I do not want the risk. right now I would take Len and even Adams over noel.

A lot of ignorance here.

Google ACL surgery scar and ACL knee swelling and you basically get Noels photo. Noel is being overseen by Dr. Andrews, the absolute best in the business behind these surgeries, and Noels ACL tear was about as much of a freak of an incident as you see in sports.

The whole "people" acting like jackasses is a dumb thing to look at. He has no history of off the court issues and NBA agents are terrible people with egos that are too large to take serious about these kids they want to take advantage of.

He's already up to 218 from reports. He'll gain the weight and strength, I'm not concerned about that.

And his play in college was consistent with some of the top defenders to play the game at his height.

Ignorance is ignoring the red flags that just keep popping up.

You need to look at his, People. because he is blowing off meetings with agents, that unprofessional and disrespectful. If hes that unprofessional now how bad will it get later on.
And we can't really believe those reports because he was listed at over 220 at Kentucky and reports stated that he was never even close to 220 at Kentucky.
And his defense will not be as good at the next level. he will be facing stronger, faster, bigger, and more athletic competition. And his offence might never develop. His frame will not support much more weight. He is not worth the risk. I hope he goes number one so the wiz can be saved from a massive mistake.
it should be
Porter
Len
Bennet or oladipo.

Noel should not even be considered at 3

[Knighthonor]

Tier 1: Davis
Tier 2: Robinson, MGK, Beal , Barnes
Tier 3: Drummond, Lillard, Waiters
Tier 4: Henson, Jones III, Jones, Lamb, Leonard, Marshall, Rivers, Ross, Sullinger, Zeller
Tier 5: Harkless, Melo, Miller, Moultrie, Nicholson, Teague, White, Wroten
Tier 6: Aldemir, Barton, Cunninghram, Ezeli, Fournier, Green, Jenkins, Johnson, Lamb, Oquin, Plumlee, J. Taylor, T. Taylor, Papanikolaou

Widely accepted tier system on espn last year. Robinson was tier ahead of drummond and lillard. Most on the board last year agreed whole heartedly.

This year adams is the in the same position as Drummond. Don't make the same mistake that last year's teams made Washington. Adams should be ranked in tier two just like drummond should have been ranked at the top of tier two last year.

you got the same over hyped prospects like zeller taking the place of robinson. you got the good at everything great at nothing mkg and porter. You have got the slashing combo guard that is undersized in waiters. You got the soft big who hates contact with poor lower body strength (sticks for thighs) in Davis--(and has no explosiveness offensively)--in both noel and zeller.

So who is Bennett and Beal comparison? I like your breakdown of this, continue please.

[The Consiglieri]

There hasn't been one bad word about Noel. Not one. Until a week before the draft. Hmmm, where I have I seen this before? Suspicious? Perhaps a tad. To not consider him if he's there at #3 is insane to me.

[montestewart]

There hasn't been one bad word about Noel. Not one. Until a week before the draft. Hmmm, where I have I seen this before? Suspicious? Perhaps a tad. To not consider him if he's there at #3 is insane to me.

Where have you seen it before? My memory is bad.

[nuposse04]

Assuming most people who are wiz fans might be skins fans....Why would people have reservations about Noel but not RG III? Why shouldn't the skins just trade him while his value is high...Dude has torn his ACL twice...and he's playing Football mind you. If you're a fan of RG III and are against Noel cause of "health concerns" it just wreaks of hypocrisy to me. If Noel passes a physical no reason to have any bias against him cause of "potential health concerns."

You are kidding right ?

Your are comparing Noel to RG3 ?

In skill no, but injury concerns yes. You think a relatively frail mobile quarterback whose torn his ACL twice is sure bet? My point is that once a doctor clears you, and you're relatively young (noel hasn't even filled out yet and people are already scared **** about his questionable "strength" as if he's the 2nd coming of tyrus thomas ) there really shouldn't much to be worry about...especially from DC fans who think RG III really is black jesus.

[hands11]

Assuming most people who are wiz fans might be skins fans....Why would people have reservations about Noel but not RG III? Why shouldn't the skins just trade him while his value is high...Dude has torn his ACL twice...and he's playing Football mind you. If you're a fan of RG III and are against Noel cause of "health concerns" it just wreaks of hypocrisy to me. If Noel passes a physical no reason to have any bias against him cause of "potential health concerns."

You are kidding right ?

Your are comparing Noel to RG3 ?

In skill no, but injury concerns yes. You think a relatively frail mobile quarterback whose torn his ACL twice is sure bet? My point is that once a doctor clears you, and you're relatively young (noel hasn't even filled out yet and people are already scared **** about his questionable "strength" as if he's the 2nd coming of tyrus thomas ) there really shouldn't much to be worry about...especially from DC fans who think RG III really is black jesus.

???

Have you seen the size of his legs and his entire lower body. Actually, his entire body is ripped and strong. RG3 got hurt because he launches his body into 240 lbs and up people trying to tackle him. The latest injury was because a 300 beast made contact with his knee while he was launching himself the opposite direction.

He is no relatively frail

[hands11]

Noel hurt himself by just landing after he jumped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFsUXzSYh9w

It wasn't him hitting the padding under the basket. Looks like he pulled up lame as soon as he landed.

Do you see all the thick padding strapped all over his legs. Thighs and shins. I think this is as much to do with him not wanting to look like a bean pole as it is for protection.

Do you see how narrow his shoulders are ? He isn't going to be able to pack on much weight.
I have never seen anything officially report that he weighted 220. Only what he say...
He also says he wants to model his game aft KG. Yeah, ok.

I slammed A Davis saying he would get manhandled at center in the NBA for several years. Well he could actually shoot so they moved him to PF where he didn't have to take that beating. You can't do that with Noel. Davis used to be a PG before his growth spurt. He had handles and could shoot.

So your drafting a thinner Birdman top 3 ? McGee ? Its going to take him a while to get strong enough to be out there and he has to add a lot of offense. 3-4 year project min. Until then, just a fragile, athletic, thin, shot blocking/steals bench player. He is a FIAT. Fix it again Tony.

ACLs are harder for Basketball players then Football Players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiQVT321ga0

In here he and the doctor say it wasn't from hitting the padding, it was from him just landing. Maybe eventually he make it in the league, but it isn't going to be right away and my guess is there will be plenty more injuries.

[Wizardspride]

There hasn't been one bad word about Noel. Not one. Until a week before the draft. Hmmm, where I have I seen this before? Suspicious? Perhaps a tad. To not consider him if he's there at #3 is insane to me.

Actually these concerns about Noel were out there during his recruitment as well.

Not so much Noel as his "advisors", who have a very strong influence on him.

[BigA]

Not that I think its a big deal, but zero comments on white bread Len with a sister for gf ?

You calling him out as a cornball Euro?

I do feel for these women basketball players who need to find guys taller than they are or nearly as tall to date.

[montestewart]

Not that I think its a big deal, but zero comments on white bread Len with a sister for gf ?

Race mixing is so five minutes ago.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Alex and his GF are interesting but i hope the media don't exploit. They're really young and seem to be having the time of their lives. In this forum and others I will leave that relationship and Alex alone and not gossip.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-0 ... rk-turgeon

I like Len's personality a lot. I still have to objectively evaluate him and other prospects and not go by feelings alone.

[Dark Faze]

Virtually every NBA player who tears an ACL "just does it by landing", so that argument is kind of wild hands.

And Davis is going to be a center in the NBA as well. He's not going to be a PF long term.

[verbal8]

Reading a couple things, it appears the advisor in question is Chris Driscoll. From the articles he does appear shady, but probably not that unusual in the world of young future NBA prospects and prep schools/NCAA recruiting.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball ... es-tragedy

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/sport ... d=all&_r=0

Apparently Driscoll is connected to one of Noel's agents:

Blalock, who left Iowa State after his junior season, also said Driscoll guided him to an agent he did not want to sign with, the Boston-based Frank Catapano.

Maybe not the best situation, but it doesn't really scream red-flag to me.

There hasn't been one bad word about Noel. Not one. Until a week before the draft. Hmmm, where I have I seen this before? Suspicious? Perhaps a tad. To not consider him if he's there at #3 is insane to me.

Actually these concerns about Noel were out there during his recruitment as well.

Not so much Noel as his "advisors", who have a very strong influence on him.

[GhostsOfGil]

Ignorance is ignoring the red flags that just keep popping up.

You need to look at his, People. because he is blowing off meetings with agents, that unprofessional and disrespectful. If hes that unprofessional now how bad will it get later on.
And we can't really believe those reports because he was listed at over 220 at Kentucky and reports stated that he was never even close to 220 at Kentucky.
And his defense will not be as good at the next level. he will be facing stronger, faster, bigger, and more athletic competition. And his offence might never develop. His frame will not support much more weight. He is not worth the risk. I hope he goes number one so the wiz can be saved from a massive mistake.
it should be
Porter
Len
Bennet or oladipo.


Noel should not even be considered at 3

I think your buying into the Ryen Russillo podcast too much. Everything he said was speculation. He pretty much echoed what you said without any sources. He basically said "HE HEARD THAT..." We can agree to disagree but IMO he is most definitely worth the risk... especially in a draft full of role-players.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

I would think Noel not being available until Christmas would be a bonus! No draft pick contributing = more losses = higher 2014 pick.

[Illuminaire]

Eh. Either Wall has really learned to shoot decently (and the tank train has left the station) or Wall's last two months were a fluke (and a mid-lottery pick ain't savin' this franchise). There are legitimate roster concerns that need to be addressed, and Nene is always good for a 30 game injury stretch, but it's difficult to imagine the Wizards getting a top-10 pick in 2014 unless catastrophe occurs.

[verbal8]

I would think Noel not being available until Christmas would be a bonus! No draft pick contributing = more losses = higher 2014 pick.

Not as much for the Wizards, since they figure to be a play-off team with good health. It probably should be for the Cavs, but they are apparently have strong aspirations to get the play-offs this season. However I think the rest of the top 8 in the draft, I think it is a plus. I think this would limit any slide of Noel if the Wizards passed on him at 3.